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  1. One of the many reasons that GRRM is such a master of storytelling, is the fact that he presents no 'good' or 'evil' characters, in the traditional senses. At least not what we're driven to expect from fantasy. Since all modern fantasy is compared to LotR, we always assume there is some faceless, dark evil at the end (eg; Sauron), and one could argue that The Others may represent that in GRRM's world, but they have nowhere near the plot-pull (so far), as Sauron did in LotR. It became very clear to me when Jaime became my favourite character during A Storm of Swords, that there were no 'sides' to choose anymore. You can't just 'root' for the Starks, because you'd be crying constantly, seeing as they're constatly getting hammered so hard. To be frank, I knew somethign was up from the moment I read that Ned Stark was murdered, and then kept on reading, just casually asuming that it wasn't actually him. Then, about twenty pages later, it started to dawn on me that he had in fact died. No characters are all black and white. Contrary to what Melisandre will have you beleive, ("A half-rotten onion is a rotten onion" - which was ironic, her saying that). All the characters are diverse enough to find humanity, and therefore sympathy, within. Here are a few: - Jaime Lannister: Even before he earns our love in ASOS, consider this: He killed Aerys Targaryen. The Mad King. He broke his oath, because ths man he'd sworn to protect with his life murdered innocent after innocent. We as readers were largely blind to this point from the beginning. - Theon Greyjoy: He was taken captive by strangers when he was a young boy. At that point, to him, all they were were the 'bad men' who killed his brothers and defeated his Father. He has no place in Winterfell growing up, and when he finally returns to his Father, Balon shames him as well. He's torn. And he's the lonliest character in the series. - Jon Snow: We're set up to view him as a hero, but Donal Noye points it out very quickly in AGOT; he's an arrogant bully. He doesn't want to go to the Wall and join the watch because it's a noble cause. He wants to go there and join the watch because it's better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven. And there are dozens more, I'm sure. - PC
  2. Rather than speculate, I thought it would be nice if we took a moment to reflect on some of the more compelling, or emotionally gripping parts of the novels. Which moments, -however great or small-, resound with you, and why? Let's not all jump to the Red Wedding, right off the bat. Here are a few of mine: 1. When Tywin renounces Jaime: A huge moment for my favourite Lannister, and it finally hit home that Jaime isn't anywhere near as much Tywin's son as his Father had always hoped. (as opposed to Tyrion). 2. When Jaime returns to Harrenhal to rescue Brienne: "Her name is Brienne, maid of Tarth. You are stil a maiden, arne't you?" "Yes." "Good, I only resuce maidens." - Another huge moment for him. It showed he could, and would change, but not without sacrificing 'who he was' in the sense of his personality. 3. The kiss between Pennny and Tyrion below deck on the ship from Volantis. - I don't have a huge reason for this, I just felt terribly sorry for her the entire time, and I thought this was sweet. I probably have many more, but these are the three that have sprung to memory. What're yours? - PC
  3. Forgive me if this has been brought up already, - I'd like to blame my poor execution of the forum search functions if so-, but I'd like to get everyone's thoughts on Bran Stark's true purpose in the long run of the story. I'm very suss on it all, currently. I'm personally of the opinion that The Lord of Light is in fact the one and only true God, (prophesies coming true, his 'enemy' clearly being real, and his followers seem to be the only people who can invoke any actual magic), and therefore, the God that he opposses, (for whom we do not have a name) must be real also. I think the 'Children' of the forest may be leading Bran down the path to work for the God who opposes The Lord of Light. A few things got me thinking, but the penny dropped for me when Melisandre saw 'the wolf-faced boy' in the flames when she was seeing the enemy's champion. I may not have the wording correctly, because I haven't read it in a while. The children of the forest, -including the guy with tree roots growing out of him whos name escapes me-, keep using all these key words with Bran, talking about how darkness can help him, etc. etc. The other clue is coldhands. And while he hasn't done anything stricktly 'evil' (and I am of the opinion that it's Benjen Stark, too), we can't ignore the fact that he holds all the traits of a White Walker/Wight hybrid. Thats not a good, 'Lord of Light-y' thing at all. I might be completely off the ball here, but what you all thing? - PC
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