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#141 Dagonet

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 09:46 PM

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#142 Blail Blerg

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 05:20 AM

Hey Osoroshii,

Got a question, how would you visualize very large amounts of space.  

 

Say the 3k,4k, and 5k.  Let's say you want to k-turn into a board edge and youre not sure you're gonna make it.  so... a 4k has to consider the 5 straight range.

 

Also, how to gauge range 2 and range 3?

 

Here's an even harder one.  Lets say we are flying straight at each other from across the board. (rule of 13)  How would you accurately gauge a space of say... movement 8 or 9?  Let's say I have a tie bomber with a missile and I want to ensure it gets into range 2 or 3.  

Or even harder.  Let's say we aren't straight on and we aren't at the exact position of rule13.  I want my tie bomber to get as close to range 3 as possible.  How would you gauge it?


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 06:14 AM

The range ruler helps with situation. We know the edge of the map gets measured at the beginning of the match and Astroids can't get placed inside of the range 2. Each range is 2.5 ship bases and the Astroids will often sit at the range 2 from the edge. Range 2 is a forward five. Use the astroid to gauge the distance from the edge your ship is. If you have a ship with a K4 and you are closer to the edge than the astroid sitting at range 2, you won't make it. If the astroid is closer than the ship trying to k-turn you will.

A bomber with a missile has more to do with Pilot Skill level than the rule of 13. If your bomber is a lower PS it will always have a harder time getting the Lock and still being at the required range for the missile to fire it.
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Posted 29 August 2014 - 06:36 AM

Looking forward to the Huge Ship update...


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#145 Blail Blerg

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 06:41 AM

The range ruler helps with situation. We know the edge of the map gets measured at the beginning of the match and Astroids can't get placed inside of the range 2. Each range is 2.5 ship bases and the Astroids will often sit at the range 2 from the edge. Range 2 is a forward five. Use the astroid to gauge the distance from the edge your ship is. If you have a ship with a K4 and you are closer to the edge than the astroid sitting at range 2, you won't make it. If the astroid is closer than the ship trying to k-turn you will.

A bomber with a missile has more to do with Pilot Skill level than the rule of 13. If your bomber is a lower PS it will always have a harder time getting the Lock and still being at the required range for the missile to fire it.

 

Also, great thoughts on the K-turn.  

 

 

So is there anything you can do where as a lower PS bomber you can reliably get into R3 and stay within R2 or R3?  


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 06:51 AM

More of a tactic issue than pure movement, but.

 

Slow play, with a fast moving skirmish screen in front to dissuade your opponent from rushing into R1 (3+ TIEs/Squints will do nicely)



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 06:52 AM

I hope you all are aware of this:

http://randolphw.git...o/echolocation/
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#148 Osoroshii

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:12 AM

I hope you all are aware of this:

http://randolphw.git...o/echolocation/

 

Yes, this is wonderful work. I've had it booked marked since it was only echo. It has grown so much over the last 2 months.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 01:01 PM

Looking forward to the Huge Ship update...

 

to date I have never played a game with the huge ships. I only own a transport and have yet bro pick up a Tantive IV. the Huge ship guide may be a little ways away.



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 05:03 PM

Hey, so, any tips on guessing R3?  Say you want to guess whether BR your int will get it out of arc.  How would you accurate judge that?  

As a note:  I do not have the depth perception to add bases on end beyond two or three accurately.  Bad eyesight, bad depth perception.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:45 PM

Hey, so, any tips on guessing R3?  Say you want to guess whether BR your int will get it out of arc.  How would you accurate judge that?  
As a note:  I do not have the depth perception to add bases on end beyond two or three accurately.  Bad eyesight, bad depth perception.


I could put together a short guide "Out of Arc" and cover the width of the arc at each range of the firing arc. One thing to always take into consideration, always measure to see the distance a target is you are shooting at. Bear in mind the range ruler has predetermined sections that are 2.5 small ship bases each. So the line separating section 1 and 2 will be the center of the ship of it moves forward 2. The section the separates sections 2 and 3 on the range ruler is exactly forward 5. The that line will either be the front of the ship for a forward 4 or the back of the ship in a forward 5.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 01:16 AM

When scum comes out we will need a chapter on K-turns and S-turns. Not to mentioned the different strategies such as S-turns being harder to block (when a K-turn gets blocked you still get stressed). The Defenders white 4-K turn, the B wings 2 K-turn. 4 being the most common K turn while 3 usually for ships that have more than one K turn on their dial. Those that have 5 K-turns etc.


Edited by Marinealver, 30 August 2014 - 01:16 AM.

You can always start another round if you lost the last one.

I don't count the number of my ships since I get one of each it is rather pointless. I only count what I have doubled of.

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#153 Blail Blerg

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 02:58 AM

 

Hey, so, any tips on guessing R3?  Say you want to guess whether BR your int will get it out of arc.  How would you accurate judge that?  
As a note:  I do not have the depth perception to add bases on end beyond two or three accurately.  Bad eyesight, bad depth perception.


I could put together a short guide "Out of Arc" and cover the width of the arc at each range of the firing arc. One thing to always take into consideration, always measure to see the distance a target is you are shooting at. Bear in mind the range ruler has predetermined sections that are 2.5 small ship bases each. So the line separating section 1 and 2 will be the center of the ship of it moves forward 2. The section the separates sections 2 and 3 on the range ruler is exactly forward 5. The that line will either be the front of the ship for a forward 4 or the back of the ship in a forward 5.

 

 

wait, huh?? sorry.  I didn't understand that.  

 

I think I meant being out of the length of the arc, versus the width... but I'm not exactly sure what you're saying.  You mean the distance of the line at R1 horizontally parallel to the front side of the ship base is straight2 long?

 

How would you gauge the full R3 length of an arc.  

 

Like Soontir trying to avoid being shot at by Han completely.  I made a mistake in saying "out of arc".  I meant out of firing range completely.  How to guess the distance of R3 or 7.5straight long.

 

Thanks muchly for your tips by the way.  


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 04:19 PM

Cool!


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#155 Marinealver

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 01:52 AM

I hope you all are aware of this:

http://randolphw.git...o/echolocation/

It has Echo but it doesn't have Lorrir special barrel rolls nor does it have K-turns.


You can always start another round if you lost the last one.

I don't count the number of my ships since I get one of each it is rather pointless. I only count what I have doubled of.

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 09:05 AM

Hey, so, any tips on guessing R3?  Say you want to guess whether BR your int will get it out of arc.  How would you accurate judge that?  
As a note:  I do not have the depth perception to add bases on end beyond two or three accurately.  Bad eyesight, bad depth perception.


I could put together a short guide "Out of Arc" and cover the width of the arc at each range of the firing arc. One thing to always take into consideration, always measure to see the distance a target is you are shooting at. Bear in mind the range ruler has predetermined sections that are 2.5 small ship bases each. So the line separating section 1 and 2 will be the center of the ship of it moves forward 2. The section the separates sections 2 and 3 on the range ruler is exactly forward 5. The that line will either be the front of the ship for a forward 4 or the back of the ship in a forward 5.
 
wait, huh?? sorry.  I didn't understand that.  
 
I think I meant being out of the length of the arc, versus the width... but I'm not exactly sure what you're saying.  You mean the distance of the line at R1 horizontally parallel to the front side of the ship base is straight2 long?
 
How would you gauge the full R3 length of an arc.  
 
Like Soontir trying to avoid being shot at by Han completely.  I made a mistake in saying "out of arc".  I meant out of firing range completely.  How to guess the distance of R3 or 7.5straight long.
 
Thanks muchly for your tips by the way.

The truth about this guide is, the better we all fly the more exciting the games get. Not losing or winning a match due to pilot error, makes for the best matches.
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#157 Marinealver

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:12 AM

 

 

 

Hey, so, any tips on guessing R3?  Say you want to guess whether BR your int will get it out of arc.  How would you accurate judge that?  
As a note:  I do not have the depth perception to add bases on end beyond two or three accurately.  Bad eyesight, bad depth perception.


I could put together a short guide "Out of Arc" and cover the width of the arc at each range of the firing arc. One thing to always take into consideration, always measure to see the distance a target is you are shooting at. Bear in mind the range ruler has predetermined sections that are 2.5 small ship bases each. So the line separating section 1 and 2 will be the center of the ship of it moves forward 2. The section the separates sections 2 and 3 on the range ruler is exactly forward 5. The that line will either be the front of the ship for a forward 4 or the back of the ship in a forward 5.
 
wait, huh?? sorry.  I didn't understand that.  
 
I think I meant being out of the length of the arc, versus the width... but I'm not exactly sure what you're saying.  You mean the distance of the line at R1 horizontally parallel to the front side of the ship base is straight2 long?
 
How would you gauge the full R3 length of an arc.  
 
Like Soontir trying to avoid being shot at by Han completely.  I made a mistake in saying "out of arc".  I meant out of firing range completely.  How to guess the distance of R3 or 7.5straight long.
 
Thanks muchly for your tips by the way.

The truth about this guide is, the better we all fly the more exciting the games get. Not losing or winning a match due to pilot error, makes for the best matches.

 

Still why I want a chapter on K turns and S-turns. But before that with the debris clouds should we talk about how terrain can affect ships.


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I don't count the number of my ships since I get one of each it is rather pointless. I only count what I have doubled of.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:28 PM

I have bookmarked this post in my browsers, on both my pc and ipad.  until they sticky this thread.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:49 AM

I have bookmarked this post in my browsers, on both my pc and ipad.  until they sticky this thread.

Would be nice if this could be pinned to the top.


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I don't count the number of my ships since I get one of each it is rather pointless. I only count what I have doubled of.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 07:42 AM

Yes


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