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#1 Manchu

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 06:51 AM

Ever since the game was announced, people have been speculating as to what would be included among subsequent "waves" of miniatures.  Many have realized that there simply aren't that many different fighters shown in the OT and even the introduction of medium-sized ships this past week at GenCon has left fans scratching their heads about what other "medium" ships showed up in the OT much less what could plausibly fall into the presumptive "large" category.  However it pans out, I'm sure FFG will not disappoint.

As a separate matter, I'm interested in getting some repaints.  I ordered a 6' x 4' Hotz mat for this game and eventually want to use the whole thing!  It would be awesome to have four to six players at a table commanding squadrons of Alliance and Imperial fighters.  I'd even like to see a more "crowded" two-player game.  So, while it is cool to have a mess of X-Wings and A-Wings from Red Squadron, how about some X-Wings with green or one of the beautiful blue A-Wings from the RotJ concept art?  FFG would have purchases of at least three repaints of each ship from me, that's for sure.



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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:18 AM

 I'd buy repaints too. It's probably a limited market so not likely but I would support it. Congrats on the mat purchase!



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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:39 AM

I'd *eventually* buy repaints but I'd rather they focus on getting a variety of ships out there for the first 6 months at least.  After they finish with the most obvious choices from the original trilogy, I'd rather have them choose another half dozen from the EU in the same approximate timeframe (20 BBY to 20 ABY) before coming out with redone versions or switching to a different time period (like the clone wars).



#4 Manchu

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:43 AM

VaultDweller said:

Congrats on the mat purchase!
Thanks -- I am almost as excited about the mat as the minis TBH.

I agree that the market for repaints would be limited but I'd be surprised if a repaint production run really cost that much.  They might be a good exclusive, for example, for certain retailers or even FFG's own online shop.  What I really would NOT like to see is repaints as tournament prizes or exclusive to certain cons.  While that kind of "trophy item" has a certain appeal, it encourages a ridiculous after market



#5 Manchu

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:48 AM

Sanguinary Priest said:

I'd *eventually* buy repaints but I'd rather they focus on getting a variety of ships out there for the first 6 months at least.

I have a feeling that it will take six months to get the four we've seen at Gen Con plus a B-Wing and TIE Bomber out -- probably along with a Death Star trench run set and presumably the first "large size" ship.

There's a big assumption that this game will expand into all eras but I don't think that is well justified.  While it might be neat in some ways, I think the franchise could really stand focusing on the OT after the last decade of endlessly pushing out the boundaries of the  EU and the prequels.  The recently announced SW RPG line, for example, seems to be exclusively Rebellion-era for at least the next three years (at least as a matter of core books).



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Posted 20 August 2012 - 03:28 PM

Manchu said:

While it might be neat in some ways, I think the franchise could really stand focusing on the OT after the last decade of endlessly pushing out the boundaries of the  EU and the prequels.

Agreed and seconded. I am really tired of seeing an OT Lego set with PT characters on it. I think of them as separate universes, really. I mean, there are some similarities, but they are really forced and only there to make you go "oh, I see George connected the dots." I would love to have them stick with the OT for a while.



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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:02 AM

 Waiting on the eventual Rogue Shadow or Outrider ships. Maybe even mercenary/neutral ships like the Virago.



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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:27 AM

I wouldn't mind repaints given as prizes, so long as they aren't including new pilot data.  Winning an event should not be a barrier to bring certain pilots, IMO.  If all they're doing is just swapping the ID colors on the model, I'm cool with that, but if they're including new pilots in them, they should be made availible to the public at large.  Repaints with new pilots and may be exploring the EU is probably the best way to expand the game past the movies.  I would think that some ships from the prequels would be cute as "legacy" ships.  Even making more formal shuttle and carrier ships (like the ones they escorted out of Hoth) would be neat, as the shuttle token in the starter isuseful, but a bit bland compared to the 3-D ships zooming about.  They've already half-confirmed the Turbolaser Batteries, so little extras and the like are likely the order of the day once we get the basics out.



#9 Manchu

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:33 AM

YES!  Repaints + New Cards -- that is the type of expansion I am interested in.  Forget about Naboo starfighters, etc, just give more tactical depth to the Galactic Civil War.



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Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:36 AM

Manchu said:

YES!  Repaints + New Cards -- that is the type of expansion I am interested in.  Forget about Naboo starfighters, etc, just give more tactical depth to the Galactic Civil War.

That's the way I see it going. Having new expansions with repainted ships and new cards is the best way to make it marketable, and also expand the game. It would be awesome to have several squads (flight groups) of X-wings zipping around the board: "Red group, gold group: all fighters follow me!"


"That starship won't fly, Bastila."


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:27 AM

Parakitor said:

That's the way I see it going. Having new expansions with repainted ships and new cards is the best way to make it marketable, and also expand the game. It would be awesome to have several squads (flight groups) of X-wings zipping around the board: "Red group, gold group: all fighters follow me!"

Holy crap. You just blew my mind. I didn't even think of color squads. This would be epic. Maybe, when you have a 2v2 or 3v3 game, the squad rules would be in effect.



#12 Manchu

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:50 AM

Well, let's hope James Kniffen is reading this!



#13 Sanguinary Priest

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:00 AM

I'm not in the market for any repaints until all the original trilogy ships have hit the market.  After that, sure.



#14 Parakitor

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:08 AM

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I'm not in the market for any repaints until all the original trilogy ships have hit the market.  After that, sure.

I hear that. I am surprised that they announced wave 2 so soon. I'm not ready for it: I haven't even played the game yet! Repaints should be released far down the line.


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#15 Manchu

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:17 AM

That's kind of what prompted me to start this thread.  We know the next four releases.  After that, there are two other "small size" ships to be released from the OT, namely the TIE Bomber and the B-Wing (the "heavy hitters").  At that point, there's not much more to release from the OT in either of the two known size categories and maybe only one ship that could be feasibly released at the large category (and I'd bet the Rebel Transport would probably be at least 70 USD).  So instead of just blithely moving on to the prequels, which don't even speak to the brand, I'd like to see the tactical depth increased via cardboard.  But the game is a miniatures game first and foremost.  It's hard to see where this product is going sans releases of little plastic spaceships.  So my proposed solution is repaints.  You get new rules and a new squadron paintjob.



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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:38 PM

Well, we have in the initial wave of boosters the X-Wing & TIE. They're barely even suitable as "repaints," yet there they are (well, they ARE the two most iconic fighters, granted). I could totally see a green A-Wing with new pilots, on down the line. Mebbe even a red TIE Interceptor.

ALL THAT SAID, don't think for a moment Clone Wars ships aren't coming - if the game's successful. It's just plain money.



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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:24 PM

 I don't mind clone war ships. Gives my wallet some recovery time :-)



#18 herozeromes

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 07:52 AM

IG-58 said:

don't think for a moment Clone Wars ships aren't coming

Well, I don't know. I think by calling the game X-Wing, they limit themselves to OT. If they come out with prequel ships it would have to be Star Wars (insert prequel ship name here) Miniatures Game.

Also, they could conceivably release card-only expansions to expand the pool of pilots, astromechs, weapons, etc to keep the game alive.



#19 Manchu

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:18 AM

Ah, cards-only expansions lead to the dreaded Print-On-Demand graveyard!  I think a repaint + new cards is a better deal for all parties.  The Edge of the Empire announcement gives us a minimum window for the license of three years.  I think we can expect this game to be supported for at least two years if it does well.  We're not talking a game that really needs waves upon waves of expansion in that time period.  But it's easy to imagine that points levels will steadily rise during the lifetime of organized play.  That means folks will need to get more ships.  To keep things fresh, you need new rules -- which means you need new cards.  The natural solution to needing more of the same kind of ships and more rules is to package new cards with ship repaints.



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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:00 AM

herozeromes said:

IG-58 said:

don't think for a moment Clone Wars ships aren't coming

 

Well, I don't know. I think by calling the game X-Wing, they limit themselves to OT. If they come out with prequel ships it would have to be Star Wars (insert prequel ship name here) Miniatures Game.

Also, they could conceivably release card-only expansions to expand the pool of pilots, astromechs, weapons, etc to keep the game alive.

On the other hand, it wouldn't take long to transplant the system into a Clone Wars game between the CIS and Republic, and then sell it as a separate game that is fully compatible with X-wing.  From there, one sentence keeps you from flying Luke versus Anakin in tournaments.  you are correct, a game called "X-wing" probably should stick to the Galactic Civil War, but seeing prequel stuff in here is not a large stretch of the imagination.






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