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    loki_tbc got a reaction from Sarone in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    @Caimheul1313 Sure, but shouldn't the idea be to keep as much of the player base as you can? Last time I checked, avoidable customer turnover is awful for a business. 
    Here you have at least 2 people who are upset enough to tell FFG (via their forums) why they are disinclined to continue purchasing product and you have some folks here who are happy to watch an already middling community dwindle further on the hope that maybe new SW IP Entertainment means more people will start playing. 
    Also, if these folks do start playing, wouldn't you rather they start with easy to assemble models rather than these? 
    Not that I expect responses other than 'bye' from the douchebags who dwell on the internet, but FFG likes money so I would hope they would be interested in knowing the reasons why I am taking your advice and voting with my wallet. 
    Cheers.
     
     
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    loki_tbc got a reaction from Sarone in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    I think you are failing to consider that dexterity levels vary and I can only speak for myself, but the frustration is that Legion and FFG established the easy to build precedent with IA and Legion Rebel/Imperial and this set is a real departure from that.
    Edit: Holy god... I hadn't even tried the B1 heads yet! You have got to be kidding me...  
     
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    loki_tbc got a reaction from HirumaShigure in Dumb questions...   
    No dumb questions! We are all new at this!
     
    So yes, allies just take it on the chin. Excess damage only splashes over if the enemy has overkill.
     
    Also yes, only your basic attack causes exhaust (unless the card you are playing says otherwise) and other hero attack cards can be used even when exhausted (again, provided they don't have exhaust as part of the play requirement)
     
    Enjoy!
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    loki_tbc reacted to Khudzlin in Rules question. When do you ready after defending?   
    And Recovery. In short, all the actions you don't need to spend a card on.
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    loki_tbc reacted to jonboyjon1990 in Rules question. When do you ready after defending?   
    + the standard Attack, Thwart, and Defend actions. 
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    loki_tbc got a reaction from Derrault in Rules question. When do you ready after defending?   
    Big thing to remember, actions by default do not require exhausting. It is only those that have exhaust as part of the text that force the exhaust or can not be used while exhausted.
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    loki_tbc reacted to Derrault in Rules question. When do you ready after defending?   
    Not anything that requires exhaustion (absent another ready effect), no.
    Also, if someone draws your obligation, you can only get rid of it from the game if you can exhaust once you’ve flipped to alter-ego. 
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    loki_tbc got a reaction from Kwatchi in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    @Caimheul1313 Sure, but shouldn't the idea be to keep as much of the player base as you can? Last time I checked, avoidable customer turnover is awful for a business. 
    Here you have at least 2 people who are upset enough to tell FFG (via their forums) why they are disinclined to continue purchasing product and you have some folks here who are happy to watch an already middling community dwindle further on the hope that maybe new SW IP Entertainment means more people will start playing. 
    Also, if these folks do start playing, wouldn't you rather they start with easy to assemble models rather than these? 
    Not that I expect responses other than 'bye' from the douchebags who dwell on the internet, but FFG likes money so I would hope they would be interested in knowing the reasons why I am taking your advice and voting with my wallet. 
    Cheers.
     
     
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    loki_tbc reacted to Darth Sanguis in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    I can't speak for him, but I used the same thing. For me, gel super glue has always been easier to use. It seemed to me the superglue set instantly too. I'm not sure if plastic glue is the same, but I was able to set parts just by placing them in the glue. They'd bind almost instantly. Really, the last factor was the ability to reset mistakes without warping the plastic. (From what I understand plastic glue forms a weld by melting the parts together?)
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    loki_tbc got a reaction from Quadro28 in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    So with the help of loctite ultracontrol gel and plenty of bourbon, I have managed to assemble most of the b1's. 
    I apologize for the frustration guys, but I don't think I've ever been that pissed off at an assembly process before and, like i said, this is with 30 years of mini assembly experience.  (and the loss of dexterity over that time compared to some of the kids here probably didn't make my experience any easier - at lest in that regard I can't *****, I am not the target demographic anymore)
    For those of you having a hard time, there is some amazing advice up there, especially the Simonsays3 guide. It really helped.
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    loki_tbc got a reaction from FSD in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    So with the help of loctite ultracontrol gel and plenty of bourbon, I have managed to assemble most of the b1's. 
    I apologize for the frustration guys, but I don't think I've ever been that pissed off at an assembly process before and, like i said, this is with 30 years of mini assembly experience.  (and the loss of dexterity over that time compared to some of the kids here probably didn't make my experience any easier - at lest in that regard I can't *****, I am not the target demographic anymore)
    For those of you having a hard time, there is some amazing advice up there, especially the Simonsays3 guide. It really helped.
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    loki_tbc reacted to Draycos in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    I am glad you made it through! Now enjoy the spoils of your efforts!
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    loki_tbc reacted to Simonsays3 in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    Not sure if this will help anyone, but I had the most success splitting the sprues into similar sets and constructing from there. It let me not only keep better track of the various droid poses, but also let me do a number of the same pieces in a row so I could fumble on the first one and then have a good method sorted out for the other 4-8.

    I was using super glue (cuz I'm crazy) but I was also using a toothpick for delicate application and it solved a lot of the "gluing my fingers together" issues and increased accuracy. In order, I'd do the following:
    1. Manually remove all but the gun arms and torsos, using the tried and true friction method
    2. Cut out the top and bottom of the torso, taking care with the fragile neck
    3. Cut out the bottom sprue frame on the gun arms (carefully, as the gun is also fragile) and then frictioning out the whole piece
    4. I'd sort the pieces into piles for each droids and lay it out roughly in order (head pieces by head, torso by torso, arms by arms, etc)
    5. Glue the head together, then glue the arm pieces together
    6. Remove the sprues from the torso (again taking care with the neck) and gluing the backpack (or antenna) to the torso.
    7. Glue the legs to the torso and then glue the legs to base
    8. Glue the head on each
    9. Dab glue on the contact points for the arms and then fit the glued arm/gun combo. Since I'm using super glue, the arms were quite resilient to bending and provided nice friction until the glue set
    10. Glue any remaining bits (extra guns usually)

    I could do a sprue in about 10-15 minutes with this method and again, since I was doing the same thing over and over again, I got faster with each sprue. While I had already assembled one set of b1s from the core previously, the other two only took me about 2 hours all said and done. 

    Droidekas are a whole separate thing, but once you're in there assembling, it starting to make logical sense and there weren't any crazy fragile contact points like you get on some models.

    Feel free to PM with additional questions!
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    loki_tbc reacted to GreatMazinkaiser in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    B1s are skeletons; skeletons are fiddly minis to assemble. There is no way to make skeletons not fiddly to assemble. I say this as someone who has assembled a number of Tomb Kings miniatures.
    The gun arms make it worse. If you want to play CIS you either deal with that reality or you wait for B2s to come out.
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    loki_tbc got a reaction from Empire On Ice in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    I think you are failing to consider that dexterity levels vary and I can only speak for myself, but the frustration is that Legion and FFG established the easy to build precedent with IA and Legion Rebel/Imperial and this set is a real departure from that.
    Edit: Holy god... I hadn't even tried the B1 heads yet! You have got to be kidding me...  
     
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    loki_tbc got a reaction from Empire On Ice in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    I picked up the first of my clone war cores today and I am absolutely dreading (and considering canceling) core #2.  
    "But Loki, 2 cores is the most cost effective way to start the new factions" you say...and I agree!
    But the new model assembly is simply horrendous. 
    In the first set, figs were easy to assemble and the skill required was a 2/10.  This set, the droideka droids were a 7/10. 
    Small, fiddly, mediocre connection points coupled with unclear sprue cut points and overly (dare I say unnecessarily) complex instructions made for a lousy few hours of frustration. 
    When you put figs on sprues, you need an assembly booklet. GW figured this out. The instructions in the book are a wall of text with a diagram that is not easy to follow. 
    This is 30 years of modeling experience speaking. 
    I can not recommend this set to beginners and in fact don't think I'd recommend it to journeymen either! 
    Unless they go back to the old style, my days of new legion purchases may very well be at an end.
     
     
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    loki_tbc got a reaction from Atromix in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    Aaaaaaaand if this is true, I am out.  I wonder what's up with my XWing community...
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    loki_tbc got a reaction from Tirion in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    Aaaaaaaand if this is true, I am out.  I wonder what's up with my XWing community...
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    loki_tbc reacted to NebulonB in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    Oh how I absolutely dislike assembling those battle droids. clearly my mistake that I never checked before buying that they dont come as all the other minis so far. droidekas were a pain, but at least parts fitted more or less. with the droids, thats not remotely the case. 
     
    undoubtedly countless people manage well, and people will say thats an essential part of the hobby. For me, the diagrams are so bad, they dont show anything on how the angles really should look like. Making the tiny head two parts, is that really a technical necessity? For variation? As the op said, cutting points are really unclear, as well.
    I will not buy anymore minis like these, neither my patience nor skill level nor motivation to get over this particular assembly step are up to the task. Previous post links a video, hope it is helpful in some way.
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    loki_tbc reacted to Caimheul1313 in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    To be fair, it just means the possibility of more customization, lots of companies produce single pose sprues these days such as GW, and not just for named characters either. We may only get as much customization as we have with some of the soft plastics, a spare head/arm. 
    The "problem" with complicated sprues is that everything else about Legion is designed to be welcoming to beginners, but with the droids the sprue attachment points at the wrist are easy to miss if you don't know what you are looking for, and in general the droids are fidly. With my fat fingers I'll likely have to pull out the tweezers, not the end of the world, but not the most beginner friendly models, unlike the less detailed soft plastics.
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    loki_tbc reacted to Caimheul1313 in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    @NebulonB I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but FFG have stated they are moving the entire product line over to hard plastic sprues, including eventually switching over existing kits.
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    loki_tbc reacted to Caimheul1313 in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    For reference, the more helpful PDF is found on the Stat Wars Legion page, Under "player resources."
    Or this link: https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/63/0d/630d154c-7391-499c-b46e-0275f5798021/clonewarscoresetassembly.pdf
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    loki_tbc reacted to toffolone in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    There are a couple of problems with those sprues.
    Cutting point are not clear, true for the left arms only.
    You should just cut the most obvious points (ie shoulder), then gently turn around the arm. This should evidentiate the cutting poinu on the wrist.
    Instructions sre not clear at all on how to assemble correclty the arms. I guess most peopke did not catch the wrist/hand connection on the gun.
    Ffg issued an additional pdf which is way more explicative.
    General grievious also has some problems because they don t explain how the different option are mutually exclusives (e.g. the collar and cape)
    Droidekas are a mess. The pdf helps a lot here. But sincerely speaking, after you have built one, you don't have a problem building the second.
    The b1s head is another problem. They had to make it in two pieces, due to casting issues. They simply choosed a wrong way to split it. I guess a longitudinal cut would have worked better. Probably the did it that way in order to mask the joint line. 
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    loki_tbc got a reaction from Atromix in Flesh Mitts (aka the pain of the new sprues)   
    I picked up the first of my clone war cores today and I am absolutely dreading (and considering canceling) core #2.  
    "But Loki, 2 cores is the most cost effective way to start the new factions" you say...and I agree!
    But the new model assembly is simply horrendous. 
    In the first set, figs were easy to assemble and the skill required was a 2/10.  This set, the droideka droids were a 7/10. 
    Small, fiddly, mediocre connection points coupled with unclear sprue cut points and overly (dare I say unnecessarily) complex instructions made for a lousy few hours of frustration. 
    When you put figs on sprues, you need an assembly booklet. GW figured this out. The instructions in the book are a wall of text with a diagram that is not easy to follow. 
    This is 30 years of modeling experience speaking. 
    I can not recommend this set to beginners and in fact don't think I'd recommend it to journeymen either! 
    Unless they go back to the old style, my days of new legion purchases may very well be at an end.
     
     
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    loki_tbc reacted to JReim in Carolina Krayts is the best X-Wing podcast   
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