I mean, can we say confidently that FFG is any different?  Going back at least as far as Wave 7 (~2.5 years) the most recent ships and most recent upgrades had a pretty good tendency to define the meta, while early wave pilots and upgrades were generally seen as useless.  In fact, it was one of the biggest critiques of 1.0 -- that the 'new hotness' seemed to always obsolete the original stuff.

Crippling case of OCD it is then! 
...or mathematics, for that matter.

Don't be dismissive. I love flying 3 Defenders or 3/4 Advanced. So, yes, in order to play these fun squads, I have to shell out for more cardboard than I need. And that is frustrating. And I am sure it is frustrating for others. 
Don't be dismissive of someone who plays different than you. None of this is needed, as it is a luxury item. But don't dismiss complaints about the change over process. I have long said that a change over to a new edition would be more expensive than most of the advocates would admit. Yes, this is about as painless as they could make it, but there is still pain. 
The Resistance/First Order split is also an unexpected change and additional cost. 

Now THAT'S making something up!  

Let's be fair though, the cards are optional extras. It's like someone complaining that their acrylic templates or dials have to be replaced in 2.0. Yeah, if you want them you gotta replace them, but you didn't need to buy them in the first place and you don't need to buy them now.
Anyway, it's really just splitting hairs at this point. The overall point is that FFG=GW (more or less, though I maintain FFG is more expensive) when it comes to changing editions. And we've all long derided GW as being the evil red-headed step-child of the gaming industry. If FFG are as bad as GW... why are we so happy about it?

To answer your question, it cost me $210.00 for 8th edition for core rule book ($50) and 4 army books (40.00 each. still waiting for Space Wolves but I assume it will cost the same). For X-wing 2.0 it will cost over $400.00.  As you can see that's  half the cost from one change in one game in comparison to a change in another game.
I never said that my conversion cost is the same for everyone but I do think most people have the old 3 factions in 1.0.  I'm not trying to knock people who like 2.0 and are happy about it. My only quibble in this thread was, as I said above, people making up things to try and make 40k look more expensive than it actually is. At least for edition changes...in terms of actual hobby cost 40k is far more expensive.

To answer your question, it cost me $210.00 for 8th edition for core rule book ($50) and 4 army books (40.00 each. still waiting for Space Wolves but I assume it will cost the same). For X-wing 2.0 it will cost over $400.00.  As you can see that's  half the cost from one change in one game in comparison to a change in another game.
I never said that my conversion cost is the same for everyone but I do think most people have the old 3 factions in 1.0.  I'm not trying to knock people who like 2.0 and are happy about it. My only quibble in this thread was, as I said above, people making up things to try and make 40k look more expensive than it actually is. At least for edition changes...in terms of actual hobby cost 40k is far more expensive.

That makes sense and those numbers make more sense. I must have taken you out of context or lumped you in with the people converting there entire x-wing collection and comparing it to a single 40k army.

I apologize for that.

Both games have costs, and they are going to be fairly variable per each persons needs. for some people a single conversion kit and the starter will convert their entire collection for others like me 6x total conversion kits and a starter will almost convert my collection.

 

Given there's 7 editions and over 30 years between 1st and 8th edition 40k, no, and it'd be crazy to think so. Going from 7th or even 6th to 8th though, yes, it's pretty reasonable, unless you were heavily into allies in 6th, in which case you'd need a few more books.

This ^.
There are too many people who fail to see that FFG/Asmodee are doing the exact same thing to them that GW does to people who play their games; i.e. milk them for every penny that they're willing* to pay to stay in a game.

Given that FFG drip feed their rules in beside their models, how much would it have cost to get a complete set if you bought all of the expansions they came in?
Yep, you would have got some ok models along with them, but I'm pretty certain that it's quite a bit of money.
Cheers
Baaa
 
* Italicised as no-one forces anyone to buy either FFG/Asmodee games OR GW ones. 

They're not, they're about making the older players buy more models.
If there was no conversion kit, then I'm out. Easy peasy, thanks for all the memories, so long, and thanks for all the fish. I've got plenty of dials and ships and I'll just keep playing 1.0 with my friends. 
Lots of people are ALREADY considering staying with 1.0 despite having access to conversion kits.
If there was no affordable and easy way to bring collections into 2.0, their player base would die overnight. The tournament scene would disappear, players who bought in wouldn't be able to find other groups to join because everyone would be playing something else, and the game would be dead on arrival. Obviously FFG couldn't risk that. They need to keep as many of the current players interested in the game as possible, as well as recruiting new players. So their solution to THEIR problem was the conversion kits. These aren't a fix for our problem, they're for FFG's benefit. As a collective we have much more power over them than they have over us, and not offering an upgrade path to 2.0 is the best way they could have collectively pissed all of us off at once.
So they give us the conversion kits, on which they decided to still make a tidy profit because **** the consumers, to keep us in the game. Because by wave II, there will be new content we want to buy DESPITE already having the conversion kits, and because having a healthy playing community encourages more new players to join. Even if us older players never bought another thing, we remain valuable to FFG because without us the new players have no one to play against. Without us the new players have much less incentive to buy the models in the first place because who would they use them with? But we will buy more product, because 2.0 will be awesome, and there will be awesome new pilots and upgrades to get, and lots of new ships to be released in all the different factions.
But without the conversion kits we won't be buying that new product because it doesn't mesh with our 1.0 X Wing. So from FFGs perspective, the conversion kits were vital. They needed them. But they're not a product being sold at a great price, they know the Star Wars IP is very attractive and attracts die-hard fans who spend hundreds of dollars on lego kits, scale models, props, and other assorted merchandise, and they know they've built a good game in 2.0 which addresses a lot of the concerns many of us have had with X Wing for a long time, so they put the highest price on the box they thought they could, without driving people away.

Wrong. 40k 8th edition rules are actually free to download. You need the core rulebook and your army codex. That's 90% bucks tops unless you get some kind of limited edition.  Listing a bunch of army books over the years just proves my point. When 40k changes editions you just need the core rulebook and your army book to keep playing.
I've been playing Warhammer fantasy battles since the mid 80's and the early Rogue Trader era when it first showed up in either Realms of Chaos or Slaves to Darkness. It's been like 30 years or so since that came out. You never had to buy conversion kits for your models.

I mean, yeah, but no one actually plays every faction or buys every codex. You don't have to exaggerate to properly cover 40k's typical retail update costs. Rulebook comes either as a standalone hardback for ~$80, or you can usually get one in the starter set for a given edition for whatever that goes for, then codices run ~$40-$50. Usually you only need one of these but the last few editions enabling allies and mixing forces means you might need 2-3... But that of course is before the fact that decent size army for any single faction at retail prices is as much as many people have paid for their entire X-wing collections, and that's just to field a single list, and doesn't factor in the time you need to spend building and painting them yourself. And typically rebalancing and the like at an edition change usually means you want to make some changes anyway, so that's more new kits.
tl;dr Claiming it's $1000 for 40k edition updates is completely disingenuous, but the actual cost of updating is probably still going to be more for the typical 40k player than the typical X-wing player.

To summarise my stance, the conversion kits are not a good deal.

The person did say ‘core rulebook and your army's rule book’ so I’m not sure what’s bunk. Warhammer 40,000 is 31 years old, yes it has a lot of books, most of them are related to specific armies.

That was the day the music died for me. I have literally thousands of dollars in Warhammer Fantasy Battles going back to the mid 1980's. All were ruined when GW destroyed the old world. I have almost every Black Library book published for both fantasy and 40k along with official GW lore books. Love the FFG Warhammer RPG. Played that like crazy. I can keep going but yes, that hurt.
When GW turned their back on their loyal customers by literally blowing up the world the game was set in only to come back months later with some crappy IP lawyer approved setting...I was out. I will never play Age of Sigmar. My fantasy armies literally do nothing but collect dust. I tried playing Kings of War from Mantic with them but it wasn't the same.
This change from 1.0 to 2.0 is like comparing a nose bleed to a sucking chest wound to what Warhammer fans had to deal with.

This is just wrong. You can have 10,000 models in your Warhammer army and still only need the core rulebook and your army codex to play in every edition. You never had to "convert" each one of your ships in order to play for any edition.
The OP is correct. I've played Warhammer Fantasy Battles in the mid 1980's and have played a plethora of miniature games since. None of them have been this costly in terms of a simple edition change. That includes games that had radical new rules or options in edition changes. I have, for instance, over 400 individual Space Wolves models for Warhammer 40k. It only cost me a new rulebook and an army book (once it is released for current edition 40k) to make all of those models "converted" for the current edition.

That was the day the music died for me. I have literally thousands of dollars in Warhammer Fantasy Battles going back to the mid 1980's. All were ruined when GW destroyed the old world. I have almost every Black Library book published for both fantasy and 40k along with official GW lore books. Love the FFG Warhammer RPG. Played that like crazy. I can keep going but yes, that hurt.
When GW turned their back on their loyal customers by literally blowing up the world the game was set in only to come back months later with some crappy IP lawyer approved setting...I was out. I will never play Age of Sigmar. My fantasy armies literally do nothing but collect dust. I tried playing Kings of War from Mantic with them but it wasn't the same.
This change from 1.0 to 2.0 is like comparing a nose bleed to a sucking chest wound to what Warhammer fans had to deal with.

Hi 
Ok I get that i’ll have some people moaning about ‘not another whinge about 2.0’ but 
i’m someone who has invested heavily into the game since the start
i’m also someone who will have to upgrade 
here is my collection. I think the old adage “a picture paints a thousand words” is valid 
So why not  show FFG what some of us not happy about 
feel free to add your photos of your collection to show them what we mean 
FBJ


 

That was the day the music died for me. I have literally thousands of dollars in Warhammer Fantasy Battles going back to the mid 1980's. All were ruined when GW destroyed the old world. I have almost every Black Library book published for both fantasy and 40k along with official GW lore books. Love the FFG Warhammer RPG. Played that like crazy. I can keep going but yes, that hurt.
When GW turned their back on their loyal customers by literally blowing up the world the game was set in only to come back months later with some crappy IP lawyer approved setting...I was out. I will never play Age of Sigmar. My fantasy armies literally do nothing but collect dust. I tried playing Kings of War from Mantic with them but it wasn't the same.
This change from 1.0 to 2.0 is like comparing a nose bleed to a sucking chest wound to what Warhammer fans had to deal with.

Yeah, I found I had to really take on the role of an ambassador for Kings of War in order to get games. But two people locally took it up so there's still some competition from time to time. I totally get where you're coming from with the motivation though, it took me ages to want to play again. But sooner or later something bites and you find yourself wanting to finish that unit of Vargheists.

"Just fly the things I think you should. It's unreasonable to want anything different"
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False on both accounts.
I'm going to sit down today and play a game that features Z-95s, the ORD YT1300, Lambdas, And TIE Fighters.
As is usual, you conflate the entirety of the game with those that play 100/6 tournaments.  And at this point, so is FFG.  This is designed to fix the tounament meta, not kitchen table play.
I was fine with 1.0.  I might be more fine with 2.0.  But there is a  $500 bridge I now must cross.
And yes, I can jump in for the pittance of $100.
Remember how you toirnament players used to whine for years about the  $100 "Raider Tax " because you "had to have" Palp to play the game?
Also false, you could have made another list,  just like I can stay at 1.0.
But how quickly sympathy dies when you are getting what you want. 
And yet epistaxis is no fun at all.

Their comparison makes literally no sense. I've played Warhammer Fantasy since the mid 1980's. I've played Rogue Trader, the predecessor to Warhammer 40k and including 40k all the way till now. At no point did Games Workshop force the players to buy conversion kits for their armies. All you ever had to do was buy the new edition's core rulebook and your army's rule book. I mean, it really is that simple. The cost of edition change in 40k is nowhere near as high as 2.0 is.
So these comparisons, which I realize you are not making but just quoting someone else, makes absolutely no sense.

I happily switched over to Kings of War when WHFB died. It's a much better game, but suffers from having a smaller player base.
It's interesting though, that to convert 200+ models from WHFB to KoW only cost me $40...