Last post: Kabegami HURT: Ursula. An explorer. No one has the elephant gun? Who goofed? HURT: Charlie. Politicians are so inscrutable. Sudden retirement might be good for him. HEAL: Wilson. Always happy to be Wilson. Agnes Baker, the Waitress 10 Akachi Onyele, the Shaman 8 Ashcan Pete, the Drifter 10 Bob Jenkins, the Salesman 4 Carolyn Fern, the Psychologist 8 Charlie Kane, the Politician 4 Darrell Simmons, the Photographer 8 Dexter Drake, the Magician 10 Diana Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist 9 Finn Edwards, the Bootlegger 8 Hank Samson, the Farmhand 7 Harvey Walters, the Professor 9 Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic 9 Jenny Barnes, the Dilettante 7 Joe Diamond, the Private Eye 10 Leo Anderson, the Expedition Leader 9 Lola Hayes, the Actress 8 Luke Robinson, the Dreamer 8 Mandy Thompson, the Researcher 4 Marie Lambeau, the Entertainer 9 Mark Harrigan, the Soldier 9 Michael McGlen, the Gangster 8 Minh Thi Phan, the Secretary 4 Monterey Jack, the Archeologist 9 Norman Withers, the Astronomer 9 Rex Murphy, the Reporter 7 Rita Young, the Athlete 9 Roland Banks, the Fed 9 Silas Marsh, the Sailor 9 Sister Mary, the Nun 10 Skids O'Toole, the Ex-Convict 9 Tommy Muldoon, the Rookie Cop 9 Tony Morgan, the Bounty Hunter 8 Trish Scarborough, the Spy 9 Ursula Downs, the Explorer 8 Wendy Adams, the Urchin 8 William Yorick, the Gravedigger 8 Wilson Richards, the Handyman 10 Zoey Samaras, the Chef 8 THE DEVOURED 40th Lily Chen the Martial Artist 41st Jim Culver, the Musician 42nd Patrice Hathaway, the Violinist 43rd George Barnaby, the Lawyer 44th Kate Winthrop, the Scientist 45th Gloria Goldberg, the Author 46th Amanda Sharpe, the Student 47th Daisy Walker, the Librarian 48th Vincent Lee, the Doctor

avec said: Nope. If he defaults, the only consequence is that he can't take out a second loan. And your game score is one less for a defaulted or unpaid loan. The way the loan card reads, he can just not pay. He doesn't have to be out of money. Really really cheesy. Or maybe it's the intention (I kind of think it is). He's a bootlegger after all. "Upkeep: Roll a die. On a 1-3, pay $1 or discard all of your items along with this card..."

Last post: Kabegami Hurt: Jim Too weak Hurt: Mandy Too Strong Heal: Rita Just right Agnes Baker, the Waitress 10 Akachi Onyele, the Shaman 8 Ashcan Pete, the Drifter 10 Bob Jenkins, the Salesman 8 Carolyn Fern, the Psychologist 8 Charlie Kane, the Politician 6 Darrell Simmons, the Photographer 8 Dexter Drake, the Magician 8 Diana Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist 10 Finn Edwards, the Bootlegger 8 Hank Samson, the Farmhand 7 Harvey Walters, the Professor 10 Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic 9 Jenny Barnes, the Dilettante 7 Jim Culver, the Musician 1 Joe Diamond, the Private Eye 10 Leo Anderson, the Expedition Leader 9 Lily Chen, the Martial Artist 4 Lola Hayes, the Actress 9 Luke Robinson, the Dreamer 9 Mandy Thompson, the Researcher 4 Marie Lambeau, the Entertainer 10 Mark Harrigan, the Soldier 9 Michael McGlen, the Gangster 8 Minh Thi Phan, the Secretary 6 Monterey Jack, the Archeologist 9 Norman Withers, the Astronomer 9 Rex Murphy, the Reporter 7 Rita Young, the Athlete 10 Roland Banks, the Fed 9 Silas Marsh, the Sailor 9 Sister Mary, the Nun 8 Skids O'Toole, the Ex-Convict 9 Tommy Muldoon, the Rookie Cop 9 Tony Morgan, the Bounty Hunter 10 Trish Scarborough, the Spy 9 Ursula Downs, the Explorer 9 Wendy Adams, the Urchin 7 William Yorick, the Gravedigger 8 Wilson Richards, the Handyman 10 Zoey Samaras, the Chef 9 THE DEVOURED 42nd Patrice Hathaway, the Violinist 43rd George Barnaby, the Lawyer 44th Kate Winthrop, the Scientist 45th Gloria Goldberg, the Author 46th Amanda Sharpe, the Student 47th Daisy Walker, the Librarian 48th Vincent Lee, the Doctor

seang said: Right, so he needs to repay the note. Or not

Last post: Kabegami HURT Patrice Too Strong Hurt Jim: Too weak HEAL: Luke: Very Lovecraftian Agnes Baker, the Waitress 10 Akachi Onyele, the Shaman 8 Ashcan Pete, the Drifter 10 Bob Jenkins, the Salesman 8 Carolyn Fern, the Psychologist 9 Charlie Kane, the Politician 6 Darrell Simmons, the Photographer 8 Dexter Drake, the Magician 9 Diana Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist 10 Finn Edwards, the Bootlegger 8 Hank Samson, the Farmhand 8 Harvey Walters, the Professor 10 Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic 9 Jenny Barnes, the Dilettante 8 Jim Culver, the Musician 2 Joe Diamond, the Private Eye 10 Leo Anderson, the Expedition Leader 9 Lily Chen, the Martial Artist 3 Lola Hayes, the Actress 9 Luke Robinson, the Dreamer 9 Mandy Thompson, the Researcher 7 Marie Lambeau, the Entertainer 10 Mark Harrigan, the Soldier 9 Michael McGlen, the Gangster 10 Minh Thi Phan, the Secretary 6 Monterey Jack, the Archeologist 9 Norman Withers, the Astronomer 10 Patrice Hathaway, the Violinist 2 Rex Murphy, the Reporter 8 Rita Young, the Athlete 8 Roland Banks, the Fed 9 Silas Marsh, the Sailor 9 Sister Mary, the Nun 9 Skids O'Toole, the Ex-Convict 9 Tommy Muldoon, the Rookie Cop 9 Tony Morgan, the Bounty Hunter 9 Trish Scarborough, the Spy 9 Ursula Downs, the Explorer 9 Wendy Adams, the Urchin 9 William Yorick, the Gravedigger 9 Wilson Richards, the Handyman 10 Zoey Samaras, the Chef 9 THE DEVOURED 43rd George Barnaby, the Lawyer 44th Kate Winthrop, the Scientist 45th Gloria Goldberg, the Author 46th Amanda Sharpe, the Student 47th Daisy Walker, the Librarian 48th Vincent Lee, the Doctor

Hurt Patrice Hurt Kate Heal Rita Agnes Baker, the Waitress 10 Akachi Onyele, the Shaman 8 Ashcan Pete, the Drifter 9 Bob Jenkins, the Salesman 8 Carolyn Fern, the Psychologist 9 Charlie Kane, the Politician 7 Darrell Simmons, the Photographer 9 Dexter Drake, the Magician 9 Diana Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist 10 Finn Edwards, the Bootlegger 10 George Barnaby, the Lawyer 2 Hank Samson, the Farmhand 8 Harvey Walters, the Professor 10 Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic 9 Jenny Barnes, the Dilettante 7 Jim Culver, the Musician 6 Joe Diamond, the Private Eye 10 Kate Winthrop, the Scientist 0 Leo Anderson, the Expedition Leader 9 Lily Chen, the Martial Artist 2 Lola Hayes, the Actress 9 Luke Robinson, the Dreamer 9 Mandy Thompson, the Researcher 10 Marie Lambeau, the Entertainer 10 Mark Harrigan, the Soldier 9 Michael McGlen, the Gangster 10 Minh Thi Phan, the Secretary 7 Monterey Jack, the Archeologist 8 Norman Withers, the Astronomer 10 Patrice Hathaway, the Violinist 4 Rex Murphy, the Reporter 9 Rita Young, the Athlete 9 Roland Banks, the Fed 9 Silas Marsh, the Sailor 9 Sister Mary, the Nun 10 Skids O'Toole, the Ex-Convict 10 Tommy Muldoon, the Rookie Cop 9 Tony Morgan, the Bounty Hunter 10 Trish Scarborough, the Spy 10 Ursula Downs, the Explorer 9 Wendy Adams, the Urchin 10 William Yorick, the Gravedigger 10 Wilson Richards, the Handyman 10 Zoey Samaras, the Chef 9 THE DEVOURED 44th Kate Winthrop 45th Gloria Goldberg, the Author 46th Amanda Sharpe, the Student 47th Daisy Walker, the Librarian 48th Vincent Lee, the Doctor Last Post: Flamethrower

Now that Vincent is "officially" the least popular investigator. The first one voted off the island. I'd like to get some suggestions on how to make him more popular. The simpler the better, but don't let that stop you. Also, keep in mind his personal story (or write a new one) if that's how you fix him.

Last Post - Avec Hurt Jim- Too frustrating Hurt Patrice - Broken, I suspect Heal Wilson - I like his look and he's fun to play. Hurt Gray letters. Can someone change this? Agnes Baker, the Waitress 10 Akachi Onyele, the Shaman 8 Ashcan Pete, the Drifter 9 Bob Jenkins, the Salesman 10 Carolyn Fern, the Psychologist 9 Charlie Kane, the Politician 8 Darrell Simmons, the Photographer 10 Dexter Drake, the Magician 9 Diana Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist 10 Finn Edwards, the Bootlegger 10 George Barnaby, the Lawyer 6 Gloria Goldberg, the Author 2 Hank Samson, the Farmhand 9 Harvey Walters, the Professor 10 Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic 10 Jenny Barnes, the Dilettante 8 Jim Culver, the Musician 6 Joe Diamond, the Private Eye 10 Kate Winthrop, the Scientist 6 Leo Anderson, the Expedition Leader 10 Lily Chen, the Martial Artist 4 Lola Hayes, the Actress 9 Luke Robinson, the Dreamer 6 Mandy Thompson, the Researcher 10 Marie Lambeau, the Entertainer 10 Mark Harrigan, the Soldier 7 Michael McGlen, the Gangster 10 Minh Thi Phan, the Secretary 9 Monterey Jack, the Archeologist 9 Norman Withers, the Astronomer 10 Patrice Hathaway, the Violinist 4 Rex Murphy, the Reporter 9 Rita Young, the Athlete 9 Roland Banks, the Fed 9 Silas Marsh, the Sailor 10 Sister Mary, the Nun 10 Skids O'Toole, the Ex-Convict 10 Tommy Muldoon, the Rookie Cop 9 Tony Morgan, the Bounty Hunter 10 Trish Scarborough, the Spy 10 Ursula Downs, the Explorer 9 Wendy Adams, the Urchin 10 William Yorick, the Gravedigger 10 Wilson Richards, the Handyman 10 Zoey Samaras, the Chef 10 THE DEVOURED 46th Amanda Sharpe, the Student 47th Daisy Walker, the Librarian 48th Vincent Lee, the Doctor

Heal: Lily. She's fun to play Hurt: Patrice - Too powerful Hurt: Jim: He just doesn't have it. Agnes Baker, the Waitress 10 Akachi Onyele, the Shaman 8 Amanda Sharpe, the Student 2 Ashcan Pete, the Drifter 10 Bob Jenkins, the Salesman 10 Carolyn Fern, the Psychologist 10 Charlie Kane, the Politician 8 Darrell Simmons, the Photographer 10 Dexter Drake, the Magician 10 Diana Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist 10 Finn Edwards, the Bootlegger 10 George Barnaby, the Lawyer 7 Gloria Goldberg, the Author 4 Hank Samson, the Farmhand 10 Harvey Walters, the Professor 9 Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic 9 Jenny Barnes, the Dilettante 9 Jim Culver, the Musician 8 Joe Diamond, the Private Eye 10 Kate Winthrop, the Scientist 8 Leo Anderson, the Expedition Leader 10 Lily Chen, the Martial Artist 7 Lola Hayes, the Actress 9 Luke Robinson, the Dreamer 8 Mandy Thompson, the Researcher 10 Marie Lambeau, the Entertainer 10 Mark Harrigan, the Soldier 7 Michael McGlen, the Gangster 10 Minh Thi Phan, the Secretary 10 Monterey Jack, the Archeologist 8 Norman Withers, the Astronomer 9 Patrice Hathaway, the Violinist 3 Rex Murphy, the Reporter 10 Rita Young, the Athlete 9 Roland Banks, the Fed 9 Silas Marsh, the Sailor 10 Sister Mary, the Nun 10 Skids O'Toole, the Ex-Convict 10 Tommy Muldoon, the Rookie Cop 10 Tony Morgan, the Bounty Hunter 10 Trish Scarborough, the Spy 10 Ursula Downs, the Explorer 9 Wendy Adams, the Urchin 10 William Yorick, the Gravedigger 10 Wilson Richards, the Handyman 10 Zoey Samaras, the Chef 10 DEVOURED 47th Daisy Walker, the Librarian 48th Vincent Lee, the Doctor Last post: Vitus

flamethrower49 said: mageith said: Last voter: Dam As of your post, mageith, Dam wasn't the last voter. Some of your numbers differ greatly from the last post. I vote to heal Amanda and hurt George and Kate. Could somebody reflect this accurately? I don't want today's vote wasted. Yikes. Sorry. Thanks for fixing it.

Agnes Baker, the Waitress 10 Akachi Onyele, the Shaman 8 Amanda Sharpe, the Student 5 Ashcan Pete, the Drifter 9 Bob Jenkins, the Salesman 10 Carolyn Fern, the Psychologist 10 Charlie Kane, the Politician 9 Darrell Simmons, the Photographer 10 Dexter Drake, the Magician 9 Diana Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist 9 Finn Edwards, the Bootlegger 10 George Barnaby, the Lawyer 7 Gloria Goldberg, the Author 8 Hank Samson, the Farmhand 10 Harvey Walters, the Professor 9 Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic 10 Jenny Barnes, the Dilettante 10 Jim Culver, the Musician 9 Joe Diamond, the Private Eye 10 Kate Winthrop, the Scientist 9 Leo Anderson, the Expedition Leader 10 Lily Chen, the Martial Artist 8 Lola Hayes, the Actress 10 Luke Robinson, the Dreamer 9 Mandy Thompson, the Researcher 10 Marie Lambeau, the Entertainer 10 Mark Harrigan, the Soldier 10 Michael McGlen, the Gangster 10 Minh Thi Phan, the Secretary 10 Monterey Jack, the Archeologist 10 Norman Withers, the Astronomer 10 Patrice Hathaway, the Violinist 4 Rex Murphy, the Reporter 10 Rita Young, the Athlete 9 Roland Banks, the Fed 10 Silas Marsh, the Sailor 10 Sister Mary, the Nun 10 Skids O'Toole, the Ex-Convict 10 Tommy Muldoon, the Rookie Cop 10 Tony Morgan, the Bounty Hunter 10 Trish Scarborough, the Spy 10 Ursula Downs, the Explorer 9 Wendy Adams, the Urchin 10 William Yorick, the Gravedigger 10 Wilson Richards, the Handyman 10 Zoey Samaras, the Chef 10 Hurt Walters (miscast); Patrice (too good) Heal Lily--Lots of fun. #47: Daisy Walker, the Librarian #48: Vincent Lee, the Doctor Last voter: Dam

pahapasi said: Hmm...I've think we have played in the that the investigator currently in LiTaS just plain and simple loses his/her turn, and does not get involved in play for one turn (until the next Upkeep). Thus ignoring game effects. That's how we play too. It wasn't so bad if you're one one being turned to dust and you have more turn of stay of execution.

jgt7771 said: Jedit said: I'm keeping a spreadsheet of votes and standings myself this time, which I'll update when I vote. Data in my post should always be accurate, and I'll say whose vote was the last one I counted as well. Last other vote counted: Cim. Unfortunately, Jedit, your data is inaccurate as of your second vote. You may have negated Mariana's vote (for violation of the 24-hour rule) but you based your corrections of Cim's first vote off of Dam's repost which DID included Mariana's vote. Right around there is when things went screwy and have carried forward to now. I implore you to double-check your spreadsheet. By my count, Harvey and Lily are wrong (somehow you magically granted Harvey +2 votes during your post), and Daisy is still in this. Can we vote yet? I hope I get the chance to take down Daisy if she reincarnates. (Actually I wish Patrice had gone out before her).

Agnes Baker, the Waitress 10 Akachi Onyele, the Shaman 9 Amanda Sharpe, the Student 6 Ashcan Pete, the Drifter 9 Bob Jenkins, the Salesman 10 Carolyn Fern, the Psychologist 10 Charlie Kane, the Politician 9 Daisy Walker, the Librarian 4 Darrell Simmons, the Photographer 10 Dexter Drake, the Magician 9 Diana Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist 9 Finn Edwards, the Bootlegger 10 George Barnaby, the Lawyer 10 Gloria Goldberg, the Author 9 Hank Samson, the Farmhand 10 Harvey Walters, the Professor 10 Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic 10 Jenny Barnes, the Dilettante 10 Jim Culver, the Musician 9 Joe Diamond, the Private Eye 10 Kate Winthrop, the Scientist 8 Leo Anderson, the Expedition Leader 10 Lily Chen, the Martial Artist 9 Lola Hayes, the Actress 10 Luke Robinson, the Dreamer 10 Mandy Thompson, the Researcher 10 Marie Lambeau, the Entertainer 10 Mark Harrigan, the Soldier 10 Michael McGlen, the Gangster 9 Minh Thi Phan, the Secretary 10 Monterey Jack, the Archeologist 10 Norman Withers, the Astronomer 10 Patrice Hathaway, the Violinist 4 Rex Murphy, the Reporter 10 Rita Young, the Athlete 9 Roland Banks, the Fed 10 Silas Marsh, the Sailor 10 Sister Mary, the Nun 10 Skids O'Toole, the Ex-Convict 10 Tommy Muldoon, the Rookie Cop 10 Tony Morgan, the Bounty Hunter 10 Trish Scarborough, the Spy 10 Ursula Downs, the Explorer 10 Vincent Lee, the Doctor 6 Wendy Adams, the Urchin 10 William Yorick, the Gravedigger 10 Wilson Richards, the Handyman 10 Zoey Samaras, the Chef 8 Hurt Patrice and Daisy, FFG's two biggest mistakes Heal Lily. Another mistake, correcting her

Hurt Patrice and Daisy. Too Good! Heal Lily.. Way good enough Agnes Baker, the Waitress 10 Akachi Onyele, the Shaman 10 Amanda Sharpe, the Student 9 Ashcan Pete, the Drifter 10 Bob Jenkins, the Salesman 10 Carolyn Fern, the Psychologist 10 Charlie Kane, the Politician 10 Daisy Walker, the Librarian 6 Darrell Simmons, the Photographer 10 Dexter Drake, the Magician 9 Diana Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist 10 Finn Edwards, the Bootlegger 10 George Barnaby, the Lawyer 10 Gloria Goldberg, the Author 9 Hank Samson, the Farmhand 10 Harvey Walters, the Professor 10 Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic 10 Jenny Barnes, the Dilettante 10 Jim Culver, the Musician 10 Joe Diamond, the Private Eye 10 Kate Winthrop, the Scientist 8 Leo Anderson, the Expedition Leader 9 Lily Chen, the Martial Artist 9 Lola Hayes, the Actress 10 Luke Robinson, the Dreamer 10 Mandy Thompson, the Researcher 10 Marie Lambeau, the Entertainer 10 Mark Harrigan, the Soldier 10 Michael McGlen, the Gangster 10 Minh Thi Phan, the Secretary 10 Monterey Jack, the Archeologist 10 Norman Withers, the Astronomer 10 Patrice Hathaway, the Violinist 6 Rex Murphy, the Reporter 10 Rita Young, the Athlete 10 Roland Banks, the Fed 10 Silas Marsh, the Sailor 10 Sister Mary, the Nun 10 Skids O'Toole, the Ex-Convict 9 Tommy Muldoon, the Rookie Cop 10 Tony Morgan, the Bounty Hunter 10 Trish Scarborough, the Spy 10 Ursula Downs, the Explorer 10 Vincent Lee, the Doctor 6 Wendy Adams, the Urchin 10 William Yorick, the Gravedigger 10 Wilson Richards, the Handyman 10 Zoey Samaras, the Chef 9

Graksnor said: My team is really bad at teamwork, so the violin is next to useless for us. We're the players who go "Yes! I'm Joe diamond and have a speed of 6, I started with the motorcycle and just drew the ruby of Ry'Leh! That's awesome, I get like 11 movement a round!" while we have two other characters limping along with a speed of 3. And unless we offer a decent trade, Joe will not give up his movement boosters to the slower characters. We usually lose. I could see Patrice not giving up a single clue token over the course of a game. Emily had SO MANY clues when she played Patrice, even she shared. It was a breakthrough moment.

Agnes Baker, the Waitress 10 Akachi Onyele, the Shaman 10 Amanda Sharpe, the Student 10 "Ashcan" Pete, the Drifter 10 Bob Jenkins, the Salesman 10 Carolyn Fern, the Psychologist 10 Charlie Kane, the Politician 9 Daisy Walker, the Librarian 10 Darrell Simmons, the Photographer 10 Dexter Drake, the Magician 9 Diana Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist 10 Finn Edwards, the Bootlegger 10 George Barnaby, the Lawyer 10 Gloria Goldberg, the Author 10 Hank Samson, the Farmhand 10 Harvey Walters, the Professor 9 Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic 10 Jenny Barnes, the Dilettante 10 Jim Culver, the Musician 10 Joe Diamond, the Private Eye 10 Kate Winthrop, the Scientist 10 Leo Anderson, the Expedition Leader 10 Lily Chen, the Martial Artist 10 Lola Hayes, the Actress 10 Luke Robinson, the Dreamer 10 Mandy Thompson, the Researcher 9 Marie Lambeau, the Entertainer 10 Mark Harrigan, the Soldier 10 Michael McGlen, the Gangster 10 Minh Thi Phan, the Secretary 10 Monterey Jack, the Archeologist 10 Norman Withers, the Astronomer 10 Patrice Hathaway, the Violinist 9 Rex Murphy, the Reporter 10 Rita Young, the Athlete 10 Roland Banks, the Fed 10 Silas Marsh, the Sailor 10 Sister Mary, the Nun 9 "Skids" O'Toole, the Ex-Convict 10 Tommy Muldoon, the Rookie Cop 10 Tony Morgan, the Bounty Hunter 10 Trish Scarborough, the Spy 10 Ursula Downs, the Explorer 10 Vincent Lee, the Doctor 7 Wendy Adams, the Urchin 10 William Yorick, the Gravedigger 10 Wilson Richards, the Handyman 10 Zoey Samaras, the Chef 10 Heal Lily, hurt Harvey since he's miscast and hurt Sister.

Scelous said: Dam said: Gott said: Rita Young has one of the worst abilities of any set. And I personally find that a real shame, since I like Rita's style and backstory; she seems like a cool chick. She's just completely and totally worthless - debatably for me the most worthless character in the game. She's one of my favorites. I don't think you yet appreciate the value of high speed and sneak. And she can fight too. Her special ability doesn't usually come into play, I'll grant you that. But her stat design is really nice. And if her scholarship retainer holds, she can buy what else she needs.

mattherobot said: It still bugs me that a Librarian is a better spellcaster than a Professor, a Magician, or a Witch, though. The story rationale, in particular, seems a little weak. Spells are actually from books so that have probably found their way to the library. Still, I agree, until the PS came along she was the only one that figured that out. Dexter is a stage Magician. And a professor is a professor (with a strong mind). Not necessarily wizards. Apparently not only can the professor only cast a few spells per game, his real strength is taking a tommy gun in hand and blowing normally sanity blowing monsters away. In other words, he's miscast. It shouldn't have taken much playtesting to see the imbalances in Daisy and Patrice. So it almost makes me think its deliberate, to give groups a chance to win once in awhile. What irriates me even more is the weaker characters--espcially Vincent. He should be much more significant based on his own personal story and his PS didn't really fix him much. His counterpart, Carolyn, is really quite cool. She was the best magic caster in the base game and didn't even start with a spell. Also, I'd like to know how the politician actually works. Other items that show a lack of playtesting are the Rare book collection and Velma's Gratitude. I can't get players to do them when they're free.

Gott said: Yeah, she's **** broken- even more than Daisy Walker the Librarian. We ruled noth of them so that their player MUST choose only ONE of their special abilities: that seems to fix them well. Think about it Better but not enough. As a gamer, For Patrice I'd choose generating the 20 or so clues. I tried that rule only and generated more clues that I could use in the game (since I couldn't share) and still sealed 3 gates. For Daisy, the free sanity for every spell and chosing her spell is more than powerful enough. In addition, the two powers not used are the most creative powers. It's very characterful if daisy reads tomes with a bonus. She's the librarian, after all. And for Patrice any character can gather clues but she's the only one that can share them. Perhaps allowing only use one power per turn or choosing randomly, which one, perhaps each turn.

Argonel said: Our local group agrees that as written Patrice is too powerful and leeches a lot fo challenge and fun from the game. At the moment we are mostly avoiding playing her, but we have discussed some options to reduce her power a bit. Our main thoughts are that for her personal story she must draw and keep 2 unique items either from an encounter or by buying stuff at the curoasity shoppe. The other main thought is that she may only pay one clue token per investigator per turn. I am a little nervous that this may make her a little underpowered, but I can't think of any other ways to dial her back a bit and still keep it "fair" and fun for everyone. Tonight I played her only being able to share her clues in the same town and she could achieve her personal story (but didn't). She didn't generate any clues at all. Played with a Brainy Bunch: Sister, Dexter (story achieved) and Carolyn (story achieved). It was the easiest game of Innsmouth I ever played. Patrice didn't seal any gates but helped Sister seal one and Dexter seal one. Sister will be first citizen. Innsmouth was quieter than ever. It was the first time the Deep One track didn't even threaten. I think being able to share her clues, without even generating any (except through her story), is as powerful or even more powerful than Joe Diamond's skill, who's not a bad investigator.

Solan said: And people thought MANDY was unbalanced! She's a piker next to the great Clue Mother. We've had six games with Patrice now and each time we've achieved a six seal victory, even against Rhan-Tegoth. Having observed Patrice over these six games my opinion is that her power is simply too great, too much. Mandy, Wendy and Jaxqueline all provide great advantages, it is true, but Patrice is a level beyond, a difference in degree so great that it becomes a difference in kind. If she is used correctly, the other Investigators almost don't have to worry about ever gathering Clues; they can simply jump in the nearest gate, confident that they'll have the Clues to seal when they emerge. Patrice's presence removes much of the challenge from the game and in doing so makes it considerably less fun. I'm arguing with my group that we should remove Patrice permamently and I am curious to hear what others in the Arkham community think about this issue. What are your thoughts and experiences concering Patrice? Do you also find her simply too unbalancing or not, and if not, why not? I wish I knew what FFG was thinking when they created Patrice. I've used her three times and the last two with her power reduced. 1) She could only share her closes with investigators in the same town. That was fun as she had to scurry between Innsmouth and Arkham and Emily still was able to seal gates with her (3 player game) 2) We reduced her futher to only being able to share 1 clue per turn with investigators in the same town and made sure they she had to draw and keep the Unique items. It wasn't enough. She still dominated. Her clue generation alone makes her outlandish.

Mariana the Ex-Nun Cultist said: I'd agree that using a special ability is not an encounter. I'm pretty sure it specifically doesn't count on rift duty. ... - Mariana the ex-nun cultist I'm pretty sure those count as encounters. Kevin answered that a while back, though it doesn't appear to have landed in his official answers. I remember because I argued that the English was pretty clear that an "instead of an encounter" shouldn't be an encounter. He said it was. I hoped to be proved wrong. If no one else remembers this, that's OK too. IIRC he went so far as so say Wilson's special ability also counts as an encounter. Also, I can't find where Kingsport "specifically" outlaws special encounters. I too wish the special ability was in addition to a normal encounter. However I have played it that way, the game is much harder and much longer. I guess you could always play Ursula if you wanted more encounters.

In olden days, the interest was often charged up front. http://www.businessfinance.com/discount-loan.htm The interest on an Arkham loan, assuming each turn is a day is 150% ($15 dollars interest on a $10 dollar loan) per month. I think the Sheldon gang owns the bank. Over a year's time that's $180. I'm surprised everyone doesn't default! Again, not so long ago, a financial year only had 360 days.

LinkN said: In 7-8 player games, we tend to have one person camping between the newspaper (several cash encounters, as well as a few that give a retainer) and the curiositie shop hunting for useful UIs (elder signs, magic weapons, tomes, etc). Usually works pretty good. Another reason I add a monster on opening gates for every "counts as investigator" over 5. Idle hands are the devil's workshop.