Crappy phone flipped out again. Sorry for the reposts without any comment. But I still fail to see your point here. Are you saying min maxing is good for a person to learn how to play this game? Are you saying that by min maxing you will become a better roleplayer? Are you saying the rules were built by the game designers for min maxers instead of guys who want to portray a deep PC?
If you still haven't understood what this thread is for, I do not think that anything I can say will help you.
Several people on this thread have argued that the system is broken "because you can use raiders to defeat cruisers" for example. that's bs unless you take a groups tactics into consideration and the a group with a raider is supposed to defeat he cruzer using good tactics, right? What's broke about tactics an luck of the dice? I have seen raiders try to exchange shots with a cruiser toe to toe and the raider does not fair well at all. (as it should be)
Literally no-one has said that. Just because you use quotation marks doesn't make it so. It just means that you don't know how to use quotation marks.
As you say "RT is surprisingly robust" when it comes to "brokenness" so I fail to see why we need to examin and define how to make "Broken Builds" (title of thread) in order to be or prove we are deep and skilled gamers.. Unless we want to turn Warhammer 40000 into Munchkin 40000…
It has nothing to do with proving anything. Not skill, nor being "deep". The only one that is trying to prove something here is you. Nobody else cares. You are the only one that is making an argument out what is literally a non-issue. For everyone else making broken builds is nothing but a mental exercise. For fun. To see what you come up with. As I have already explained.
Now I've only played in one game that went six months 2x per week and ran a game that went just over a year and a half 2x a week so I don't have much exp with the game compared to folks who have ran six games in two years (or whatever. But I know the rules enough.)
If your saying that as long as your having fun your playing the game right I'd have to agree.
That's not what I said. You have to literally read some other post in some other thread, likely on some other forum, to reach that conclusion. Seriously, what the hell?
Never contended that. I do still contend that a person cannot define the limitations of a system be bending and exploiting the rules to min max an unrealistic character created in a manner and with intent not in keeping with the motivations of the games designers. That's unfair as hell to the guys that worked like dogs to bring us this game! Especially in RT where you are a bad ass unless you try really hard to suck. Do you think the writers made the game to reflect the Warhammer setting with deep roleplaying characters in mind? or did they set out to make a system thats min max (munchkin) proof? I think they tried to provide rules to define a setting that has long been familiar to table top gamers and that would reflect the feel of the table top game. what do you think they did? And how do youth ink they hoped we would use/play it?
You are once again off to a tangent in fairy-land that has nothing to do with anything. I just went over this. It's in less than three posts above you. Goddamn.
Bending the concepts and ideas of the game designers is not going to illuminate any problem with the game.
Well, no ****. Nobody said it would.
But saying I made x and y happened sure could. But only if breaking **** was not the point from the start. Any game I ever played can be maxed into brokenness. Have you played one that could not? Do you think those flaws belong to the system or those broken players?
I believe that's what I said. What is wrong with you? Are you Chris-Chan? Are you getting so hooked up on the words "Broken Builds" that you cannot tell that nobody has said anything about the system being broken whatsoever, but have, in fact, told you repeatedly that it is nothing but a discussion about how to "break" RAW? A RAW that, as I said, we all have to agree on in favour of RAI.. you know what? **** it. I think I'm speaking to a wall here.
This is you:
And this is me, giving up: