So my deck with three biomatrix backups can be played without anyone trying to loophole it?  Nice.

What's wrong with using normal tokens anyway?
And with regards to RAI vs RAW, shouldn't we always play games as the designers intended?  Feels like a jerk move to try and find the smallest loopholes that the designers may have missed.

Why are we even arguing at this point.  If he wants to use spindowns, how does that affect us?  At most, he'll be refused entry to tournaments, and that doesn't affect us at all.

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Two questions then:
What would you do if you have your spindown to count your aember, and then a passerby bumps the table, the spindown rolls, and nobody remembers how many aember you had? What would you do if you go to a tournament and the marshal refuses to allow you to bring the spindowns and refuses to listen to your arguments?

Why are we even arguing at this point.  If he wants to use spindowns, how does that affect us?  At most, he'll be refused entry to tournaments, and that doesn't affect us at all.

Because using spindowns are too risky because the chance of it shifting and changing values because of a simple bump, accidental or otherwise, is high.  Tokens never change value when bumped, unless you have your pile of tokens right next to your ID card, which shouldn't be the case.
We're not trying to stop you from having fun, we're trying to prevent issues from happening in the future.

Because using spindowns are too risky because the chance of it shifting and changing values because of a simple bump, accidental or otherwise, is high.  Tokens never change value when bumped, unless you have your pile of tokens right next to your ID card, which shouldn't be the case.
We're not trying to stop you from having fun, we're trying to prevent issues from happening in the future.

What about the counters in Too Many Bones?  They're still called dice even though you never roll them.

Why are we even arguing at this point.  If he wants to use spindowns, how does that affect us?  At most, he'll be refused entry to tournaments, and that doesn't affect us at all.

Don't you feel you're misunderstanding the reason why they don't allow dice as counters?  Specially if the venue is crowded, it's highly likely for the table to be bumped by nearby people, if not intentionally by a cheater.  Such a bump can move and modify the value of a die used as a counter, normal or spindown.  If players forget the original value, the game wouldn't be able to continue.  This is the danger of using dice as counters.

Can I just point out the game Too Many Bones use dice as counters often.  Examples include Boomer's Boom Counter and Tantrum's RAGE!.  These counter dice are d6s, but never rolled and are usually spin downs.  The game still calls them dice, because of their shape.

What about the counters in Too Many Bones?  They're still called dice even though you never roll them.

Two questions then:
What would you do if you have your spindown to count your aember, and then a passerby bumps the table, the spindown rolls, and nobody remembers how many aember you had? What would you do if you go to a tournament and the marshal refuses to allow you to bring the spindowns and refuses to listen to your arguments?

What's wrong with using normal tokens anyway?
And with regards to RAI vs RAW, shouldn't we always play games as the designers intended?  Feels like a jerk move to try and find the smallest loopholes that the designers may have missed.

What's wrong with using normal tokens anyway?
And with regards to RAI vs RAW, shouldn't we always play games as the designers intended?  Feels like a jerk move to try and find the smallest loopholes that the designers may have missed.

Can I just point out the game Too Many Bones use dice as counters often.  Examples include Boomer's Boom Counter and Tantrum's RAGE!.  These counter dice are d6s, but never rolled and are usually spin downs.  The game still calls them dice, because of their shape.

Can I just point out the game Too Many Bones use dice as counters often.  Examples include Boomer's Boom Counter and Tantrum's RAGE!.  These counter dice are d6s, but never rolled and are usually spin downs.  The game still calls them dice, because of their shape.

If you really wanted a game with deck building, why not play Legend of the Five Rings?  You shouldn't force every card game to have deck building.  Sometimes trying new things can have good results too, instead of making "yet another TCG".

If you really wanted a game with deck building, why not play Legend of the Five Rings?  You shouldn't force every card game to have deck building.  Sometimes trying new things can have good results too, instead of making "yet another TCG".

If you really wanted a game with deck building, why not play Legend of the Five Rings?  You shouldn't force every card game to have deck building.  Sometimes trying new things can have good results too, instead of making "yet another TCG".

I love the meta-less gameplay.
I can play my own deck without anyone calling it trash.
I can play in tournaments confident I won't have to face the same cookie cutter net-deck that 90% of the players brought.
I can get fully built decks without having to search for $50 ultra rare cards.

I love the meta-less gameplay.
I can play my own deck without anyone calling it trash.
I can play in tournaments confident I won't have to face the same cookie cutter net-deck that 90% of the players brought.
I can get fully built decks without having to search for $50 ultra rare cards.

I love the meta-less gameplay.
I can play my own deck without anyone calling it trash.
I can play in tournaments confident I won't have to face the same cookie cutter net-deck that 90% of the players brought.
I can get fully built decks without having to search for $50 ultra rare cards.

The thread in the KeyForge forum got removed.  Do you think this one will get removed too?  FFG finally clearing out the troll bait.