un-apposed edge battles and bounty

[un-apposed edge battles and bounty]

Thanks for all the responses, I really appreciate it. I wasn't trying to be sneaky or find a loop hole, it's just how the rules seem to state it to me. I would have totally accepted it if he had said it to me. Since the overwhelming majority interpret the rule a different way than I do, and apparently someone official from FFG on top of that, I admit, I was wrong. No biggie, I've been wrong before, and I'm sure I will be again.

- cbeach512

[un-apposed edge battles and bounty]

Well, I guess I'll have to concede that I was wrong to my friend. I'll still say that the rules seem to say otherwise to me, but who am I but one man, trying to make his way in this galaxy! I'll make my argument one last time, using what I'm reading exactly quoted from the rules, in order, to provide clarity.

 

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If the defending player controls no defending units, the attacking player automatically wins the edge battle (although he still has the option to place cards into the edge battle if he so desires).

 

This text is before any of the following text about "Resolving the Edge Battle" therefor when you get to part 4 "Finishing the Edge Battle"...

 

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After resolving fate cards, each player counts the number of Force icons on cards in his edge stack. The player with the higher total wins the edge battle and has the edge for the remainder of the engagement. In the event of a tie, the edge goes to the defending player

 

the winner has already been determined, eliminating the adding and comparing to determine the winner, it has already been determined.

 

The text on the Bounty card reads:

 

Enhance an enemy unit. If you lose an edge battle by 3 or more Force icons, discard this enhancement from play.

 

I'm not losing an edge battle by 3 or more, I'm losing automatically. The winner and loser was determined as soon as I decided not to defend. A key point I think is this...

 

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In the event of a tie, the edge goes to the defending player.

 

An un-apposed edge battle were nether side plays cards, would be a tie when step 4 was reached. I think we all agree that the rule of the automatic win for the attacking player supersedes in this circumstance. So why does it not in the case that I'm talking about?

 

As I said earlier, I'm going to go ahead and admit being wrong to my friend, but I think there should be errata around edge battles especially with some of the newer cards that have come out.

[un-apposed edge battles and bounty]

I was thinking the same thing, but after reading the rules, if you are about to win the edge by default, you can still add cards to the edge stack. Else, you win by default as you said, but it is still 0-0.

 

Bounty requires a certain number of force icons to win by. Winning unopposed doesn't give any bonuses. One can't add rules to what is already written is a good motto I try to go by in games.

 

Thanks for the response theChony. So I take it you see it as I do, I didn't defend, so he would get to damage my objective, but bounty wouldn't get discarded, even if he put 3+ force icon worth of cards into the edge battle. He won automatically, not "by force icons".

[un-apposed edge battles and bounty]

I haven't been unable to find anything directly addressing something that came up in my game tonight. I played bounty on my friends card, and elected to not battle the one unit he attacked with. This sparked a discussion about the text on the card vs the text in the rule book. 

 

The way I read it, you lose the enhancement if you lose an edge battle by 3 or more force icons. Since I didn't engage the attacking unit, I lost the edge battle automatically according to the rule book and not by force icons. Even if he decides to commit cards to the edge battle (usually something you would do to play fate cards that have beneficial effects) I'm not losing by force icons, I'm losing by default. The bounty enhancement doesn't get discarded.

 

I'm putting myself out there a bit... maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed pretty clear to me. I would love to get some insight from the community at large.

 

- cbeach512