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#1 Piterious

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:16 PM

If a Rogue Trader were to uncover a planet devestated by the Great Crusade or the Heressy, and located a Titan in reletively good shape, what would the location be worth to the Adeptas Mechanicus, if anything? Or what might the reward be if the Rogue Trader took it upon himself to recover it, and bring it to the Mecanicus as a "gift" ?



#2 weaver95

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:09 AM

At a guess?  I'd say a lot.  depending on the class of Titan we're talking about here, even a light cruiser might not be able to pick it up off planet and get it back home.  if i'm correct, I believe even the adeptus mechanicus have to use specially built ships to move the Legio Titanicus to the warzone and forward deploy 'em against any/all enemies so it's very unlikely a rogue trader crew could pick something like that up and move it to a forge world.  those things are BIG!

 

but if you could find one and somehow get word back to the adeptus mechanicus….yeah.  I'll bet they'd pay big for it.  and if you escorted them to the site, covered 'em while they dug it out of whatever planet it was stuck on and helped 'em bring it home again…they'd probably be inclined to help you out.  maybe a free 'peer (adeptus mechanicus)' talent.  or a free colony infrastructure upgrade.  perhaps an archeotech ship component or a huge break on ship repair/maintenence costs.  something good would come your way. 



#3 Piterious

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:06 AM

Thanks weaver. I haven't been running RT long, only a couple of months, being mostly a DW and DH guy. Unfortunately, the same group of players that has enjoyed done quite well in those groups have had nothing but bad luck in RT. Not by design, just can't seem to get a break. I have tried to hedge things in their favor, but the dice refuse to cooperate. They love the background of the game, and have put considerable effort into their character's and dynasty bacgrounds. I kind of wanted to get them in good standing with one of the major factions just in case of an emergency, but the whole "you came to the rescue of an Imperial Fleet captain and now are buddy/buddy with the squadron" seemed a bit to cliche.



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:47 AM

Piterious said:

Thanks weaver. I haven't been running RT long, only a couple of months, being mostly a DW and DH guy. Unfortunately, the same group of players that has enjoyed done quite well in those groups have had nothing but bad luck in RT. Not by design, just can't seem to get a break. I have tried to hedge things in their favor, but the dice refuse to cooperate. They love the background of the game, and have put considerable effort into their character's and dynasty bacgrounds. I kind of wanted to get them in good standing with one of the major factions just in case of an emergency, but the whole "you came to the rescue of an Imperial Fleet captain and now are buddy/buddy with the squadron" seemed a bit to cliche.

 

you might also want to consider something a bit more portable.  the Adeptus Mechanicus has been known to go nuts over recovered STC data fragments.  they'll give almost anything to find them, no matter what it is or represents.  anything from farm equipment to a new power generator design is considered holy to the cog boys.  maybe your team could find an STC database housed in a lonely and forgotten space station orbiting a (now dead) planet.  they carefully mark where it was found, recover the data and bring it to the admech guys next time they're in port wander…that would likely be more than enough to get 'em back on even keel.  they might even be hired to transport a bunch of cog heads to where they recovered the STC data for a more in depth investigation of the station and star system where they found the STC fragment.  same level of reward, much less heavy lifting involved.



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:03 PM

Point of Order: If you know the location of a Titan (even a damaged/recoverable one) and the AdMech know you know where it is, there is no such thing as them paying you for the knowledge of its location. You get to make one offer, and it had better be good, because if they don't like it you're as good as dead. They'll tear your ship (and your Dynasty) down around your ankles; no dock yard will touch your ship when you need repairs, your current compliment of AdMech will abandon ship rather than be associated with you, and no one will hear you scream in the depths of space when they blow you so full of holes that you'll whistle through the void…



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:22 PM

When I say "bad luck" I don't mean in the role play dept. They have just had bad luck in their encounters. Bad dice results. For them, character and ship combat has simply come out… bad. Not intentionally, they just don't get a break with the dice. It is like there is a voodoo curse on the them. I tried to fudge a couple of rolls in their favor, and they called me out on it. They don't WANT me to do that. They would prefer the bad results of the dice over a stinging encounter.

Alekzanter: I understand what you are saying. The RT player created the background fluff on his dynasty going back several thousand years. He sees his dynasty not as the "pirate" or "scoundral" side of the Traders, but more the noble servant of the empire. I liken it to House Ateides of the Dune universe. I was thinking about the discovery of a Titan because knowing the players, they would see it as an important relic and would either 1 try to recover it and return it to the AM or 2 at least give them the information on its location and offer any assistance in its recovery. In this situation, I think he would be happy with verbal acknowledgemnt and appriciation or perhapse a mention in the great war machine's list of honors. Anything above and beyond that would be icing on the cake. I wouldn't expect the AM to gift him with a brand new Battlecruiser. But for something like this, I would assume that the AM would offer something as a reward, which is why I asked what it would be worth. Not in the sense of what the RT's would politely demand in payment, but what the Mechanicus would offer in thanks.



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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:26 AM

Alekzanter said:

 

Point of Order: If you know the location of a Titan (even a damaged/recoverable one) and the AdMech know you know where it is, there is no such thing as them paying you for the knowledge of its location. You get to make one offer, and it had better be good, because if they don't like it you're as good as dead. They'll tear your ship (and your Dynasty) down around your ankles; no dock yard will touch your ship when you need repairs, your current compliment of AdMech will abandon ship rather than be associated with you, and no one will hear you scream in the depths of space when they blow you so full of holes that you'll whistle through the void…

 

 

The AdMech are not idiots, and should usually offer generous rewards for good service. If they don't reward people for bringing them valuable items and information, people will stop bringing them valuable items and information.

If you try to sell a Magos the location of a Holy God-Machine as a tawdry business deal it might not go over well, but a smart rogue trader could still try to negotiate over the price or even start a bidding war. The AdMech consists of many rival factions. Many of them would love to get their hands and mechadendrites on a titan. Discreet inquiries regarding the reward a faithful servant of the Imperium might expect to receive should he happen to stumble upon a titan could reveal how much each faction is willing to give…

 

Also keep in mind that while a titan has great value to the AdMech, even the most mass-produced cargo hauler starship is an expensive and holy piece of technology. Starting a war with a rogue trader over a few measly thrones is likely to cause a lot of pointless destruction, and in the end the titan may remain lost - an unacceptable outcome by any standard.



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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:29 AM

I think Iku Rex nailed it.

I'd also mention that this scenario may be the penultimate reward for an Explorator PC. This is their raison de vivre, it's their purpose. It needs to be a big moment for them. It's career-defining.

That aside, the AdMechs are-as Iku Rex mentioned-extremely factional, and forking this over to the first Magos to pop his head up may cause the dynasty more long term trouble than they realize if that NPC just happens to be on the outs with the current rulers of the Lathes. Assuming they're looking to trade the info to the Ad Mechs, I'd reward them based on how difficult it was to find said titan, and how much effort they put into its recovery, though at the very least I'd give them an archeotech component as a reward/thank you.



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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:48 AM

I did this quite easily during the fight to save Damaris in "The Frozen Reaches".

I took the Titan encounter from The Black Sepulchre ( A dire adventure apart from the titan), turned the rubbish deamon infested cathedral into the main shrine of Damaris city and put it on the clifftops overlooking the harbour and the forge. During the siege the priest wouldn't allow anyone to enter the cathedral to activate its ancient weapons so the players engineered a diversion, got inside, found a hidden elevator behind the altar panels and Bang, next thing you know they end up literally crapping themselves as the Emperor Class Battle Titan rips out of the cliff and breaks every window in a couple mile radius with a blast of its siege siren and stomps off laying the smack down with its Plasma Annhilator. The players were both amazed (It was a genuine surprise), stupidly happy (the captain in his mag boots stomped out to put the house flag on its back) and Metagaming petrified (If he has given us this toy, what the hell are we going to be fighting?!)

They gave it back to the mechanicus and the local titan legion. This got them a massive PR coup and the favour of the Legion. This works well as a nuclear deterrant option, no one is going to piss them off and risk having a Titan battlegroup show up, even Winterscale was impressed with the up and comming dynasty.

 

The favour of a Titan Legion is worth more than mere PF.






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