Bladehate said: These are all small changes mechanically, but applying them to the basic Rak'gol Marauder template is an easy way to modify your foes in an easily understood and probably not too overpowered fashion. If your players are overpowering your foes its up to you to adjust for that accordingly... The problem is FFG front load their games with a lot of info. Now that info may not be, case by case, especially complicated, but compelling the GM to add more to fix a problem that shouldn't exist, just makes it worse. For some it's also a daunting prospect, having to work out ahead of time what needs fixing and apply a suitable fix isn't something everyone finds easy. We buy these books precisely because we are happy to pay FFG to do that job for us; they get our money and we get a nice well produced (at least in principle) product. It really is about time FFG took notice and started to respond to these. I've seen complaints like these all over the internet when people talk of the 40k games and I just do not understand how intelligent professionals think it acceptable for these errors to slip past all the time.

Mistakes like these crop up in FFG's writing all the time. Do they just not playtest their books? FFS, they charge enough for them. And before the fanboys descend, I accept that mistakes can and do get made, but when you set out to write a more detailed, complex even, system, you must accept that comes with increased demand for testing. The more mechanical data you ascribe to things like guns/armour, for example, the more the players - the paying customers - need that info to be absolutely bang on. Having enemies that can't hurt you is patently ridiculous.

numb3rc said: I could write volumes on my problems with Ascension. I'd settle for a link since I have no idea what problems these might be. I've never read Ascension.

Errant said: Personally, I rather hope it doesn't. Ascension is just silly. Black Crusade's Space Marines advance at the same rate as the other heretics. Why is it silly?

How compatible is Daemon Hunters sourcebook with DW?

Should have been made freely available as soon as it was written, not saved for some pointless event. I presume FFG actually want people to buy BC.

I find it absolutely incredible that this hasn't been put on the website to download. Once again FFG's decision making is just extraordinary. Whatever logic they abide by isn't of any sense to me.

So this is basically like the Rogue Isles from City of Heroes Would love to see a map preview. I would hope pc's can go to and from the Vortex.

Christ almighty FFG, this is just embarassing!

jhaelen said: You could sell the cards you don't need or you could use/create fan-based scenarios using them. I beg to differ: It's actually brilliant. It shows that FFG knows very well what pricepoint is appropriate and what they can and cannot sell to their customers.Personally, I don't see any need to buy additional core sets, but judging by the number of posts I'Ve seen of customers buying two or even three core sets, there's been plenty who didn't mind the price or the 'useless' cards. And if you were right, and the game stops being considered 'hot', why, then you're in luck: It should then be easy to get the cards you want for an excellent price. All it requires is patience. I could sell the cards to who, exactly? Who is interested in buying a completely redundant set of cards they can't use alone and will already own if they play the game? There's no other market. That's the whole point. I have no interest in creating 'fan based' scenarios and why would I need extra encounter cards to do it - I already own them! Clearly you don't understand any of this. The need to buy the core sets is obvious: there aren't enough copies of all the player cards in the box. You need those cards to play the game properly. If you're happy randomly building silly decks and not being able to play the game properly as opposed to drawing any old random rubbish, whether it fits a strategy or is even playable (such as including 3 cost cards paid for by one hero in your deck only) that's fine. But don't pretend that's playing the game properly. if it was FFG wouldn't have included multiples at all. This isn't Poker or Rummy, it's CCG deckbuilding which is entirely different. That's how the game is meant to be played, and that's why they tell you the rules for deckbuilding. How you can defend a half baked marketing choice beggars belief. You simply don't understand at all what I'm saying to you. Either try and listen or don't respond because anything else is just insulting. No one has complained about the price of the core set: it's the distribution of cards. The people that buy 3x core set do so because they are happy to spend the extra money. That's their choice. It's also, again, irrelevant. The point is not whether or not some people can. It's whether they should have to. FFG could very easily rectify this mistake but they don't. That tells me they don't care about my money. That's fine, I don't have to support their game. Constantly defending this lazy nonsense is demeaning.

Mestrahd said: So, what IS your point? That FFG is a business and would like to make some money? That they realize not every player is a completionist or professional and one core set might appeal to that crowd? If you were able to just buy one of every set and have every card you need, you could count the number of players exactly by the units sold. If that number were low, the game would die from lack of income. If i begrudged FFG money i wouldn't have brought the core set at all. That's a fatuous argument. All i'm suggesting is they release the cards needed to fill out proper multiples in a friendlier way than having to pay for an entire core set again. What do i do with all the cards I won't need to own again - encounter cards, quest cards etc? Throw them away? It's not as if there is any other way of using them.Lots of people may be buying the game, but whether they will be impressed enough to stay with the game is another matter entirely. I have no problem with anyone else spending their money as they please. That, again, isn't the point. The point is: the only way to get the extra carsd you need (and you will need them if you are going to play the game properly) is to buy an entirely new core set, warts and all. I think that is poor game design. It's inefficient and inelegant and it shows that FFG don't hold their fans in very high regard because the peopel most likely to get into the game are the ones most in need of the multiples. If you are happy with just tinking with the core set as is then you are more likely not going to invest in this game in the long run. That's the flaw in FFG's thinking.

Mestrahd said: I had absolutely no qualms about buying 3 sets. For $120 I got a playset of every card and extras of the rest. For $120 in ANY CCG, you could get maybe 2 booster boxes which only guarantees you about 48 rares, of which they are not all desirable. And you certainly would not get a playset of anything guaranteed. I do agree that the monthly packs should be 3x, but even if they weren't it's not the end of the world. The pricing on LCG's is so much better than CCGs it's not even funny. The pricing is better, but that's not really the point is it.

Toqtamish said: I am sure you will not have a hard time selling it. Its sold out WORLDWIDE so its a hot item right now. Not that hot; noone's taken any interest and the price online has plummeted. Whether LCG's are cheaper than old style CCG's is not really the point. I have no problem with the core set being priced as it is. What i have a problem with is the dreadful card distribution. It's unplayable and being thus compelled to buy another core set (which would have half the cards wasted straight off the bat) I find objectionable.

jhaelen said: signoftheserpent said: This is just an excuse. FFG could very easily have provided 3x every card. The only alternative- the only way to get the necessary multiples - is to buy an entire core set...again. This won't even give you 3x certain cards either, which is inexcusable. The amount of redudant product, wasted materials and dimishing returns is costly. It's a very very poor way to treat paying customers impressed enough with the game that want to play it properly. It's not an excuse, it's a well-reasoned business decision. LotR is a strong license and the game sold very well because of it. I'd take every bet that the majority of buyers are NOT playing it the way you consider to be 'properly'. The game has sufficient appeal to be played casually without doing any kind of deckbuilding. Players that are attracted to the game because of the deckbuilding aspect, e.g. former (or current) MtG players will have no problem buying multiple core sets. Like it or not: You're in the minority. You can't assume that people drawn to deckbuilding will have no problem spending another £30 on what is, in real terms, half the content (since the rest is wasted).I think it deeply sad that FFG couldn't go the extra mile to make it easier to get those cards - from players that are thus comitted to the game. Not catering to people that are committed to your product in this way is poor business sense. This isn't a masterstroek from FFG's bean counters, it's short sightedness. And for that reason I've been trying to sell my core set. I don't have the money to spare for a second set and as a result I'm deeply disappointed.

Toqtamish said: signoftheserpent said: The core set has some of the worst distribution I've ever seen, and for no good reason. Expecting people to buy multiple core sets is pure avarice and has cost them my respect. I don't want the game anymore and I rather regret my purchase for this reason. The gameplay is fine, although not really suitable solo. FFG really really should release the core set differently and not treat customers this way. FFG is not mistreating anyone. All core sets for all LCGs are released this way. They release them for card variety not quantity. It will not change. YOU DON'T NEED 3 OF EVERY CARD TO PLAY. I cannot say that enough. I think people are too use to the ccgs that you need playsets of to build a deck. You don't need that in any of the LCGs and even less in LotR since it is cooperative game. (I changed your post to fix your spelling errors to make it more clear) This is just an excuse. FFG could very easily have provided 3x every card. The only alternative- the only way to get the necessary multiples - is to buy an entire core set...again. This won't even give you 3x certain cards either, which is inexcusable. The amount of redudant product, wasted materials and dimishing returns is costly. It's a very very poor way to treat paying customers impressed enough with the game that want to play it properly.Yes you can 'play' the game as is. But you are not playing it properly: all you are doing is drawing cards from a random heap and hoping things go your way. That might appeal to you, fine, but it's not playing the game properly. That means deckbuilding, constructing decks from what they do give you - some cards are including in some multiple (just nowhere near enough). So FFG have rewarded people that want to get into the game at it's fullest level (the people more likely to buy the adventure packs) by making them buy at least 2 core sets. That's disgusting. You can't even play single sphere decks legally as there aren't even 50 cards per sphere. Instead you have to fudge it. So you aren't even playing the game at all. It's a ridiculous way to design a product.

Assuming Gandalf goes into the discard pile and isn't removed from play, which is what I mean, you would need a way to get him into hand. This card + Gandalf is rather broken IMO given Gandalf's considerable cost.

Gandalf is discarded from play. It cannot be right to have him come back with this card.

The core set has some of the worst distribution i've ever seen, and for no good reason. Expecting peopel to buy multiple core sets is pure avarice and has cost them my respect. I don't want the game anymore and I rather regret my purchase for this reason. The gameplay is fine, although no treally suitable solo. FFG really really should release the core set differently and not treat customers this way.

Puzzle said: I too only have one core set right now, but I don't see it as a huge disadvantage. There are certainly cards that it would be nice to have more of, but it is not necessary to make a competitive deck. I do. The lack of proper distribution kills the game stone dead for me. I want the options to play properly and to get them i have to buy a second core set. This is cannot afford, even if I could that would involve a huge waste of cards. This to me is unacceptable. Sure you can play the game with the core set. But not properly. You can't properly explore deckbuidling options. The player card pool is too limited.

So much for that then.

At the risk of gettig moderatd i cant see any PM function here. I'm based in the UK and would only trade/deal with people in the UK.

Dwnhmcntryboy said: I will see what I can do about getting a WH:I core and maybe we could work out a trade later. Funds are tight right now but maybe I can call in a favor or 2. That's very nice, but please do not buy a WHI set just to trade (after all you could buy a lotr set for the same price). You might not live anywhere near me which would make shipping impossible.

My biggest problem with the game is the lack of cards in the core set. I agree with those that think x3 of ever card should have been the decision. For that reason my interest has been seriously knocked. On top of that, irrespective of easy or difficult, I just don't see the game evolving much. The adventure packs will not provide enough player material (if it's needed beyond certain spirit cards) to change the decks and will comprise mostly of new encounter factions and quests. Of course such things are important and my introduce new rules (though constantly introducing new rules would be a bad idea) to spice things up. But for me, while the game is produced beautifully and does play fine, I'm rather regretting buying it over Warhammer Invasion. Shame I can't get my money back really.

Presumably the setting for BC. So where is it? Is it near Calixis? Jericho? Koronus? I'm guessing it's styled on the Eye of Terror. Sounds interesting.

Anyone know anywhere in the UK that sells the cards that aren't x3 in the core set as reasonably priced singles (as opposed to buying another core set, which I can't afford)? Thanks.