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#1 Toqtamish

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:50 AM

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I like him. Powerful trace that can shut down the runner on a run. Reinforces HB's defensive nature.



#2 alpha5099

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:11 AM

I like this guy quite a bit. Perhaps should've just called him Ash, because who's gonna bother with 2X3ZB9CY? Can't wait for them to show us what the new HB identity is like.

 Curious to see how high trace strengths will go. This'll be the strongest trace in the game for now, are they willing to let them powercreep up much further over time, or will this remain a very strong trace throughout the game's life?



#3 profligate

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:46 AM

I'm sure there will be powercreep.  It's almost impossible to avoid it in any card game.  Sometimes it can even be a good thing.

As for Ash, I think he's going to be an auto-include in most HB decks, at least until the card pool is big enough to allow each faction multiple viable build options.



#4 Thee Forsaken One

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:52 AM

With his 2 Influence cost I can see him being quite popular in other Corp decks as well. Trace 4 is really powerful and if you have some spare Credits then it will be hard for a Runner to get passed him. On top of that, he's not unique so you can have 3 Ash 2X3ZB9CY protecting 3 Servers. :)



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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:32 AM

Thee Forsaken One said:

On top of that, he's not unique so you can have 3 Ash 2X3ZB9CY protecting 3 Servers. :)

 

You might want to have another, closer look at the image of Ash :)



#6 byronczimmer

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:35 AM

Thee Forsaken One said:

With his 2 Influence cost I can see him being quite popular in other Corp decks as well. Trace 4 is really powerful and if you have some spare Credits then it will be hard for a Runner to get passed him. On top of that, he's not unique so you can have 3 Ash 2X3ZB9CY protecting 3 Servers. :)

As has been pointed out, the Diamond in Ash's title means he is, indeed, unique.

One rezzed at a time.



#7 Kouzmanoff

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:32 PM

 I didn't really think about the power of unique corp cards unrezzed, but I would include and install multiple copies, then just lose the old one if I had to rez a new one when the runner accessed that fort. It's much easier for the corp to run unique cards than the runner.



#8 Thee Forsaken One

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:58 AM

Saturnine said:

Thee Forsaken One said:

 

On top of that, he's not unique so you can have 3 Ash 2X3ZB9CY protecting 3 Servers. :)

 

 

 

You might want to have another, closer look at the image of Ash :)

Fail. > < Ignore what I said. ^^; I guess he would be too good to be true if he wasn't unique.



#9 LordxMgen

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:36 PM

 i dont think it needs to be said but your also forgetting how much NBN would LOVE this card!! theyre good at traces and this would totally protect a high cost agenda like a requisition while you just uses your events and ice to pump the hell out of it. im still not sold on haas though.  probably cause i still dont truly understand them.



#10 ODie

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:09 AM

Not a Sysop? Even the quote suggests that this guy should be one.



#11 Mischief

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 03:29 AM

LordxMgen said:

 i dont think it needs to be said but your also forgetting how much NBN would LOVE this card!!

 

definitely. can't wait to get ahold of him.



#12 Hannibal_pjv

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:30 AM

I am allmost come to conclusion, that it is better to have zero links when playing Runner and use you card pool for something else… You lose every trase. but you can purge them and don't waste your clics to play cards that give you more links… I hope that I am wrong. Can anyone explane why I would need to be worry about trace? I have played only 10 games with every faction and links just don't seesm to be worth of it… You lose the trace in anyway…, well if not playng Chapers in anyway.

 



#13 Penfold

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:37 AM

 Winning a Trace attempt is not the same thing as tagging a runner. So if you lose this trace you are not tagged and forced to clear a tag, you are locked out of trashing anything other than Ash, meaning if you want to trash the agenda or asset on that server you must run it all over again.

And if you are losing every single trace as the runner your corp player is spending a LOT of money over the course of a game in which case you should be doing decently okay on how much ice he is rezzing and agendas he is advancing.



#14 IamSalvation

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:55 PM

Hannibal_pjv said:

I am allmost come to conclusion, that it is better to have zero links when playing Runner and use you card pool for something else… You lose every trase. but you can purge them and don't waste your clics to play cards that give you more links… I hope that I am wrong. Can anyone explane why I would need to be worry about trace? I have played only 10 games with every faction and links just don't seesm to be worth of it… You lose the trace in anyway…, well if not playng Chapers in anyway.

 

There are some Traces in the Basegame that don´t just give out a Tag but deal Braindamage, on Ichy 1.0 for example. You can´t get rid of that braindamage at all. You should also consider that getting rid of a tag costs you a click, so winning a trace bid will save you one click you can use for other stuff…



#15 Hannibal_pjv

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:32 AM

Ok, but would it not be cheaper just to break that ice subrutine that makes the trace?

 



#16 Thee Forsaken One

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:50 AM

Hannibal_pjv said:

Ok, but would it not be cheaper just to break that ice subrutine that makes the trace?

 

If you're still talking about Ash then you might notice he's an Upgrade and not ICE. He cannot be broken, although a Runner card may come out that allows you to trash Upgrades without accessing them.



#17 Twn2dn

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 07:09 AM

3x Red Herring and 3x Ash will make for some very expensive runs. Both would be great in Jinteki and NBN, factions that tend to allow runners to get through the ICE at the cost of net damage/tags.



#18 ffaristocrat

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:51 AM

 Remember, Ash is unique. So you'd rez him one at a time.

 

See Kate run.

See Corp rez Ash.

See Ash trace.

See Kate trash Ash.

See Kate run.

See Corp rez Ash.

See Ash trace.

See Kate trash Ash.

See Kate run.

See Corp rez Ash.

See Kate tear her hair out in frustration.

See Ash trace.

Kate can't afford to trash Ash anymore.

Poor Kate.



#19 Khudzlin

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:49 PM

Kate is the runner who will suffer least from Ash, because she has easy access to higher link (Toolbox and Rabbit Hole), so the corp will have to pay more to make that trace go through.



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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:57 PM

 Does this mean we're going to be seeing HB Bioroid cards named Bishop, Case and David in the future? 

Speaking of names, I wonder how FFG's story people generated the numerical part of his name, whether they have a system for it or they're just a randomly imagined sequence of numbers and letters.






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