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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to thorrk in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    I am going to go further than the OP by saying that not only price snipers are not a problem, they are actually more useful to the community than regular player that stick to one FLGS. 
     
    The more events you attend the more useful you are it is as simple as that, if that guy won multiple prices that's a fair reward for his skills and also for all the miles he traveled to participate to multiple events and I don't see why he should give it to someone else.
     
    If you are too lazy to travel around and participate to multiple events that is fair enough but don't blame other because they do.
     
    On the other hand any unfriendly is toxic regardless if the guy is a local or not, in fact you should be more tolerant regarding non locals because they probably have a different gaming culture than yours, for example if a player come from a very competitive area, he probably has a approach toward the game that is a lot more serious than yours, accept the difference and accept the fact that you decided to play the game for fun if you get smashed.
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to Voronesh in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    This is a thread complaining about butt hurt people because those people complain about random dudes in their "local" tournament.
    While being butt hurt about the rather objective term of prize sniper.
    Where does it end?
    Honestly IMHO if you wanna play local only, then play casual locally. The more people that are involved the more toxic ANYinternet community becomes. Just look at the huge MMOs like WOW, LOL, WOT etc. More people that play competitively, the more "competitive" their behaviour and language becomes.
    We should just be happy that tabletop is a niche hobby or these forum might be really sour. Just reread what the relaunch of warhammer fantasy did to many discussion platforms....
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    XCoconutMonkey06X got a reaction from Vykk Draygo in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    I do find it amusing to read about the people getting butt-hurt over "strangers" coming in and taking their local community for a ride and leaving with the prizes. It just puts a big neon sign over their entitled ****** baggery. I had a similar situation during last year's Star Wars LCG Store Championship. A guy from NoVa came down because IIRC, he didn't win the 1st round bye at his store. After the tournament, he came in first and beat me by 1/2 a game. I didn't really care much because I got in 6 fun games and I learned quite a bit by playing him as he (I think this was also mentioned either above or in another thread) brought a new wrinkle to our meta that I hadn't seen before. I am a better player because of it (and am looking forward to hopefully playing him again this season). 
     
    I like to compare one's local meta to a gene pool. If left stagnant, things start to get inbred. You need those outside players to come in and shake things up to keep the local scene fresh and evolving. 
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    XCoconutMonkey06X got a reaction from Viper Jr. in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    I do find it amusing to read about the people getting butt-hurt over "strangers" coming in and taking their local community for a ride and leaving with the prizes. It just puts a big neon sign over their entitled ****** baggery. I had a similar situation during last year's Star Wars LCG Store Championship. A guy from NoVa came down because IIRC, he didn't win the 1st round bye at his store. After the tournament, he came in first and beat me by 1/2 a game. I didn't really care much because I got in 6 fun games and I learned quite a bit by playing him as he (I think this was also mentioned either above or in another thread) brought a new wrinkle to our meta that I hadn't seen before. I am a better player because of it (and am looking forward to hopefully playing him again this season). 
     
    I like to compare one's local meta to a gene pool. If left stagnant, things start to get inbred. You need those outside players to come in and shake things up to keep the local scene fresh and evolving. 
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    XCoconutMonkey06X got a reaction from VanorDM in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    I do find it amusing to read about the people getting butt-hurt over "strangers" coming in and taking their local community for a ride and leaving with the prizes. It just puts a big neon sign over their entitled ****** baggery. I had a similar situation during last year's Star Wars LCG Store Championship. A guy from NoVa came down because IIRC, he didn't win the 1st round bye at his store. After the tournament, he came in first and beat me by 1/2 a game. I didn't really care much because I got in 6 fun games and I learned quite a bit by playing him as he (I think this was also mentioned either above or in another thread) brought a new wrinkle to our meta that I hadn't seen before. I am a better player because of it (and am looking forward to hopefully playing him again this season). 
     
    I like to compare one's local meta to a gene pool. If left stagnant, things start to get inbred. You need those outside players to come in and shake things up to keep the local scene fresh and evolving. 
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    XCoconutMonkey06X got a reaction from BergerFett in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    I like this but on a case by case basis. In the above example, that is warranted and totally awesome. Shop owner was helping his business by helping a new player. Top marks here. What I don't like are the guaranteed last place prizes because that leads to people gaming the system and purposely tanking to get them. 
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to Lyraeus in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    I am sorry. I dont believe in the "participatrion trophy" ideology that has swept America up. 
     
    Those who want to win, those who strive to win, those who work to win will in the end win. There will be losers and there will be winners. 
     
    I am a ok player, I win more of my games than lose but I have yet to win a tournament. I want to win but I dont sit at home and practice on my own. That is likely an issue right there. I am not willing to put the time and effort into honing my skills on my own. 
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    XCoconutMonkey06X got a reaction from BergerFett in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    lol, like a loser's playoff. Who can suck the most!
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to Squark in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    It would be kind of hilarious to see two players try that at the same time, though.
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to Snipafist in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    Complaints about "prize sniping" seem to come down to "I would like to have minimal competition for me and my buddies to win prerelease prizes."
     
    It's totally normal to want the best chances of winning something cool. I went to a Sullust tournament hoping to win an Imperial-class Star Destroyer. My buddy wanted to win an MC80. Several people I'd never seen before at the store showed up. I did not win an Imperial-class Star Destroyer (I took 3rd and snagged a Raider) and my buddy did not win the MC80 (he took 4th and grabbed the MC30). That's just how it was, no big deal. A lot of us wanted one of the two large ships and only two of us realized those desires (at least that day). So again: you're reacting like a normal human being by wanting the best shot at getting cool stuff for you and your friends. The problem is that enforcing some kind of formal(rules) or informal(shaming) system for ensuring that is both difficult and likely unethical.
     
    So long as the attendees are all good sports and the games you had were good, I don't see the problem. You cannot control participant motivation and acting as gatekeepers to your local meta is both burdensome and also elitist. You don't know the circumstances behind each of the participants (maybe this guy you never saw before in your life can't get regular games in but took a few vacation days off work to attend all the Sullust events he could). You also don't have any control over what happens to the prizes after they are awarded (kept, given away, sold on eBay, exploded on Youtube, thrown into traffic, misplaced at a bus stop, who knows?) and worrying about that will only drive you mad. The prizes become private property and the owners can do with them as they please.
     
    I think the only legitimate complaint is that the allure of prerelease prizes can bring out the worst in otherwise-good people and also bring out the worst people in general, which is another topic. Hopefully your FLGS has some kind of policy for reprimanding or banning disruptive and unpleasant people, and over time the problem should largely resolve itself with the occasional bump along the way.
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    XCoconutMonkey06X got a reaction from Reiryc in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    I will agree again with the above. It is a tournament. Tournament, by the very definition, is supposed to be a competition. You are lucky when there is even a participation prize because they don't have to do that. You want the good stuff? Either win or buy it. 
     
    I, for the record, am not condoning ****** baggery for those who brag about winning though. That falls under poor sportsmanship rather than prize sniping and anyone at a tourney (be it a local or a traveller) can be found guilty of this. 
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to Reiryc in Poorly handled Massing at Sullust   
    Ok, but that's the fault of the TO/store.
    The outside player has zero bearing on this.
    I would be ticked off at the store/to as well. I just see no reason to be upset with the outside player however.
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to ScottieATF in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    I actually find it a fairly amusing contradiction to see people post about players traveling to events solely caring about winning the prizes.
    And the contradiction is those people making those posts are only upset about the situation because they or thiers didn't win the prize in the end. So in reality they were there for the prize as well, yet want to claim some moral high ground because they got beat.
    You want the prize an event is offering? Win the event.
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to Extropia in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    In Drasnightas case, i'd actually hold the TO more to blame than anybody. Tell then to **** off if they dont like the rules, simple as that. Nothing to do with coming from out of town or not.
     
    Otherwise, i think i'm with BergerFett when he says:
    "The entitlement stuff comes up here.  I AM NOT AIMING THIS AT ANYONE.  The fact that people automatically assume that because someone has something and they re-acquire it, that it will get passed down, bugs me.  You didn't earn it.  If I win a tournament, I earned it.  I won my games, I got all the points, Its my prizes to do with whatever I like.  If I want to pass it down to build the community up, fine.  If i want to add it to my collection, fine.  If i want to take it home and give it to my buddy fine.  If i want to take it into the bathroom and wipe my arse with it, fine.  Some people feel that because they don't have something and others already do, that when it is re-acquired by the people who already have it, it should be theirs cuz they showed up."
     
    Its a tournament. That both implicitly and explicitly specifies that it is a competitive event, and therefore you need to win to earn a prize. No win, no prize.
     
    As for handing them down....this might be a dreadful analogy, but i dont see any Regional, national or Worlds players turning up, winning and then saying "You take this trophy, i've already got one". They travel from MILES around to "snipe those prizes". 
     
    Why should it be different at Store level, just because the trophy looks like a Ship and can be used in game?
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to BergerFett in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    while i agree that if your like "LOLOLOL this is my third ISD this weekend" and you get called a d-bag, you earned it.  FFG is also unique in that their prizes are more than 1st-3rd coins or pins and store credit.
     
    i got to tournaments to play and meet new people, and practice for things like store championships and regional.  If that makes me a shark so be it but that's how i want to play this game, at the highest level of competition i am capable of.  Does that mean I should pass up my prize support, not really.  
     
    The entitlement stuff comes up here.  I AM NOT AIMING THIS AT ANYONE.  The fact that people automatically assume that because someone has something and they re-acquire it, that it will get passed down, bugs me.  You didn't earn it.  If I win a tournament, I earned it.  I won my games, I got all the points, Its my prizes to do with whatever I like.  If I want to pass it down to build the community up, fine.  If i want to add it to my collection, fine.  If i want to take it home and give it to my buddy fine.  If i want to take it into the bathroom and wipe my arse with it, fine.  Some people feel that because they don't have something and others already do, that when it is re-acquired by the people who already have it, it should be theirs cuz they showed up.
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to BergerFett in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    I smell entitlement.  seriously how has no one made entitle-mints to give out to people like this.  
     
    The TO should have said that FFG clearly states how prizes will be determined and that there will be no prize for last place.  The store could have given the ever so clever and over used last place prize of New dice......store credit to buy a new game......paint supplies.  
     
    I would talk with the LGS staffer and the store owner about this and share your frustration.  See what they say.  It may be as simple as "we want everyone to be happy".  If it was a group of 6 people id remind them that they probably all drove together and that if someone drops they will have to stand around for sometime with their hands in their pockets.   I am also from the North East and we are a bit more direct when it comes to calling people out.
     
    I would 100% communicate your frustration to the store owner and staffer and remind them that "'murica doesn't deal with terrorists" or something along those lines.  It really sets the precedence that customers can dictate how the event is run when in actuality it needs to be set by the store or things like this happen.
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    XCoconutMonkey06X got a reaction from Reiryc in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    I do find it amusing to read about the people getting butt-hurt over "strangers" coming in and taking their local community for a ride and leaving with the prizes. It just puts a big neon sign over their entitled ****** baggery. I had a similar situation during last year's Star Wars LCG Store Championship. A guy from NoVa came down because IIRC, he didn't win the 1st round bye at his store. After the tournament, he came in first and beat me by 1/2 a game. I didn't really care much because I got in 6 fun games and I learned quite a bit by playing him as he (I think this was also mentioned either above or in another thread) brought a new wrinkle to our meta that I hadn't seen before. I am a better player because of it (and am looking forward to hopefully playing him again this season). 
     
    I like to compare one's local meta to a gene pool. If left stagnant, things start to get inbred. You need those outside players to come in and shake things up to keep the local scene fresh and evolving. 
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    XCoconutMonkey06X got a reaction from BergerFett in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    I do find it amusing to read about the people getting butt-hurt over "strangers" coming in and taking their local community for a ride and leaving with the prizes. It just puts a big neon sign over their entitled ****** baggery. I had a similar situation during last year's Star Wars LCG Store Championship. A guy from NoVa came down because IIRC, he didn't win the 1st round bye at his store. After the tournament, he came in first and beat me by 1/2 a game. I didn't really care much because I got in 6 fun games and I learned quite a bit by playing him as he (I think this was also mentioned either above or in another thread) brought a new wrinkle to our meta that I hadn't seen before. I am a better player because of it (and am looking forward to hopefully playing him again this season). 
     
    I like to compare one's local meta to a gene pool. If left stagnant, things start to get inbred. You need those outside players to come in and shake things up to keep the local scene fresh and evolving. 
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to daveddo in Why the term "Prize Sniping" is toxic to the broader community and needs to stop!   
    Am I the only one who sees people complaining about prize snipers as whiners? Just because they are the regulars at a store that doesn't mean they are entitled to the prize support at an event. The prize support still needs to be won. If they can't defend their home turf when someone from out of town jumps in, they only have themselves to blame. The "Prize Sniper" just played 3 rounds of Armada with your players. That's 6 hours of intel and instruction. Learn from it. Get better at the game. Beat him the next time he comes back. 
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to Reiryc in Poorly handled Massing at Sullust   
    Sounds like there is a "gamers union" out there somewhere with how some people view this prize situation.
    Apparently the ownership of those prizes have already been determined and woe to anyone from outside the gamers Union that dares compete for those prizes!
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to Amanal in Poorly handled Massing at Sullust   
    Socially: How do you expect to have a community if you don't welcome new members? If people are traveling for Sullust perhaps if you were nice they'd travel more often.
     
    Competitiveness: He comes and pays his money. If he wins he has taught you community how to play better. Being the biggest fish in a little pond is not something to aspire to, learn to play better, visit HIS events and grow the two communities. Sitting there and typing "Whaaa we wants our prizes and the nasty big man took them from us" is not a good competitive attitude. If you can be bothered to put in the time and effort to become better, trust me, he will come back and take your prizes next time. Highly competitive players will just smell blood in such an environment
     
    All in I I find the idea that we compete for prizes but some one that wins them is held to be smaller for that is a deplorable attitude both socially and competitively.
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to Alpha17 in to FFG   
    I would love to see a Wave III announcement, but mostly only if it contained E-Wings and TIE Defenders.  Or a Thrawn card....
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to ScottieATF in Poorly handled Massing at Sullust   
    You are acting as if this out of town player somehow conspired with the store in order to get the date changed to drive down attendance so they could swoop in and steal all the prizes. Don't you see how absurd your statement is? Why would the out if town player have any impact on the "chance" the locals had to attend. He had the same chance as you, he just choose to utilize it.
    A store had to change the date last minute, they posted that change, it resulted in low attendance. Somehow you are drawing some absurd conclusions from that chain of events.
    Could the store have provided more notice? Not if they themselves had no notice of the issue requiring the day of the event to change.
    Could the store have just held it a different weekend? Yes and No. FFG has allowed stores to run pre-release events outside of the set dates, but the store could be unaware of that. From thier standpoint they were told that the event was suppose to be run on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday of that specific weekend. They executed thier obligations as they were aware of them.
    Is it "fishy" that the two players that attended the event got all the prizes for that event? No, what else were they suppose to do with them. The ships were prizes for use in the event, the store not giving them out at the event would have been "fishy". That even with low attendance they gave out all of the prizes they were suppose to give out is a good thing. That the players recognized that the store was going to take a loss on the kit, and forked up some extra money to prevent that from happening is also a good thing.
    Look at it this way, if the store just wanted to keep the prizes and sell them or give them to a store employee then why would they announce an event, cancel it, move the event, and hold the event (in which they have no gaureentee that people won't show up to)? When they could get the kit, never announce an event, and just report back a false event to FFG? It isn't as if FFG ever posted a listing on the stores getting kits, so if the store never said they were getting one, you would never have known they did.
    You're upset you couldn't attend an event, but your allowing that to lead you to some just wild conclusions.
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    XCoconutMonkey06X got a reaction from BobaMatt in Poorly handled Massing at Sullust   
    This is my opinion on the matter:
     
    For the FLGS, they should have used Option 1 unless they were unable to obtain someone to fill that role on such short notice. Otherwise, what they did was the best they could. 
     
    As for the "prize sniper", I think that whole outlook is stupid. Just because you and your group frequent a store, that should not discourage others from participating for fear of being labeled a "prize sniper". As said before, the prizes are not supposed to be for leagues (unless I guess they specifically purchase kits for that? I don't know all the rules around that with FFG and LGSs). I think getting hurt because no one in the group was able to attend and a guy who traveled to get there won the loot is pretty petty.
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    XCoconutMonkey06X reacted to Hesekiel in Poorly handled Massing at Sullust   
    Hm, so two different things here. 
     
    1. What the TO has done sure is fishy and even violates the FFG rules as others already have stated (minimum number of players..). The solution however is simple, if you enjoy this LGS overall and just feel bad about this single decision bring it up with the TO, hear his defense (if any) and get the hell over it. People make bad decisions, if that happens rarely you should give them another shot.
    However, if you made other similar experiences or the TO is all too cocky with his explanations you should consider leaving the store. Ordering online is generally the cheaper choice over your local store, so your store should value that you bring your money there instead of amazoning it by preserving a community and good atmosphere. At least in my opinion, that is what justifies the additional price tag. 
     
    2. "Price sniping" in general is just another brand for a foreign competitor. If someone manages to get 1st in a regular (eg: with at least minimum number of players) event he should be able to take the price without any bragging about where he might come from. In this particular event however it feels bad as he never had to prove his competition, so he was either very lucky or expecting that only few other players could reschedule so fast.
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