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#1 jackdays

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:16 AM

Allright - I'm moving this topic to the GM section now. It may have few spoilers in it, timeline certainly will have.

 

Storm of Chaos (SoC). Warhammer world shattering event, Archaon as Everchosen, THE Chaos Incursion ever…

Many fans hated SoC, probably equal amount were neutral (didn't like it, but it is part of fluff), and MAYBE there even were few who did like it. But some even liked to erase the entire event. Either way - It is still part of the Warhammer timeline, and this topic is not to evaluate if the event was badly done or not. Now with the WFRP3 and especially with the Enemy Within -campaign SoC event is here again.

You find the updated Storm of Chaos Timeline (version 1.1) pdf document from my site's Rule Expansions. Link here: Kalevala Hammer

 

Updated version of the timeline will feature some changes, some corrections, but most of all - It features events from the new campaign The Enemy Within (WFRP3).

Now, TEWv2 mentiones few times, that it happens two years after the dead of Marius Leitdorf (which happened in the year 2520) and the map in the book also has year 2522 in it. BUT all the events in the book indicate that the campaign happens in the year 2521. This is the year when Warlord Surtha Lenk makes his "Spring Driving" and sacks Wolfenburg. Invasion which is only vanguard invasion to Archaon's coming invasion.

Offcourse Games Workshop could be rebooting the timeline and we just dont know that yet, but this is my timeline of the events with current information. Enjoy.

 

 

 


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#2 DevoutBadger

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

Glad to see you post this here. I read it a few days ago from StS and thoughy it was an excellent, excellent piece of work that I enjoyed quite a bit.

Sadly though, I can't recall any of the questions that came to mind as I was reading now that I see you here, of course!

I am sad to hear the tEWv2 is a bit confusing as to how it lines up, as I have felt that the looming shadow of the Storm of Chaos has been an interesting twist to 3e, I have been kind of excited now it is kind of rearing its head… even if actual Storm of Chaos is a bit poo…

Anyways, once again, excellent job on this great piece of work.



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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:34 PM

Strange, reading the new timeline with the new Enemy Within content… it pretty clearly changes the series of events around the sacking of Wolfenburg and Volkmars death. 

Veeeeeeeeery interesting.



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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:45 PM

DevoutBadger said:

Strange, reading the new timeline with the new Enemy Within content… it pretty clearly changes the series of events around the sacking of Wolfenburg and Volkmars death. 

Veeeeeeeeery interesting.

 

2521 events have been unclear (or which order and when they happen) from the first place. I had to go with "best academic knowledge" there ;-) In a way TEWv2 nicely gives new stuff and puts some of it in order. But yes - it changed the year 2521 some amount.


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#5 Glorian Underhill

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:37 PM

Thanks for working TEW 2.0 into it. Good read.



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:52 AM

Actually my read of the new EW adventure text indicates it's 2522.  Blackfire Pass 3 was 2520, which was "2 years ago", someone came to Averheim in 2517, which was "5 years ago" etc.

This fits in that similar review of starting material for WFRP 3 indicates the start year for the new game's first adventure (eye for an eye) was 2521.  So they have moved on one year.

Then again, if it says it's 2521 here or there, that would be in keeping with a few other typo/failures in consistency.



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 06:52 AM

valvorik said:

Actually my read of the new EW adventure text indicates it's 2522.  Blackfire Pass 3 was 2520, which was "2 years ago", someone came to Averheim in 2517, which was "5 years ago" etc.

This fits in that similar review of starting material for WFRP 3 indicates the start year for the new game's first adventure (eye for an eye) was 2521.  So they have moved on one year.

Then again, if it says it's 2521 here or there, that would be in keeping with a few other typo/failures in consistency.

Did you read my timelines first pages? There is little my ramplings about these troublesome years…

Since 2004, when Storm of Chaos came, all the sources (former SoC site, WFB books, WFRP2 books…etc.) have placed the event in the year 2522. That year Archaon makes his major incursion. And it is mentioned that Warlord Surtha Lenk made his "smaller" vanguard invasion and sacking of Wolfenburg one year before. Which would be year 2521. Also WFRP3 books have given the idea that it would be year 2521 and Surtha Lenks invasion is on the way.

Yes, then in the TEWv2 it is stated few times (including the map) very clearly that it is year 2522. But all the background events just point to year 2521.

Now, I dont know if the writers know something that we dont - Like if GW is rebooting/changing the timeline. Or is this year thing just mistake? We probably know when the new WFB: Warriors of Chaos comes out (it probably has info about Archaon and SoC).

 


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:30 AM

The work is great, I was just wondering if there is an entry in EW2 that puts Wolfenburg earlier.  Not sure we have a dispute then, EW3 says 2522, all the other material earlier says 2521 really (yup with the game first came out with 2521 as year I thought - oh, they're not giving PC's long before it all goes to pieces).  By background I take it you mean the material otherwise available, not material in EW2 (I thought you meant latter) 

If going strictly EW2, using your timeline but advancing 1 year works fairly well.  If using earlier edition stuff (perhaps a v2 player converting the adventure), perhaps sticking with your timeline works best 

EW2 Part 2, essentially about 1 week + a bit into adventure, it is said Surha Lenk started consolidating hold 6 months ago; 2 months ago he broke through Kislev, 4 weeks ago he entered Ostland, 3 weeks ago they were pressing for Wolfenburg.  That means shortly after the "pressing for Wolfenburg" would be the start time for the adventure in Averheim (Sigmarzeit in your breakdown, excellent, the only indication of time of year I see is that it's hot enough a northen sabretusk is panting in menagerie)

BTW, as I posted at Strike to Stun, I can almost believe that the EW2 designers used your distances fan supplement to set out the distances for all the long trips in the adventure.



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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:07 AM

I have just read "Road of Skulls" and it took me a while to put the two Heros in the correct context as I was thinking all the time where is Snorri and my Felix doesn't know what a chaos hound is, he has fought against them in Karak Dum.

 

Took a while until I realise that the Reynolds incarnation plays between Trollslayer and Skavenslayer around 2503/2504.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:09 AM

Glorian Underhill said:

I have just read "Road of Skulls" and it took me a while to put the two Heros in the correct context as I was thinking all the time where is Snorri and my Felix doesn't know what a chaos hound is, he has fought against them in Karak Dum.

 

Took a while until I realise that the Reynolds incarnation plays between Trollslayer and Skavenslayer around 2503/2504.

Interesting that you did wrote about Gotrek & Felix in this topic… But it works for me. I love them.

I have read some other stuff lately, so I'm just starting Anthology and dont have Road of Skulls. I think everything after Zombieslayer (which happens in the beginning of 2523) is about their adventures BEFORE the SoC (mostly those missing years)… I'll update the Gotrek & Felix timeline as I get those stories read. It is interesting to fit those stories in the past ;-)

 


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:34 AM

Ok - I have checked various new WFB 8th edition books (like the Empire, Warriors of Chaos, Daemons of Chaos…etc) their timelines (and added them to my sites timelines). They all seem to point that Archaon's invasion comes in 2522 (all the timelines end there).

SO - that would make my timeline still correct and TEWv2 timeline wrong by one year. Surtha Lenks vanguard invasion should come in 2521 (still), which would be ONE year from the dead of Marius Leitdorf and the battle in the Black Fire Pass.

If your thinking about the map in the end of the TEWv2 book also has year 2522, there is also explanation for that. That map comes from the WFB 8th edition: The Empire book (and again - that is dated as 2522, when Archaons invasion comes).


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:42 PM

jackdays said:

Ok - I have checked various new WFB 8th edition books (like the Empire, Warriors of Chaos, Daemons of Chaos…etc) their timelines (and added them to my sites timelines). They all seem to point that Archaon's invasion comes in 2522 (all the timelines end there).

SO - that would make my timeline still correct and TEWv2 timeline wrong by one year. Surtha Lenks vanguard invasion should come in 2521 (still), which would be ONE year from the dead of Marius Leitdorf and the battle in the Black Fire Pass.

If your thinking about the map in the end of the TEWv2 book also has year 2522, there is also explanation for that. That map comes from the WFB 8th edition: The Empire book (and again - that is dated as 2522, when Archaons invasion comes).

 

You convince me, I'll begin the campagn in 2521, backertag sigmarzeit 18.






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