Jump to content


Corp Identity Comparison

  • Please log in to reply
4 replies to this topic

#1 AussieKSU



  • Members
  • 101 posts

Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:27 AM

Purely from an economical standpoint, in my games with the core set, HB is clearly the best for passive ability.


Games usually last about 15 turns. That means I'm generating maybe 13 bits with HB in the course of the game, as this is 15 opportunities to gain a bit by installing something.

HB - around 13 bits

Jinteki is difficult to measure from an economical standpoint, but usually costs the runner 4-5 cards in the course of the game. If you count a click as a bit, which isn't quite correct, this is abstractly generating you 4-5 bits (yes, the random discard is slightly different, but I think the comparison is close enough).

Weyland. Oh, weyland… how bad you are… The maximum amount of bits you can get extra in the entire game, drawing every single transaction operation, is 6.

NBN. Sure there have been games where 10 trace attempts have been made in separate turns, but this is very rare. I saw games with NBN run about 4 or 5 traces, saving you 8 to 10 bits. I also played several games where only 1 or 2 traces were made. Furthermore, these extra bits are not generating you cold hard cash, so it is even more restricting.

#2 Damoel



  • Members
  • 562 posts

Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:39 AM

 I'm not sure a strict bit comparison is a great way to look at it. It is useful information, but the identities are also supposed to encourage strategies. The Jinteki has a lot of net damage in-house, and their identity really helps to burn the runner out. NBN may not make a fortune from it's ability, but it does really allow them to pursue the "tag, your blowed up" strategy.

Like, for example, an opponent was riding high in a game against my Jinteki deck as they had more points then me, until about halfway through when they realized that wasn't really the goal. This is a little off topic, but it illustrates that there are some large differences between the corps.

I'm actually really happy with the way the identities played out for corps. Many of cards are easily shared between them, and the actually identities provide some encouragement to pursue the strategies. I feel like the runners have it a lot more restrictive, with their cards feeling (I haven't done an analysis) like they are more restrictive.

Fleet timez!


Anarchists: 6 A-Wing, 6 B-Wing, 2 Y-Wing, 6 X-Wing, 3 Z-95, 3 E-Wing, 2 HWK290, 2 YT-1300, 2 GR-75, 1 CR90

Good Guys: 6 TIE/LN, 1 TIE/AD, 3 TIE/D, 6 TIE/IN, 4 TIE/SA, 4 Phantom V38, 2 Lambda Shuttle, 2 Firespray-31

#3 ffaristocrat



  • Members
  • 53 posts

Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:16 AM

I tend to value a click as being worth 2 credits or 2 cards. It's the exchange that shows up in a lot of cards. So 1 card = 1 credit is probably a fair exchange value for analysis.

In any case, I think you're right about HB having the best, most straightforward, ability. You install something (which is almost every turn) and you get a credit. Not a lot to think about there.

As the card set grows, Weyland has the potential for more, especially since the ability triggers *every* time a Transaction Operation is played, not just the first. I imagine we'll get new versions of Day/Night Shift with the Transaction keyword and that'll double the number of cards that trigger the ability and make it more palatable. But even in the best case, it requires drawing out the deck. Definitely the weakest ability by far. You'll only get 3 extra credits from this on average I imagine. It'd be better if it triggered off of Transaction abilities as well.

NBN's is a bit harder to quantify. It's not just the credits spent breaking the trace but also the credits you cost the Runner to match and avoid the trace. So the value is potentially doubled. If NBN spends both credits on traces during 5 different turns and the Runner pays to match you on at least two of them, you're already on parity with HB's ability at 14. Of course, are they credits you would've need to spend had you not had them? There's also the value of those credits helping to land a tag on the Runner. So it's a powerful ability, probably the most valuable if aggressive gameplay.

Jinteki has the nebulous additional value of costing the runner opportunities from the random discards and the outside chance of killing them if they access too many agenda at once. It does force the Runner to waste a couple clicks keeping more cards in their hands than they normally would. All in all, I think you're right about how valuable the power is. It'll do 6 net damage at the very most (potentially more with different agenda in the future), in practice probably 4-5. Four cards plus, let's say two clicks wasted to cautious play, so a value of 8. A little bit better than Weyland at least.

Weyland and Jinteki's abilities have a hard cap while NBN and HB continue to pay out even if the game drags on. (Well, technically, HB is limited by the number of non-Operation cards in your deck but that's not likely to be a concern.) So the long game favors their abilities.

The Runner abilities seem to all be stronger than Weyland and Jinteki's.

Gabriel pays out 2 credits the first time you hit HQ each turn and has cards geared towards him hitting HQ as a normal course of business. And it keeps paying and paying as the game goes on. Probably the best with focused play.

Kate has a similar ability to HB that's not quite as strong since it's just hardware and programs. But she also gets a permanent link bonus and cards geared towards programs and hardware. It's a strong straightforward ability that you're always going to benefit from.

Noise's virus mill… Weak if you don't play to the ability, strong if you're aggressive about laying waste to R&D. It would probably mill 4-5 cards in the course of a game with standard gameplay but if you're focused on taking advantage of it, then it's going to get costly for the corp. There's added value from making agenda easier to steal because they're now in archives and out of reach for any corp except HB. It also triggers every time a virus is installed, not just the first time one is. Probably *the* ability that's going to become more and more powerful as new cards come out. There's likely a deck centered around decking the corp to be had here a year from now.

#4 AussieKSU



  • Members
  • 101 posts

Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:34 AM

brilliant faris, agree 100 percent.

#5 AussieKSU



  • Members
  • 101 posts

Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:41 AM

Except on Noise's rating… milling 4-5 cards usually turns you an agenda. Depending on the value of the agenda, I put that at around 10 bits. Furthermore, the makes the corp D archives (usually), which has another subjective "cost" to it. It's a bit tough to put a "bit worth" on his ability, but It brings usually 1 more agenda into play.


© 2013 Fantasy Flight Publishing, Inc. Fantasy Flight Games and the FFG logo are ® of Fantasy Flight Publishing, Inc.  All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Contact | User Support | Rules Questions | Help | RSS