DagobahDave
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The standard tournament deathmatch may still be 100 points, but scoring rules have changed a few times, intentional draws have come and gone, and several cards have been rewritten to be better balanced. FFG has been willing to make changes in an attempt to keep tournament play from tipping too far in certain directions. We're due for an update to the format, that's all. For me it's really a question of when and how. I hope it's soon, and I hope it's pretty drastic.
I know some of you will hate this idea, but I would make deep cuts with these two new restrictions:
Restricted to 2 turrets per squad. Counting all PWT icons and all upgrades with the word Turret in the title. Miranda + Twin Laser Turret is 2 turrets. Dash + Outrider + Heavy Laser Cannon is just 1 turret, though. There would be quirks like this. I'm actually totally okay with the way that one works out.
Restricted to 2 of any card. Uniques are still limited to 1. All generics (pilots and upgrades) are restricted to a maximum of 2 each. Homogeneous swarms would vanish, but that can only be a positive thing. And you couldn't complain about wasting money on things you could no longer use in standard tournaments. If you think you'd feel ripped off because you couldn't run all 6 copies of Light Scyk Interceptor that come with the C-ROC, I'd just remind you about the C-ROC itself and how you can't use it in standard tournaments either.
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8 hours ago, Panzeh said:I would love to see the X-wing be a good ship, but I also think people have a massively rose-tinted notion of what the early wave gameplay was. It was simpler, yes, but in many ways also more dull- ships had far fewer viable customization options. Most upgrades were overpriced, ships could be easily defined by their mathematical values and had one or two things they did.
I mean, I, too, would like to see pure jousters in a better place, but the notion that we should go back to the wave 1-3 meta or that we should ban every decent upgrade card in the hope of going back to that would make X-wing a much much more boring game to me...
I also think this perspective tends to denigrate the advances made in X-wing's design from wave 4 onward, from actually decent ordnance carriers to turret slot weapons that are actually appealing in and of themselves to turrets that care a lot more about their arcs, aces that like to get in people's faces. Yes, it has made the game more upgrade heavy in response, but it's an added facet to the game and has added in more playstyles than it's removed.
I won't say that the sky is falling, but something has to change, because the gulf between the starter game experience and what we see in tournaments is too vast. I'm only nostalgic for a time when ship positioning and facing were very important for competitive squads and an expected feature of gameplay. We've lost much of that in the turret meta, and tournament matches rarely look or feel like what I'd call a dogfight.
I certainly don't suggest banning every single decent upgrade. I suggest seasonal ban lists or other card limits, or a change in scenario or mission objectives, the assumption being that these would be nuanced and themed, intended to create competitive environments for as many ships as possible on a rotating basis.
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2 hours ago, player346259 said:OK, so why don't you just stay away from the tournaments then and keep having fun in casual?
You typed a lot of unnecessary static, but this one was actually a good question.
The problem is that the standard 100-point tournament match format is the same format most new players expect when they show up at an X-Wing game night for the first time. All of the problems of high level competitive gameplay (the proliferation of netlist clones, overuse of turrets, excessive dice control, obvious power creep, etc.) are present in casual store play.For someone just trying to get their head around the core set and a couple of B-Wings, it's entirely possible to encounter Emperor Palpatine your first time out and realize that your idea of what a good squad might be is completely defeated by abilities and flight patterns that aren't even hinted at in the first few waves of the game. That's a problem from a new player's perspective, and for tournament organizers trying to bring in and retain players.
The very game format FFG hopes I'm going to sell new players on has become an exercise in frustration too often. Something really needs to change or tournament play is going to lose its appeal to all but an elite few who don't think anything's missing from the game. ("Look, Biggs is there. There's an X-Wing, so what are you complaining about?")
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I'd like to see FFG begin using seasonal ban lists, or a new scenario/objective for the standard tournament match, or both.
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If squadron cards cost points, how would that work in tournament scoring? Should I have to destroy the entire squad in order to collect the points they paid for their squadron cards?
Magnus Grendel reacted to this -
I would fix things, with cards such as:
Jump-Strike Group: Rebel only. All of your equipped [astromech] upgrades costing 2 or more points are reduced to 1 point each.Royal Escorts: Imperial only. TIE Interceptor pilots with a Pilot Skill value of "5" or greater gain 1 [elite pilot talent] icon if they do not already have one.
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The Force Awakens set (the blue one) is the better choice for now. If you enjoy the game, you'll eventually want the original core set too.
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18 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:SLAM is, but like Ordinance tokens from EM they do not technically have to - since they aren't SLAM tokens or anything.
They certainly could have some other use, and I can imagine some possibilities -- some kind of EMP device for the C-ROC, an epic ion cannon that knocks out small ship weapons temporarily, or part of a mission (going along with those hyperspace jump tokens).
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12 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:There are also weapon disabled tokens in the C-ROC, we don't know if that's an effect from some other upgrade or possibly related to the cannon.
With only two weapons disabled tokens showing, I'd guess they're not related to the cannon.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe SLAM is currently the only mechanic that specifically assigns a weapons disabled token.
Punning Pundit reacted to this -
And we're back! Almost a year has passed since we last checked the value of these upgrades on a category-by-category basis, so let's get updated! We have two new additions: Tractor Beams (cannon) and Dorsal Turrets (turret). How do we feel about the costs of these cards now, and what cost would you assign to them in order to make them difficult to pass up?
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CANNONS
Autoblaster (5)
Flechette Cannon (2)
Heavy Laser Cannon (7)
Ion Cannon (3)
Mangler Cannon (4)
Tractor Beam (1)
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TURRETS
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Dorsal Turret (4)
Blaster Turret (4)
Ion Cannon Turret (5)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
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5 hours ago, Rakaydos said:Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking this may be the best place to price-check a card for the [CCL] contest.
No, it really isn't. Please use your own CCL threads for CCL things.
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1 hour ago, librarian101 said:One of the problems to consider is that not all potential regen ships regen, not everyone flies R2D@ or R5P9 on a regen ship. The only pure regen is Miranda.
The way I see it, Miranda's regen is conditional at the same rate that R2-D2 astromech is. Once per round, at most, you get a shield back, but only if the conditions are right. You can't always take green maneuvers (ionized, or near the board edge) and you can't always attack (out of range, weapons disabled), so they're not guaranteed. I'd argue that R2-D2 is more reliable regen, actually.
But I don't see regen alone as the reason why we should consider half points for some small ships.
Consider free evade tokens. Mechanically, an evade token works exactly like a temporary shield token. Once per round, a TIE/x7 Defender gets one free shield (of a sort) if it meets a certain condition. It's not shield regen, but it's certainly a form of renewable shielding/armor. So I don't think we should pick on Miranda when there are Defenders shrugging off tons of damage in a slightly different way.
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15 hours ago, Needa_fix said:I just got into X-wing a couple months ago and have a sizable collection, but i don't know what to get next. I have: The force awakens core set, imperial veterans, imperial aces TIE interceptor, TIE defender, TIE punisher, TIE phantom, and the TIE adv. prototype. I don't want to buy rebels or scum & villainy, as I am going for imperial and am on a budget. Also, what do you think a good list for what I have right now/stuff I might get would be?
Are you interested in playing competitively, or do you want something more fun and thematic?
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1 hour ago, LifeGain said:Hello all! I have a bunch of store credit from trading in some Destiny product (could not keep up with Destiny and X-Wing), so I was wondering what I should get next. I was thinking of trying to spend roughly $100 to get free shipping and was planning on sticking to Imperials for right now (although that could change). So far, I have 1 Red Core, 2 Blue Cores, a Phantom, Imperial Veterans, Imperial Aces, a Defender, a TIE/fo, a Punisher, the Upsilon Shuttle, and TIE Adv. Prototype (along with a K-Wing and StarViper). I was thinking about getting 1 TIE/sf, 1 TIE Striker, 1 or 2 more TIE/Fo’s (just for Juke sadly), another Imperial Veterans, and another TIE Defender. Should I get a Decimator, go for the crummy Lambda just for the cards, or branch out to either Scum or Rebels to break the $100 mark? Let me know what you guys think!
Are you interested in playing competitively, or looking for something more fun and thematic?
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4 hours ago, Vitalis said:First of all - to look at it from "realistic" perspective: most of the guns in X-wing are forward fixed. That means they real firing arc is around 5 degrees. Anything above that is turning the whole craft to shoot. So it means that shooting something on the edge of its arc means almost banking in place.
Since a a ship's base is an abstraction of its size, position and orientation, I consider its firing arc to be an abstraction of its ability to make aiming adjustments and deflection shots from that general position. Banking and juking "in place" are what I imagine the ships are doing during the Combat phase, sort of the way that barrel rolling makes me re-imagine the maneuver that was selected.
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27 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:Imagine having to learn that some ships have an 80° arc, some 90°, some 45°, etc. Imagine having to not just learn all the dials, but also all the _firing arcs_. You'd have to not just learn how to visualize where your ships will get to, but also what they will be pointing at, in a much more complex way.
Lots of different firing arcs would be irritating.
It wouldn't be hard to learn two different forward firing arcs, though, which is what I would expect if it was a fundamental sort of mechanic. You'd have your narrow forward arc for whatever reason (maybe for secondaries, or +1 attack die with primary), and your wider front arc for standard primary attacks. And I have Actually Tried This with my Crimson Skies FlightPath conversion, and it's not difficult to get used to.
Punning Pundit reacted to this -
2 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:How did they not expect a miniatures game based on one of the most popular sci-fi franchises of all time to be incredibly popular? Particularly when you make it a game with gorgeous pre-painted minis; relatively low entry price; and easy to learn game mechanics.
A game can have all of those things and still not be fun. FFG was heading into uncharted territory with this and I'm sure it has surpassed their wildest expectations.
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FFG can still introduce new firing arc stuff (we already have the YV-666 breaking with tradition). I expect they will design another small or large ship with a non-standard arc before too long. And each pilot has its own base plate token, so if FFG wants to add a new X-Wing pilot with a different firing arc or whatever, that's no problem. They haven't missed the boat.
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35 minutes ago, Marinealver said:With bombs you need two things.
- High Pilot Skill
- Bomb placement adjustment
Warden Squadron Pilots are competitive bombers that don't rely on either of those.
heychadwick reacted to this -
Let's do this again. How do we feel about the costs of these upgrades today?
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TORPEDOES
Advanced Proton Torpedoes (6)
Bomb Loadout (0)
Extra Munitions (2)
Flechette Torpedoes (2)
Ion Torpedoes (5)
Plasma Torpedoes (3)
Proton Torpedoes (4)
Seismic Torpedoes (2)
Punning Pundit reacted to this -
Same thread, new year! Let's talk about how things have changed, and what the costs of these cards should be now.
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MISSILES
Advanced Homing Missiles (3)
Assault Missiles (5)
Chardaan Refit (-2)
Cluster Missiles (4)
Concussion Missiles (4)
Homing Missiles (5)
Ion Pulse Missiles (3)
Proton Rockets (3)
XX-23 S-Thread Tracers (1)
Does the standard TIE/LN need a title?
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Posted · Edited by DagobahDave
To get an idea of how Imperial TIEs are doing compared to everything else, check this out:
http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=2593
That's a nearly complete tournament report from an 88-player regional a few days ago. There are about half a dozen unknown lists. Of the 80 or so complete lists, there is one swarm of Imperial TIE Fighters (looks like they dropped early), and one other squad that features Scourge (also did not pick up many wins). A good amount of First Order TIEs, though.
Galactic Empire TIEs only need a title (or something) if you think it's important that they get more than a notional representation in tournament play. Which I do.
Backstabber's ability is perfect for low PS TIE Fighters, and would go a long way toward bringing them back as filler ships and swarmers.
Assassin Squadron Recruit: Title. 2 points. Galactic Empire TIE Fighter only. When attacking from outside the defender's firing arc, roll 1 additional attack die. You cannot equip this card if your pilot skill value is "4" or higher.