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etherial reacted to Dstinct in Wyldside question
You would draw 0 cards and lose a click. The only trigger for the card is the check to see if its the beginning of the turn. It doesn't check how many cards are in your stack to determine if it's triggering.
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etherial reacted to nungunz in retreating after accessing card
Sorry for double post. But another point. The runner CAN'T Jack out whenever they want. You also CAN'T use House of Knives whenever you want.
Download the FAQ ad memorize the timing chart on the last two pages.
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etherial reacted to player1524454 in Sneakdoor Beta Clarification
You can use any number of icebreakers you want during a run (and having to use multiple ones is quite common). The run is considered successful when you pass every piece of ice in that server and don't decide to jack out.
So it's closer to the first option but you do not have to break every subroutine, just the ones that would end the run. Granted, you'll often want to but it's not necessary.
Let's say you want to make the run from your example:
You start it by using Sneakdoor beta. Then you approach the first piece of ice, a barrier, which has a single subroutine reading "End the Run." You can now use the abilities on your barrier breaker to match the strength of that ICE and break the subroutine. If you don't (or can't), the subroutine fires, ending your run. If you do, you pass that piece of ice.
Now you decide whether you want to continue the run. If you do, you approach the second piece of ice.
This one's a sentry, which has a subroutine that reads "Do 3 Net-Damage." You can now use your sentry breaker to break that subrouine (just as you did with the last ice). If you do, everything's fine, if you don't, the subroutine fires and you take 3 Net-Damage, however, you will pass the ice either way, because the subroutine doesn't end the run.
Once again, you can decide whether you want to continue the run or jack out. Since you just passed the last piece of ICE on that server, you basically just decide if you want to access it or not.
Let's assume you want to continue and access it. Now you have made a successful run and get to access HQ.
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etherial reacted to nungunz in Sneakdoor Beta Clarification
The first one. Start a run with Sneakdoor, break the barrie with the barrier breaker, then break the sentry with the sentry breaker. Now you're in HQ!
However be aware that you don't HAVE to break a subroutine if you don't want or need to. A run only ends if you Jack out or trigger an End-the-Run subroutine.
You can always run with no breakers or even just trigger all subroutines in an ice and keep going if there is no ETR.
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etherial reacted to MavericK96 in Replacement tokens
Good idea, though you can get a full, brand new set on eBay for like $5.
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etherial reacted to Locusshifter in An Open Letter to FFG about Card Game DB
Dear Fantasy Flight Games,
I own and have played every LCG you make (save the new Warhammer 40k).
I've been using CardGameDB for the entire time for every LCG, though I must admit that in the last year I shifted over to NetrunnerDB. Now, before you think this has anything to do with the recent C&D, I'll ask you to stop right there, because it doesn't.
Why did I switch? Because I'm an avid Netrunner player; I play competitively, as often as I can. I want to play around with builds as soon as I can.
I'm a player that's more than willing to use the service you provide; all I ask is that it is up to date so that I can. If CGDB is going to be my go-to deck builder it has to have all the cards, and honestly they should be available before anywhere else. It should be the source for the cards, second only to the previews shown on FFG.com. It should be the first place I think of when I want to build a deck simply because the cards are there for me to do so. I always have my new pack in hand and still cannot use CGDB to build with because those new cards are not in the system.
I'd like to close by saying I have a lot of respect for Drew (Darksbane) and the amazing contribution he's made to the LCG community. I've always been a believer in CGDB, and I would love to come back to using it for Netrunner, if only I had access to all the cards.
Here's to a bright future for Card Game DB,
Dave Kudzma
Originally posted: www.boardgamegeek.com/article/16899450#16899450
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etherial reacted to ProfMoriarty in Isabel Mcguire + Oversight AI LOL
Well to be fair, I mean none of the cards are "cards" in the game since there's no FAQ nor rule entry that lists the title of all the cards and states "these are to be considered cards for all game effects that target or involve the use of cards".
So the game is broken, imho, and I suppose I should just toss all these expansion packs that aren't really expansion packs since the FAQ doesn't say they are legal, just the cards in them are, which clearly aren't cards.
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etherial reacted to player1524454 in banned list?
There isn't, since no cards have been banned or restricted, so far.
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etherial reacted to Grimwalker in Isabel Mcguire + Oversight AI LOL
Really don't. We can just go on like we have been where everybody knows how it works and there's no confusion except for somebody necroposting on a thread that's over six months old.
Operations are never installed. Hosting is a condition in which something must be installed in order to have active effects. "Condition Counter" is not a card type. Therefore, not a card. When it leaves play, the text making it a counter ceases, so it goes where trashed cards go.
That is the simplest way I can put it. There's no need to update the FAQ to spell out something that derives directly from the rules and FAQ as printed.
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etherial reacted to Grimwalker in Isabel Mcguire + Oversight AI LOL
It has to be so on the Corp side because Operations are never Installed. Operations are played and then they go away. The only place the Corp can install cards is in a Remote Server, protecting a Server (ice), or in the Root of a Central Server.
The only exceptions to this rule are Oversight AI, Bioroid Efficiency Research, and Currents. Each of them has specifically printed exceptions to the installation rules.
Femme is not an equivalent case because from day one, we had another program that was hosted on ice as a card: Parasite. It's obviously intentional that just because Femme targets a piece of ice, it need not be hosted on it.
And as far as easy vision goes, Femme says nothing about placing any token, that's just the convention that's sprung up to help people remember. I am within my rights to verbally say "That One" when I install it and then it's up to memory and the honor system to remember which ice it was.
The difference why Oversight AI can't say "that one" and then sit off to the side is that Operations simply can't do that because of their card type. Maybe if it were designed today, in the age of Currents, it would be worded differently, and it would live wherever Currents live while they're in play. But when it was designed, the only way for it to stay in play is to say "ok, for the time being, it's not a card, it's just a counter." Once it leaves play, the text treating it as a counter is inactive, and it turns back into a card to go to Archives.
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etherial reacted to CommissarFeesh in Isabel Mcguire + Oversight AI LOL
Confirmed. You can't use Isabel to pick Oversight back up, it's no longer considered a card.
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etherial reacted to CommissarFeesh in Jackson timing
As in all things, consult the timing chart in the FAQ.
You last chance to rez (and use) Jackson is step 4.3 on the timing chart, after the Runner has declared they will continue the run but BEFORE it is declared successful. This means you can rescue cards from Archives after the Runner declares access. It alternatively means you can remove Jackson from the server, and if no cards remain in or protecting the server then it ceases to exists and the run ends (neither successfully or unsuccessfully). Or shuffle three non-Agendas back into R&D to try and reduce Agenda density in R&D.
Edited to add that a server with ICE on it still exists, even after Jackson disappears. In such a case the run would be successful.
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etherial got a reaction from CommissarFeesh in Question about Mother Goddess
You are both right. "AP, Barrier, Bioroid, Code Gate, Destroyer, Grail, Mythic, Observer, Sentry, Tracer" are all examples of subtypes. Compare the text on, say, Deus X and Gingerbread to the text on Battering Ram and Femme Fatale.
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etherial reacted to Downer in Resource value
For runners, the most important resources are Clicks. Next are either Credits and Cards. It depends on the type of deck and match-up.
For corporations, the most important resources are Credits. And the comparative value of Clicks and Cards similarly depend on the situation.
Why?
For Runners, Money does not float (exception being cards like Personal Workshop). You have to spend a Click to use Credits. This is less "you need Clicks to gain/lose Money," and more about threat projection and force multiplication.
When you are looking at Credits, it's value is very mathematical to the Corp, i.e. it costs X amount of Credits to successfully run against Y server. But it's a very limited threat. You know they can run, or you know that they can't, and you know what it will cost them. It's projected value is it's actual value.
On the other hand, if you still have remaining Clicks, that fact creates a higher value than it's actual value. The Corporation has to address what they will do with the remaining Clicks in addition to the primary Click. Is he going to run again? That's going to cost me more resources, if I have to rez Ice on that server as well as the first server. He can make it through, but he would bankrupt himself to do it. Will he be able to play econ cards and run again, or does he have to Click for a Credit?
Now, obviously all those possibilities rely on Cards and Credits, but standing on their own, Cards and Credits are only worth what they are worth, when they are worth it. A Corroder in hand means nothing until you play it. Credits mean nothing until they are used or have an Ice Breaker that utilizes them. And when they are worth something, they are worth *exactly* that.
Clicks, on the other hand can be any of those things and makes those things better. It's why there's the saying "Run early, and run often." It's not *just* because running is really good, it's because running while you still have Clicks makes something that's really good even better.
Consider also how the cheapest end the run Ice are much more valuable than the more expensive end the run ice. Over the course of a game, in terms of credits, the more expensive Ice has a higher value, but cheap Ice is heavily favored. This is because the most important value to Ice is not the credit tax of breaking it, but rather the Click cost in finding and playing the Ice Breaker. If one ice does this cheaper than another ice, then it becomes much more favored regardless of the overall credit balance effect.
For Cards and Credits, it depends on how you are set-up to use Clicks. If your deck is versatile, (like Criminals due to Special Order) you generally favor money. You'll have useful cards more frequently than you'll need useful cards. If your deck is less versatile, (like Anarchs) you'll need cards. Shapers can go either way.
For the Corporation, Credits are most valuable because that's where they project threat and multiply their force. Simply put, a Corporation with a lot of money can do something, from rezzing Ice to playing Sea Source, Scorched Earth, Scorched Earth on the next turn.
Sure, you might have garbage in your hand, but Credits makes any set-up look terrifying, whereas a poor corporation ripe for the taking. And again, Credits for the Runner are mathematical, and a Runner can just look at it, get enough money to do the run, and then do it with no worries, if the Corporation doesn't have money to do anything.
For the Corporation, Cards and Clicks, it's really depends on the situation. While for the Runner drawing Cards or gaining Credits are generally objectively good, the Corporation is under stresses that complicate things. While playing Quality Time or Sure Game are objectively strong (though not always the best play in any given situation), I wouldn't define Biotic Labor or Anonymous Tip as objectively strong. They are only strong given certain situations, and without them are not strong plays.
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etherial reacted to Dunhere in Advice on assets
Throw a cheap piece of ice down in front of your Adonis/Eve just to make them pay more to trash it. If they don't, you never have to res it, no cost to you. If they do, reuse that server for the next one and the cost of trashing your assets over and over is compounded by breaking the ice. I've had 1 popup window protect multiple campaigns in a game.
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etherial got a reaction from Zebadiah in I need advice...
Perhaps this is what you need:
http://www.shutupandsitdown.com/blog/post/test/
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etherial reacted to CommissarFeesh in Tennin Institute - token from the bank or from Corp's credit pool?
Advancement tokens ALWAYS come from the token bank.
When you use the action
[click],1cr : Advance an installed card that can be advanced
you are paying one credit to the bank, then taking an advancement token and placing it on the card. FFG were kind enough to design the 1cr/advancement tokens as double-sided to expedite the process, but that doesn't change what's happening. The Corp player only ever has credits in his/her credit pool, never advancement tokens. So when you 'place an advancement token' for any reason, it comes from the bank, and if nothing tells you to spend a credit, you don't.
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etherial reacted to CommissarFeesh in Lucky Find Influence?
No mistake. All factions must pay the influence cost (as with The Source, Oracle May and Donut Taganes).
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etherial reacted to player1524454 in Same Old Thing & Priority Events
It is. Page 7, Card 54. http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=207&esem=4
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etherial reacted to Monkerton in Same Old Thing & Priority Events
No.
It's in the latest FAQ I believe.
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etherial reacted to Grimwalker in Komainu and Femme
Consensus seems to be Femme bypasses for 0, just like you skip the "When encountered" effects of Data Raven and Tollbooth. Yahtzee.
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etherial reacted to Grimwalker in How many genies can fit into a bottle?
See the flavor text on Leprechaun ;-)
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etherial got a reaction from CommissarFeesh in [W/H]Netrunner promos and playmats
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gencon+netrunner+blackguard+playmat
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etherial got a reaction from Devon Greatwolf in Looking to buy in question
You will eventually find that one of you always wins. You need to play both sides to properly understand the game.
