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  1. This is probably the wrong forum to discuss this but I have just finished reading Atlas Infernal by Rob Sanders, the new BL novel featuring none other than the famed Inquisitor Czevak, he hunted by Ahriman to reveal the location of the Black Library. I wont give away the story, but its nice to see that a Rogue Trader is one of the characters in the story,though a long suffering one whose fortunes are on the rocks (as usual...) However the thing that made me blink was this section: "...He never felt more like a artefact or exibit than when colourfull and unknown and eldritch forms put their tall, tapering helmets and fingertips to the transparent wraithbone and stared inside. He once even saw a human, gun metal grey-haired member of some Illuminati or xeno sect entrusted like the inquisitor had been with the craftworld secrets" p.378 Does this mean that GW and the Ordo Intellectual Property is willing to rehabilitate the Illuminati concept? I though that they killed it off in 40K 3rd edition along with the Sensei knights.... Or is it Rob Saunders being a bit mischievious like those handfull of authors who keep on cryptically inserting easter eggs of Malal in the Canon.. (for those greybeards out there who know what Im talking about)
  2. Perhaps the last three ranks should reflect the nature of the game system. As far as I can make out: Dark Heresy: Low Level characters ferreting out primarily through Cunning and Investigation threats within the Imperium. Rogue Trader: Mid Level Characters travelling beyond the Imperium wielding vast Influence and Assets to satisfy their ambitions. Deathwatch: High Level Characters turning the tide agaisnts the enemys of the Imperium through the precise application of force. Dark Crusade: (Your guess is as good as mine) Mid-High level characters who wish to gain Godhood through infamous deeds. While I havnt played dark heresy for years, the Ascension is broken argument seems to be bandied around quite by those I know that I know have stuck with the system. I think the main complaint is that far from allowing the acolyte to become and Inquisitor or throne agent in his own nature fighting the forces of darkness with Guile and Influence and Investigation in the nature of the game system, its seems to pander to the power gamer contingent that wants the individual inquisitor to go toe to toe with greater daemons in the manner of Rocky IV. As far as the fluff suggests inquisitors are not Gene modified Badasses like SM, they are generally weaker and squish more easily, a broad analogy is that they are the Imperiums FBI/CIA and NOT the its Delta Force. Sure Inquisitors leading vast armies and crusades striding in the battlefield in power armour bolter blazing do exist, but it isnt the modus operandi of the majority of the Inquisition. If they create more ranks for Rogue Trader they should reflect the nature of the game system and not just more talents skills. Which IS a problem because between levelling up or obtaining a new skill and buying a heavy Cruiser or requistioning an army or getting a squad Space Marine terminators to hang out on your ship (just because your influence is that great) I have a sneaking suspicion I think I know which RT players would prefer... Perhaps there should be a new supplement called "Beyond Hecatons Rift" where RT get hold of modified HALO/archeotech devices to give them a fighting chance against the nameless horrors beyond the koronus expanse. I think any extra levels should be reflected by narrative rather than becoming simply more 'badass'
  3. redhead222 said: the ordo herictius i might (oprative word being might) do this just too get a rogue trader house endetted too them so they will do there bidding when the time comes (on that note so might the ordo xeno, for other reson then the ordo her but you get the point) ..... by the by only thing i have ever heard of going on a pertinant crusade would be what was left of a space mariens chapter, and they are worth a **** load more then a rogue trader famely every will be I called it a penitent crusade because I had no over way of describing a Rogue Trader scion doing his penance for the sins of his Dynasty. How many scions had worked for the inquisition since the dyansty warrant was confiscated I have left a mystery, just that the most recent one had finally somehow atoned and was found pure enough to hold the warrant. As for the unlikeliness of the Inquisiton actually pardoning the dynasty being a 'minor miracle' I decribed this when I created the dynasty background. Heres an except from it: A Scholars view: The Tenax dynasty is one that has a chequered history to be sure. As one of the first rogue traders to have braved the maw they would have been accorded a great place in this sector’s history, if it were not for what many whisper befell to Arsene Tenax. One only has to dig deeper into their exploits over the millennia to see that they were cursed from the beginning. And yet its hard to reconcile this darker fate with what they had achieved over the years. And now the Inquisition have declared them absolved of whatever sin that has besmirched their past and the heir to the warrant has been presented on Beorma Prime by the Inquisition. Two questions spring to mind: What exactly happened to Arsene Tenax that incurred the Tenax dynasty the wrath of the Inquisition, and what penance did Jzeff Tenax have to perform to gain the Emperors absolution from the Inquisition who have in living memory never have absolved anyone? Lucio Sophianius High Librarium Adept and Remembrancer on Beorma Prime As for the Inquisitor who the current warrant holder worked for as a catspaw/acolyte, I also wrote her a brief quote about what she thought of the dynasty, though I dont think theres anything that indicates weather she is a Hereticus or Malleus The Inquisitions View: Its a miracle they were not all damned every time the ship entered the warp. Valsh tempted fate in insisting that his Librarium was built on those aft levels which awoke some sort of psychic conduit. One can only speculate its nature, but from our data slates on the dynastys endevours in 219 and 243 M40 there’s is no doubt that the fell architect is involved and that the ship is drawn to its influence. Of the Goldrake and its original identity we are still unclear. The Librarium has now been fully exorcised, and the ship will now return to the Dynasty, the new warrant scion having redeemed his dynasty in the eyes of the Emperor through service to the Inquisition. But I suggest that we keep a close eye is kept on this dynasty. I fear that while the ship is cleansed from within it will continue to attract or dare I say, seek out trouble. It's kind always does. Lady Havesham Sinn Inquisitor
  4. redhead222 said: the ordo herictius i might (oprative word being might) do this just too get a rogue trader house endetted too them so they will do there bidding when the time comes (on that note so might the ordo xeno, for other reson then the ordo her but you get the point) ..... by the by only thing i have ever heard of going on a pertinant crusade would be what was left of a space mariens chapter, and they are worth a **** load more then a rogue trader famely every will be I called it a penitent crusade because I had no over way of describing a Rogue Trader scion doing his penance for the sins of his Dynasty. How many scions had worked for the inquisition since the dyansty warrant was confiscated I have left a mystery, just that the most recent one had finally somehow atoned and was found pure enough to hold the warrant. As for the unlikeliness of the Inquisiton actually pardoning the dynasty being a 'minor miracle' I decribed this when I created the dynasty background. Heres an except from it: A Scholars view: The Tenax dynasty is one that has a chequered history to be sure. As one of the first rogue traders to have braved the maw they would have been accorded a great place in this sector’s history, if it were not for what many whisper befell to Arsene Tenax. One only has to dig deeper into their exploits over the millennia to see that they were cursed from the beginning. And yet its hard to reconcile this darker fate with what they had achieved over the years. And now the Inquisition have declared them absolved of whatever sin that has besmirched their past and the heir to the warrant has been presented on Beorma Prime by the Inquisition. Two questions spring to mind: What exactly happened to Arsene Tenax that incurred the Tenax dynasty the wrath of the Inquisition, and what penance did Jzeff Tenax have to perform to gain the Emperors absolution from the Inquisition who have in living memory never have absolved anyone? Lucio Sophianius High Librarium Adept and Remembrancer on Beorma Prime As for the Inquisitor who the current warrant holder worked for as a catspaw/acolyte, I also wrote her a brief quote about what she thought of the dynasty, though I dont think theres anything that indicates weather she is a Hereticus or Malleus The Inquisitions View: Its a miracle they were not all damned every time the ship entered the warp. Valsh tempted fate in insisting that his Librarium was built on those aft levels which awoke some sort of psychic conduit. One can only speculate its nature, but from our data slates on the dynastys endevours in 219 and 243 M40 there’s is no doubt that the fell architect is involved and that the ship is drawn to its influence. Of the Goldrake and its original identity we are still unclear. The Librarium has now been fully exorcised, and the ship will now return to the Dynasty, the new warrant scion having redeemed his dynasty in the eyes of the Emperor through service to the Inquisition. But I suggest that we keep a close eye is kept on this dynasty. I fear that while the ship is cleansed from within it will continue to attract or dare I say, seek out trouble. It's kind always does. Lady Havesham Sinn Inquisitor
  5. Hi, I have a question regarding the Inquisition and Rogue Traders. It boils down simply to this issue: If a Rogue Trader or their dynasty is suspected of being tainted with psykers or daemonic possession which of the Inquisitorial Ordos is more likely to step in? The Ordo Malleus or the Ordo Hereticus? The reason is that I have to clarify a bit of the dynasty’s background and odds and ends that I have been dropping hints about but have never really deepened. In our background The Dynasty’s senior retainers were put in stasis and its ship was impounded for 400 years because the previous Rogue Trader became a victim od daemonic possession. Since then the hereditary Scions had put their wealth and services for the Inquisition in a penitent crusade in order to win absolution for their sin of witchcraft. The current warrant holder a legitimate heir won absolution for the dynasty. Now the retainers are thawed out of their stasis tuppaware boxes yada yada yada… you get the picture. I usually am the GM but when I get a break and one of the other players decides to have a go I usually play the slightly withdrawn warrant holder who decides once in a while to leave his Librarium and get his hands dirty (apt metaphor for a GM I think). The current warrant holder is not a psyker (he has the Witch Born - Proven to to be Pure Lineage from ITS, which is probably why the inquisition thinks it is safe to give the warrant back) Now I have always hinted when playing that the Rogue Trader being allowed to claim his hereditary title worked in some capacity as Low Level Inquisitorial Acolyte or a catspaw of sorts (Dark Voyage - origin path) but never really developed his murky background, aiming to give the RT a sense of mysterious outsider to the dynasty even as he is its head. Anyways the PC’s have now captured themselves a Powerful Heretek and want to hand him over to the Inquisition - not the Ad mech…there are compelling reasons why they really don’t want to do that, infact even handing the heretek to the inquisition draw too much scrutiny . The PC’s are now asking “had we not better hand the heretek over to the Inquisition branch that the Rogue Trader has best connections with” I’ve stalled for a direct answer because I don’t know myself. Problem is I’m not sure which of the Ordo sounds more feasible. Hereticus because the ancestor was an unbound psyker and the stain may run through the bloodline or the Malleus because of the daemonic possession? I had hinted that because the ship is probably cursed (Wrested from a Space Hulk – Part History) that the dynasty may have ancestral daemonic adversary, another thread I haven’t developed. Ideas?
  6. Therefore 300/400 possible planets in a 'typical' system Sector...I meant sector. Thats one hellava big star!
  7. Mmmm wasn't the Calixsis sector first known as the 'Calixsis expanse' when it was discovered by the Harlock line? From the map in the book it looks about the size of a sector. If the Calixsis was ever 'civilised' I would say it would become a sector in itself, as it seems to be one practical unit. I always assumed that the 200 light year rule was to do with a unit of space that covered most of the Imperial worlds in a area (expanse?...) and that only subsectors were not measured because they were determined more by practical patrol distances, with planets lying between the subsectors and sectors called interzone/frontier worlds However I have read somewhere that in the eastern fringe where stars are less clustered the sectors sizes may be larger, but cant bring to mind where (Matt Farrer novel I think...) Actually in a fit of geekdom I one decided to number crunch some of this stuff on a Imperial scale. The problem is that the canon has changed somewhat. A lot of the old information was in that venerable old game 'Space Fleet', which while it isnt canon was suprsingly consistent in its figures. "The Imperium is approximately 75 thousand light years from edge to edge. A journey of this length would take between 75 and 300 days in warp time, and between 6 years and 40 years real time." (Spacefleet) "The Space Commander has direct command of a portion of the Segmentum's warfleet. A typical command comprises about 50 interstellar ships, although the number would obviously vary depending upon the needs of the sector. Fifty ships is very few when you consider that a typical sector has between 30 and 40 thousand stars forming a cube with sides approximately 200 light years long! (Spacefleet) so... 30000/40000 Stars in a sector "Less than 1% of systems have planets orbiting a solitary star in the manner of ancient Terra" (Battlefleet Gothic) Therefore 300/400 possible planets in a 'typical' system "In the gothic system there are 200 inhabited worlds and tens of thousands of other planets." (Battlefleet Gothic) If we take the Gothic sector as typical/average sector then between 2/3 and 1/2 of systems with planets have a presence of some sort "One million Imperial worlds" (Oft repeated canon...too many references) Which would mean there are 'about 5000' Sectors in the imperium, (though this is a wide guestimate)... Question that has always puzzled me are the relative locations of the Iaxianid and Scarus sectors...
  8. Arag said: Of course there's also the question of finding a good partner for the RT, keeping a bunch of random hookers like the rt from my group is an extreme measure. Standard practice in the Imperial navy" Besides which you will get a better bloodline for the warrant. Nothing dilutes a dynastys blood like marrying into a simpering noble bloodline. The odd ambitious bastard with a quick eye for profit and a quicker gun always livens up a faltering dynasty...
  9. Factor in warp travel too: While this does not extend a Rogue Traders life it does mean he can be around even longer than planet bound nobility, he can easily be around for half a millenia as time runs quicker in the warp (12 days to 1 ...I think). So it quite possible for a minor planetary governor to meet the same Rogue Trader as his grandfather did 500 years before. But there again being a rogue trader is a risky career...by their nature they venture into domains where there is little to no imperial support, so the death rate must be quite high. Also there is the instance of the Lucien Gerrit's ancestor on his deathbed being transferred into a dreadnought suit (now it would be intresting to know how the clan arcadius got one of those) to lead the dynasty for 500 more years In our dynasty one of the past warrant holders interred himself in a life interred iron lung/throne in the observation dome so he could continue gazing at the stars. There is a similar notion in the novel shadowpoint , where a terribly wounded/maimed imperial officer commands his ship from a protective/womb shell. Which brings us to another question. How to Rogue Traders keep their heir and progeny? Keeping all of them in the fleet increases the chance of the dynasty being wiped out. Keeping them off the ships means that by the time the rogue trader snuffs it, his great (great?) grandson(s) is in line to take over the warrant. Cue intercine family vendettas to claim the warrant. (see the novel - Legacy by Matt Farrer)
  10. Bilateralrope said: Captain Harlock said: Bilateralrope said: Captain Harlock said: Problem is stil doesnt explain how it affects the warp channels in the area (I dont have lure of the expanse) It will affect the warp in whichever way suits your story best. This is the warp we are talking about. Your avatar looks very similar to a nurgling....are you an emissary of grandfather nurgle sent to tempt this GM from the path of righteousness? Read my signature. (Unhooking force rod from belt) Amid the Weeping and the Woe, Accursed Daemon Thou Remain And Rot; I Know Thee Filthy as Thou Art I Know! Te ezorcizio in nomine Imperatoris!
  11. Bilateralrope said: Captain Harlock said: Problem is stil doesnt explain how it affects the warp channels in the area (I dont have lure of the expanse) It will affect the warp in whichever way suits your story best. This is the warp we are talking about. Your avatar looks very similar to a nurgling....are you an emissary of grandfather nurgle sent to tempt this GM from the path of righteousness?
  12. bobh said: into a million pieces (survives as summoned Avatars). The fluff in an Eldar codex hints that the infinity circuit is an attempt to create a new eldar god (Ynnead). Isha could be trying to communicate that a particularly nasty Nurgle creation is about to be unleashed and try to get a cure out to help before it destroys everything in the area. I doubt khaine would be active at all - he seems, in fluff, a mindless thing called up only for battle now. Ynnead is not yet born. Cegorach fled into the webway and is a good candidate if you want to lead them on a merry chase into the webway. 6. Stopping Nurgle from plaguing the planet into a cesspit is its own reward. Access to the webway. Access to Isha, perhaps she whispers to those 'worthy' of hearing her warnings and cures through the shrine/portal. Actually I hadn't thought of the Isha/Nurgle connection. Fits in with the Genator and the current background This Genator has created Zombies. Nurgle Has Zombies. Genator is intrestinted in zombies and servitors. Shrine of the eldar godess Isha. Theres is something in the shrine about the capturing of Isha by Nurgle (thus Shrine must have been still operational post fall) Cue Eldar and Chaos third partys intrested in the place. Problem is stil doesnt explain how it affects the warp channels in the area (I dont have lure of the expanse)
  13. Our group's campaign has taken another turn for more complications... Its my turn to GM and I would like some ideas. At the end of the last scene the dynasty helped a mining planet rid itself of a Hereteck Genator and his zombified servants. However the planets authorities have revealed that something very old has been unearthed by the Hereteck, an Eldar Shrine. Moreover the Navigator using his warp eye senses that the turbulence in this star cluster and the instability of the warp channels is directly related to this shrine. Interrogating the genator has so far proved futile. This is where we have got to. A couple of questions: 1) Do Eldar really have shrines upon other worlds, if so what are they like..are there any novels that detail such fluff? 2) Would any of the Eldar Gods cause turbulence in the warp? Id so which ones (Im guessing Kournous, Khaine or Cergorach...) 3) Are there any reasons turbulence would occur? Would it be a pre-fall or post-fall Eldar Shrine? 4) Which third partys would be intrested in the shrine? 5) Why would a Heretek genator have worked to unearth such a shrine? 5) Moreover what could a RT gain from such a place?
  14. I second the necromunda minatures, especially the Van Saar for the tech/explorer bodysuit look and the Orlock for the shady criminal look. However look across the GW range for ideas too. I convorted my explorator from an Empire Alchemist wizard and the Seneshal is the female vampire in the baroque outfit from the mordheim range. I think that what many people want is the pirate/privateer/navy look, and the GW range has few of those, though some models with the militaristic look like the Mordian iron guard with the braids could be converted with a little effort.
  15. Could it be squats? It might be squa ... STUMPF STUMPF ++ This reply has been deleted and sealed on the orders of the Inquisition. Ordo Minoris IP ++
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