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#1 orion_kurnous

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:22 AM

I heard a conversation that meera red its going to be in te restricted list? anyone know something about that?

I hope no…i believe there are many cards to be restricted before meera!!!



#2 Skowza

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 01:37 PM

Unless that conversation involved Nate and/or Damon I dont think you should give it much credence.  She can be very powerful, especially in a Winter deck, but shes just a solid control card and is easily killed by VB or Flame-Kissed.  She doesnt even combo with anything like TVB + NE that was becoming so popular before TVB hit the list.  There are plenty of other cards that need restricting before she does imo.



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Posted 02 December 2012 - 01:43 PM

They've restricted plots for being a bit too obvious as auto-includes, and I don't think any Stark card is more of a no-brainer than Meera. Not saying I think she needs to be restricted, but it wouldn't really surprise me too much.



#4 Tomdidiot

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:00 PM

There are plenty of Stark no-brainers that I would include at the same time as Meera - KL Sansa, KL Arya, Brienne, Bouncing Catelyn, the NCF, and the Blackfish -nobody is calling to have those restricted!



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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:34 PM

Tomdidiot said:

KL Sansa, KL Arya, Brienne, Bouncing Catelyn, the NCF, and the Blackfish

Lol, I only used one of those cards in my GenCon deck and wouldnt consider any of those an auto-include.



#6 Skowza

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:37 PM

Not that I'm saying they arent strong cards, but Hodor would go in almost all my Stark decks first.



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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:23 PM

Skowza said:

Tomdidiot said:

 

KL Sansa, KL Arya, Brienne, Bouncing Catelyn, the NCF, and the Blackfish

 

 

Lol, I only used one of those cards in my GenCon deck and wouldnt consider any of those an auto-include.

 

Yeah, that list didn't seem quite on par with Meera to me either.  I agree with your POV: It wouldn't really surprise me either way.  She's very good but really, what are you taking away if you restrict her? S&D?



#8 Tomdidiot

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:39 PM

imrahil327 said:

Skowza said:

 

Tomdidiot said:

 

KL Sansa, KL Arya, Brienne, Bouncing Catelyn, the NCF, and the Blackfish

 

 

Lol, I only used one of those cards in my GenCon deck and wouldnt consider any of those an auto-include.

 

 

 

Yeah, that list didn't seem quite on par with Meera to me either.  I agree with your POV: It wouldn't really surprise me either way.  She's very good but really, what are you taking away if you restrict her? S&D?

Narrow Escape for Kinghts/Winter.  Fear of Winter for Siege, Stark Maesters and S&D for everyone else.

As for the list, I'm not saying they're on par with Meera (except possibly for Brienne - for most intents and purposes, she "blanks" every one of your opponent's triggered effects for the duration of a challenge) - but they're all staples that would go in most Stark decks -fishy draws, Catelyn blcoks intrigues, Arya survives valar, NCF just hits things, and KL Sansa can be a beast against the right deck.



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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:16 PM

Tomdidiot said:

There are plenty of Stark no-brainers that I would include at the same time as Meera - KL Sansa, KL Arya, Brienne, Bouncing Catelyn, the NCF, and the Blackfish -nobody is calling to have those restricted!

 

I'm in favour of restricting all of those. Possibly along with the Stark house card.



#10 alquimista

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:01 AM

I also heard that secret hideout is going to be restricted. The midgets in my garden told me.

*True story*



#11 WWDrakey

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:06 AM

alquimista said:

I also heard that secret hideout is going to be restricted. The midgets in my garden told me.

*True story*

~ Damn those midgets! They told me that Baratheon would be getting some sweet and efficient draw engines in the next CP Cycle. I should've known…



#12 alquimista

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:45 AM

Never trust the midgets!! :P



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 04:53 AM

Tomdidiot said:

There are plenty of Stark no-brainers that I would include at the same time as Meera - KL Sansa, KL Arya, Brienne, Bouncing Catelyn, the NCF, and the Blackfish -nobody is calling to have those restricted!

I agree with the others in not seeing any of these as cards to add to the restricted list.



#14 Warren12

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:02 AM

A restricted Sansa, that will be the day. :)

 

Champ cards should be meta-changing without being broken as part of a combo (and almost all are).   I think Meera is incredibly powerful, but not worth restricting.



#15 Tomdidiot

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:35 PM

Bomb said:

Tomdidiot said:

 

There are plenty of Stark no-brainers that I would include at the same time as Meera - KL Sansa, KL Arya, Brienne, Bouncing Catelyn, the NCF, and the Blackfish -nobody is calling to have those restricted!

 

 

I agree with the others in not seeing any of these as cards to add to the restricted list.

Oh, I'm not saying that they should be added to the restricted list - I'm saying I don't see how Meera is any more powerful than those cards - versatile, yes, but those cards all have silly strong effects in some way or another.  At the end of the day, Meera is Stark's only real answer to a lot of things, and I don't think banning her is neccessary, or warranted.



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:05 PM

Tomdidiot said:

I'm saying I don't see how Meera is any more powerful than those cards

Meera is infintely stronger than all those, shes ultimate control, especially in Winter.  Cat is useful but so are the other versions, Sansa is situational and combos poorly with Meera and KL Arya that you like, also useless in melee, Brienne and NCF get knelt or burned or icon-stripped, BF is really just a Renown guy that might net you a few cards… Meera shows up mid-Challenge phase and screws whole strategies over, then hides from opponents trickery after you lose a Refugee during Dominance.



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:11 PM

Tomdidiot said:

At the end of the day, Meera is Stark's only real answer to a lot of things

And here is the part what I find problematic, no house should have such an easy answer to "a lot of things" and I would even like to see Greyjoy get the Marauders on the restricted list with Stark getting Meera. Ban? definitely no, but I wouldn't be surprised if she got restricted as she is overly flexible.



#18 BBSB12

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:41 PM

Well, the answer of what cards need to be on Restricted or Banned list depends on FFG's definition of what cards should be added to those. So here is the question to general audience: what is common between cards that are on Restricted list and can you extrapolate those qualities to Meera? And of course, does FFG playtest restricted list before/after changes or is it just showing the general consensus of people playing the game?



#19 divinityofnumber

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 02:09 AM

Meera is a great card. But, I don't think that she is worthy of the restricted list. 


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#20 msommi

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:43 AM

Meera adds lots of fun to this game. A great card design. Restricting her would be a bad idea. Also, while restricting Meera, FFG should also restrict Red Viper (nonsense card) , Cyvasse, manning the city wall (see free bannermen), threat from the north, hatching feast, to be a dragon, knight of flowers, standing bob, the laughing storm, wintertime marauders. But what game would then be ? Nothing too broken yet. There are many ways to deal with Meera and Meera is just one of them. As a side note, any house using the shadow agenda can play Meera. What more can you ask ?






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