causeitwasfunny said: Tarot Mage said: Brine said: It's tile and scenario based. This thing is made to be compatible with expansions. ...and who knows? It might be possible to create your own scenarios, yes? There's no doubt in my mind that you could create your own scenarios, but keep in mind that the clue cards are very plot based. I've been considering scenarios I'd like to do, but I'm going to wait until I've gone through the scenarios in the game. I'll probably end up making my own clue cards. Presumably you would have to put all the cards in sleeves so that you couldn't tell where the home-made ones are...?

Periculum said: JerusalemJones said: Upon further digestion of the announcement, one of the things I like is that all the new Final Five and Personal Goal cards are Not a Cylon cards. Sure, the Final Five are, by definition, cylons, but most of them still sided with the humans after they learned the truth. Yet many humans treated them witht he same hatred as they had towards the cylons. I think having the Examination trigger will help capture this same flavor, and can add more tension to the game. In our games, the first opportunity a player has to look at a loyalty card, they always check the Admiral or President (80% of the time it's the Admiral). Now that decision can have repurcussions. How about thoughts on who the new characters will be. I think we'll see both Anders and Athena, as they are on the cover. I'd also like to see Gaeta and Romo, but with Romo being an npc that might not be the case. Except Baltar also has an NPC token, so I think there might be npcs they only appear if no one is playing the character. Someone even brought up the idea of a Billy/Tory character, where you start out as Billy and either he "becomes" Tory later, or if he is executed you have to pick Tory as your new character (if available). It would be cool, but somehow I don't expect that to be the case. I'm guessing Anders as a pilot, Gaeta as military, perhaps D'eanna or boomer as a cylon leader and Cally as a support. Of course, Tori Foster is a shoe in, I think. I would imagine that they would try to sneak in all the final five with this expansion. There's an ad for the expansion on BGG that shows Cally as one of the NPC characters.

el Igore said: Fingolfin80 said: Still I can't figure out wich kind of game is this. Is it a dungeon crawler? O something more like Android? Description is quite criptic to me. I am a great fan of Arkham Horror, and I'm really interested in this game, but all I can understand at the moment is that graphics looks great. And thats not a news, FFG games are always graphically cured. I would describe it as adventure game. The investigators explore the mansion, search for clues, find new items, solve puzzles, fight the occasional monster and generally try to hinder the keeper at whichever evil plan he is up to. So yes - closer to Android than Descent.

Holy Outlaw said: JerusalemJones said: Yes, but a cylon Admiral (or untrusting admiral) can move it away from him to someone else. I would also think that this is a title that should pass hands if the CAG is sent to the Brig, as it's hard to let your pilots know what you want them to do when you're incommunicado. First, let me say that I really, really, really like the idea of the CAG, especially for the Movement ability. In my home games, pilots are too much like the ugly stepchildren that fall to the players unlucky enough to pick 3rd or 6th (or whatever spot there's no Political or Military leader available). The CAG seems like a nice consolation prize for the pilot and a path to relevance for him/her. It's strong for humans and cylons and thematically appropriate. Thank you for posting it. That said, I have to concur with Jerusalem on the stipulations quoted aboveboth for the mechanics and thematics. Mechanics: Command is rarely enough used in my games that I'm reticent about any change that might make it even slightly less attractive to the fleet. The increased potential that the CAG won't do what you want (because he or you are a cylon) does this. If the brig can't remove the CAG title, there is no way short of execution to remove the CAG title. This makes it far "stickier" than either President or Admiral, which are each removed by Quorum cards, Crisis cards, and a location (Administration and Brig, respectively). I readily admit this last one is silly and shouldn't matter. BUT, I suspect some players will find the action less fun if the CAG gets to move the little minis and roll the dice, even if trust is not an issue. Thematics: I remember when Saul Tigh had martial law going during season 2. Roslin was able to preside from the brig (in limited capacity) by relaying messages to the media and the quorum through her chief-of-staff (Billy at the time) and other loyalists. On the other hand, Apollo was unable to do his job from the brig. He did retain his title, but it was a very strange arrangement by which he was released all day to function as CAGthey showed him running briefings, devising strategy, andof courseplotting Roslin's escape. Then they sent him back to the brig to sleep. The indication, it seems to me, is that the job of the CAG can't be done from the brig. It's not enough that they remember how you trained them. You need to devise the strategy, run the briefing, and (usually) be out there in a viper yourself marshaling them. Anyway, those are my two cents as it currently stands. I think I'll definitely give CAG a try in some iteration and I'll be able to speak more intelligently about it once we get a few games under our belt. This discussion is helpful. Thanks! The only part I'm going to respond to here is point 2; I'm not sure if you noticed, but the new Admiral card has the ability to move the CAG title. If *both* your Admiral and your CAG are Cylons, then it's your Admiral you need to brig, not the CAG. For the rest, please find the thread on BGG and post there. This thread is derailed enough!

JerusalemJones said: Yes, but a cylon Admiral (or untrusting admiral) can move it away from him to someone else. I would also think that this is a title that should pass hands if the CAG is sent to the Brig, as it's hard to let your pilots know what you want them to do when you're incommunicado. Wow, your game is just full of Cylons, isn't it? The thematic idea behind the first ability of the CAG title is that the CAG trained the pilots in maneuvers, so their movements are based on his wishes - being in or out of the brig is irrelevant. There's a whole thread on BGG discussing the creation of that CAG title, if you want to hunt it out. If I remember correctly, it was decided that the CAG should retain his title when sent to the brig simply because that's how it was in the show.

Well, the base game itself isn't even out yet, which would probably explain why there are no expansions for it. No doubt they will come in time, though.

JerusalemJones said: Bleached Lizard's CAG Title reads: When unmanned Vipers are activated, you decide how they move and attack. During your Receive Skills Step, you may draw one piloting card instead of one other card from your skill set. Movement: Activate one unmanned Viper. This CAG title is pretty neat, and I can see it being very useful, especailly being able to trade off your Movement to activate an unmanned viper. The ability to activate the unmanned vipers when they are activated by another player though can seem somewhat disruptive. In many games I've used Command to move vipers where I feel they should go, and essentailly I'm giving this action to the CAG player. This shouldn't be a big deal (until the time when the CAG player prepares to reveal as a cylon, which is fine as that's the point of the game to use their unvealed status to the best of their ability) but for someone like Apollo, his OPG should be immune to the CAG ability, otherwise it severely weakens his ability. First, if he is human and the CAG is cylon, the vipers will all move away from the civies and raiders. And is Apollo is a cylon, he can't move all the vipers away himself before revealing. Anyway, if/when we start playing around with this, I'm going to rule that Apollo OPG is immune to the CAG. Well, if Apollo hasn't done anything wrong, then he should *be* the CAG. He's highest in line of succession.

God, no. This is one of the most complicated games I own (probably only Twilight Imperium 3 and Through the Ages are comparable). If your gaming group doesn't like complicated games, then steer well clear.

causeitwasfunny said: At first, I was mostly excited to play as keeper, but now seeing how the clues work, I would love to play as an investigator. I'm totally down with anything that tests my rational thinking skills in this manner. Did I miss something? How do the clues work?

klarlack said: another idea: what about a CAG-card- like admiral or präsident card, in addition to the other ideas i mentioned. could work like...when cag is piloting a viper/raptor and moves up to 2 unmanned vipers/raptors can follow him. the cag would be - of course- the highest rank with a piloting skill (helo, apollo, starbuck, boomer, kat) Your wish has already been granted: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/48385/cag-title-variant

Magic Pink said: Steve-O said: I don't think anyone around here would be surprised at the idea of FFG making expansions for one of their games. I agree it will depend on sales, but I think at least one expansion is a relatively safe bet. Safe bet? Remember Android and Middle Earth Quest? Middle-Earth Quest seemed to be designed in such a way that it was never intended to be expanded. It was stated from the beginning that Android was going to be "light on expansions". (Plus, it was terrible).

midian said: Here I am, again, with a question about a Pegasus Quorum card: CONSULT THE ORACLE. This card says: "Action: Look at the bottom card of any 1 deck. Then look at all cards in the Destiny deck and discard 2 of them....." Ok my question is: do I have to look at the bottom card af all the decks in the game? Including skill card decks, crisis card deck and destination deck? It says to look at the bottom card of *one* deck (as you typed yourself), so it's just the one deck you look at. If your question is actually "CAN I look at the bottom of ANY of the decks in the game?", then yes - any deck is valid (even the loyalty deck, pre-sleeper phase, as far as I'm aware).

I certainly have agenda templates in InDesign format. Not sure if loyalty cards are the same, but I'm sure they're not much different. Let me know your e-mail address and I'll send them over.

It sounds exactly like the Cylon Leader agendas. What's the difference?

Sekreth said: Is it true that a deluxe edition is in the works? I think I read this somewhere in BGG. If this were true, it would be like a pseudo-expansion. Not that I've heard, and I hear pretty much everything about this game.

It's written on the Shipyard location.

Caine said: Hi, the Rules state, you count per Link and not per Piece. So if you got two Links from one part of the Conspiracy to the center you gain the corresponding bonus two times. At least that is how we do it. This is correct, but to clarify (as the meaning of "link" is not entirely clear here): for each route you can trace from a different side of the centre conspiracy tile to an organisation at the edge of the board, you gain the bonus multiplier (so x1 for one route, x2 for two routes, etc, to a maximum of four (as there are only four sides of the centre conspiracy tile a route can lead from)).

The link to The Director's Cut you've provided there actually links to an old version. If you check on BGG, there is now a v.3 available.

Saying "we are very happy with the success..." means it sold well. If it sold well, there will be expansions. There will continue to be expansions until it stops selling well. I would take an educated guess and say that BSG is one of FFG's biggest-selling games (considering it is their highest or second-highest ranked game on BGG, depending how you look at things), so they will continue to make expansions for it for as long as they can make money out of it. EDIT: Unless he's lying, but I doubt it.

napoleonWilson said: I wrote to the press department making a request that Fantasy Flight please make an announcement as to whether there will be another expansion or not, so the BSG gaming community would know to bother waiting or start making "home-grown" expansions.... this is their reply.... While I understand your anxiousness regarding whether or not there will b another BSG expansion, it is generally FFG's policy to not announce products before they are ready to go to the printer (after proofs have been approved by us). This allows for the inevitable production delays that take place. While I cannot reveal whether or not a new expansion is in the works, I can tell you that we are very happy with the success of the original game and the "Pegasus" expansion, and we're grateful to the game's fans for making them such a success. Yours, Jeremy Stomberg Operations Associate not sure what to make of this...but I still wish they would just tell us if it's dead or not. Its not really announcing a product, just a respectful tip of the hat to the community. It's his coded way of saying "yes, there is another expansion in the works". "Although I cannot revel whether there is a new expansion... the base game and first expansion have been a success"... therefore what is the logical conclusion?

For example, something like... http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/618376/bleached_lizard?size=large

It means take a dropship token.

Hein99 said: And maybe alternate rules for a style of play that does have an unknown but definitive murderer (guilty suspect) at the start of the game. Now when I say this I want to stress that I don't think this would be better than what is currently in place but just something that will had more variety to the game. Because the way it is now is really excellent. I can't even begin to imaine how this could be done with the current components... but I'm just throwing it out there for some talented designers to mull over You called? http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/53229/android-the-directors-cut-v3-0

Gunjuro said: Fizzletop said: Agreed, as it stands now the replay value of Android isnt that great- adding a mini x-pac with additional/alternate personal story-lines for each investigator, new cases and perhaps even a new investigator or two would really help with that. Brilliant idea about the new investigators. Maybe a cyborg, part man/part machine? This is already covered (Rachel).

Many people have said that they prefer a Pandemic-like shuffle for their attack cards, so nothing wrong there. The Cylon leader agendas are for the most part absolutely terrible. Most of them are well out of control of the Cylon leader's power, others are ridiculously easy, and the remaining ones completely unbalance the game. If you want to try alternate agendas, download the "Razor Cut" file you can see in my signature and check out the "Guess What's Coming to Dinner" variant contained within. It offers 10 new alternate agendas for Cylon leaders to use (though you may want to get a few more games under your belt first).