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#1 OptimusPrime21

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 08:54 AM

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#2 fhaugh

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:46 PM

 I don't know, I think I'll stick with the Heavy Laser Grenadiers.  3 shots instead of two, although range 6 is nice, and the ability to take 2 wounds without losing any effectiveness…hmmmm



#3 mgentile7

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:04 PM

fhaugh said:

 I don't know, I think I'll stick with the Heavy Laser Grenadiers.  3 shots instead of two, although range 6 is nice, and the ability to take 2 wounds without losing any effectiveness…hmmmm

So you think this can take 2 wounds and fully function with 1 operator? How did you get to that conclusion? Just curious.



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Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:10 PM

Because it has 3 wounds, not 3 figures with one wound each.   Because they have said it will take damage like a Hero.  Unless you plan on taking figure off the base whenever the unit takes damage, I don't see another way to do it.



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Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:10 PM

 Another case of suspension of reality for rules simplicity.



#6 mgentile7

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:28 PM

fhaugh said:

 Another case of suspension of reality for rules simplicity.

Yeah I hear you. Just wanted to get your reasoning as i use a different approach for crew served weapons.

I dont have a lot of play time with these units I made but I have been keeping a small dice next to each to track wounds. For the pak 40 if it gets two wounds it can only fire every other turn. For the machine gun it can operate with one guy but cannot move and the same for the AA gun. Seems to work ok but im not the guy making the rules we all pay for.



#7 LotusPwn3r

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 07:16 PM

Is it just me, or do these guys make the Hermann walker completely obsolete?

 



#8 Gothik

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 07:28 PM

Hermann walker was already made completely obsolete by Heavy Laser Grenadiers.



#9 Major Mishap

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 08:50 PM

LotusPwn3r said:

Is it just me, or do these guys make the Hermann walker completely obsolete?

 

Hermann has never not been obsolete.



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Posted 20 October 2012 - 01:01 AM

Tough choice between these guys and the Heavy Laser Grenadiers - at least in my opinion. But I somehow wonder why they introduce this kind of squad where all members share one base instead of using the "standard" mechanic of removing killed soldiers and thus reducing a squad's power.

And I just thought of another point: I suppose no hero can join this squad. What do you think?



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Posted 20 October 2012 - 02:21 AM

??! said:

And I just thought of another point: I suppose no hero can join this squad. What do you think?

Why not?  Per the revised core rulebook: "Before the first round of the game, a hero can join a squad as long as the hero shares
the squad’s armor class. (A 2 hero may only join a 2 squad.)" pg18.  No other limitations apply unless the squad or hero has a skill that says otherwise.  (zombies or gorillas)  Of course, right now your only choice is Lara.



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Posted 20 October 2012 - 07:37 AM

IMO I think this unit is a more balanced unit than heavy laser grenadiers and have a higher survivabilty. If this unit is attacked by a flame type weapon you are only going to take 1 point of damage rather than a possible loss of unit. Also with the mg-44 it gives some balance gainst armor 2 troops.



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Posted 20 October 2012 - 09:24 AM

 I never thought about the weapon like flamethrowers or the petard mortar.  They target according to the number of miniatures.  Maybe they'll be more useful than I thought.  Of course this means the Allies new marines can't get wiped out in a single artillery strike either.



#14 Loophole Master

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 11:13 AM

Humm, interesting issue. Do these 3-men-in-a-single-base squads count as one figure or three figures when rolling flame weapons?



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Posted 20 October 2012 - 02:55 PM

Loophole Master said:

Humm, interesting issue. Do these 3-men-in-a-single-base squads count as one figure or three figures when rolling flame weapons?

See Like I posted above I always counted these type units as three or four men crews and took hits as individuals instead of like a vehicle. The same was true when I played AT43. AT43 did not have rules for units like this so I naturally treated them as 2-3-4 man crews each taking individual hits or the weapon taking hits.



#16 Loophole Master

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 03:41 PM

But in this case you clearly cannot remove the figures as they get eliminated, so the squad must remain at full strength until it is destroyed, just like a vehicle.



#17 Major Mishap

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 08:41 PM

 They must count as a single model as no models are removed and loss of wounds does not effect the unit at all, I see it as no different than flaming a multi-wound hero.



#18 Loophole Master

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 02:35 AM

We'll have to wait for the rules, but I can see how they could be a sort of a hybrid. They count as three figures when rolling damage from X/+ weapons, but they take damage just like a single hero.



#19 mgentile7

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:08 AM

Loophole Master said:

But in this case you clearly cannot remove the figures as they get eliminated, so the squad must remain at full strength until it is destroyed, just like a vehicle.

What I do is keep a small dice and log the hits that way. This way I and my opponent can track the hits and readily see if the unit is working at say half speed or cannot move, etc…… I do the same for my vehicles. Seems to work well and is easy to follow. However i am not the rule maker for the game but probably will adjust this rule once the minis come out.



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Posted 25 October 2012 - 01:33 PM

fhaugh said:

 I don't know, I think I'll stick with the Heavy Laser Grenadiers.  3 shots instead of two, although range 6 is nice, and the ability to take 2 wounds without losing any effectiveness…hmmmm


Well, one big advantage this unit has over Heavy Laser Grenadiers is that you don't have to buy an expensive core box to get them!






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