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lost oasis vs pentoshi manor

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#1 orion_kurnous



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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:37 AM


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I explain the situation that occur in a friend game:

1. First player attacks with red viper

2. knell oasis to give stealth

3. Second player use pentoshi manor and quit stealth and renomb (first players choose go on)

4. First player use a second oasis on red viper.


¿Red viper give or not stealth with the second oasis? im not sure because penthosi read that quit ALL KEYWORDS until the end of phase



#2 ktom



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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:45 AM

"All keywords" means "one instance of each keyword." It can be overcome by enough "gains X keyword" effects.

If a specific keyword or a specific category of keywords is named (i.e., "loses all Stealth" or "loses all non-immunity keywords"), then character could not have that keyword/type of keyword and the effect could not be overcome with "gains X keyword" effects.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:43 AM

Ktom, since we never really heard from you in response to http://www.fantasyfl...=749349&efpag=1, it would seem that at last ruling from FFG "All keywords" is "All instances of all keywords" (although I'm still not sure if a second lost-oasis used after works).

#4 ktom



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Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

Eh. If they are shifting the rulings, they are shifting the rulings. This was always one of those "both interpretations can be defended" situations.

If the ruling is "'all keywords' means 'all instances,'" then the second Lost Oasis will not work. Just like STR and icons, you always do the calculation from scratch each time. Since Pentoshi Manor has been ruled to mean "all instances," its factor in that calculation will be variable, not fixed at the time it is triggered. In fact, it is probably better to think of Pentoshi Manner the way you would the Bara-Iron Throne and Dominance. Technically, you still do the count, but the card effect defines the final result, no matter how the count actually turns out.

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