weapons of the gods in Black Crusade Posted November 3, 2011 The rule for untrained spray weapons is in the "Using Weapons Untrained" box on page 148. Targets get a +20 to their test to avoid the attack if you're not trained. It specifically uses a flamer as an example. As has been pointed out before, however, the Weapon Training talent is missing a "Flame" option, but has Heavy and Throwing options (perfect for those Heavy Pistol weapons--also, note the difference between Heavy Throwing and Throwing Heavy) so there's clearly some problems with it. Flame is one of the categories in the list for Legion Weapon training. In our game, we're ruling that you need a Weapon Training:Flame talent (or Legion) to keep enemies from getting the bonus.