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#1 Fenrisnorth

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:33 PM

 Or is it just a flavor line in the starting gear for the Sanctioned Pysker. I mean, his OTHER piece of specialist gear is a data-slate. I'm ready to write it off, but psy focus actually DO something in the other games so I'm putting the question to y'all.



#2 KommissarK

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 02:51 AM

As far as I know, its just flavour. With the removal of invocation, and the use of the fettered/unfettered/push system, I'm not sure it needs to do anything.



#3 Cifer

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 03:19 AM

In Black Crusade, using a Psy Focus grants +10 to Focus Power tests.



#4 Musclewizard

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 03:57 AM

I'm using a modified Black Crusade Psy-Focus for my games. So in Black Crusade a Psy-Focus is a flat +10 bonus on Focus Power tets. With my version it allows you to spend half an action to get +10 or a full action to get +20 on the next Focus Power test. Like with the aim action the bonus is lost if you perform a reaction.



#5 Fenrisnorth

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:18 AM

 Kinda wondering why Psykers get the middle finger for starting gear. They are the only specialty that has no gear with a function. I mean sure, the priest has a book of scripture; but he also has a flamer and chainsword.

I just don't get why the brainboy got shafted.



#6 Darklordofbunnies

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:28 AM

The Psy Focus should do something, similar to the BC examples mentioned above. As to why they get shafted on gear…no good answer for that. The image of a guy in robes with a funky walking stick and maybe a laspistol is fairly iconic. I assume the intent was to get you to use your powers more, be more psyker-y, but we all know not many people would be willing to fire anything on full-auto if using FA had a chance of summoning a bloodthirster….



#7 KommissarK

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:35 AM

The problem would be what iconic gear could they hand the psyker? All that's actually left is a force weapon. And if the psyker has one of those at char gen, well, straight up, out of the box, they win.



#8 Darklordofbunnies

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:48 AM

Well they would still have to get into melee and actually hit something, neither of which are easy for a psyker at char-gen, so it would probably just be another way to get yourself killed.



#9 KommissarK

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:54 AM

A best quality staff/sword would be pretty sweet, I'll admit.



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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:13 AM

KommissarK said:

A best quality staff/sword would be pretty sweet, I'll admit.

+1


I wish I lived around people who actullay played games instead of just calling themselves gamers....


#11 Darklordofbunnies

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:33 AM

Huh, I saw the staff in the picture and didn't even bother to check if they get one. A best staff wouldn't be to OP at start and would be good and flavorful. Adding that to the suggestion list.



#12 Cifer

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:13 PM

A force weapon at DH-Rank 1 equivalent sounds rather ridiculous. A staff, possibly good quality (there's no character who gets best quality out of the box) would be fine, though.



#13 Fenrisnorth

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:49 AM

 Really? When the weapons speciaists can snag melta guns, and the heavy gunners can get lascannons fairly easily off the start, especially if it's a favored weapon and someone has skill in commerce, A measly little force weapon is what you're worried about?



#14 KommissarK

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 05:17 AM

Fenrisnorth said:

 Really? When the weapons speciaists can snag melta guns, and the heavy gunners can get lascannons fairly easily off the start, especially if it's a favored weapon and someone has skill in commerce, A measly little force weapon is what you're worried about?

Force weapons are actually significant.

This is actually dealing with a best quality sword/staff, which is significantly easier. Either would be under or equal to scarce availability. I remember in the DH days, a best mono sword was actually a pretty good stepping stone to chain/power weapons, and was only about 350 thrones.



#15 Fenrisnorth

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:24 AM

 At Chargen, I disagree that force weapons are going to be a game-breaker; or even unbalancer. Now once a psyker has some XP under his belt; then they start getting good; but if the silly warphead is getting into CC, he's gonna get pwned pretty hard. Heck, a chainsword is better than a force sword in the hands of a PR2 character, and it has tearing. Of course, as I said before, they are both inferior to a meltagun at PB range.



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:41 PM

my question would be when you get access to a vast array of pwerful aabilities which noone else can get, why do you need gear? D&D wizards dont complain about their lack of heavy weaponry, and the sanctioned psyker actually gets armour. 

definitely get the rules for the psy focus in (i thought thats what the staff was), but after that you only really need standard kit to get by. (also, with hardened fighters its not hard to give EVERYONE best quality swords)



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Posted 21 July 2012 - 05:36 AM

Considering Deathwatch and Librarians (OK… I know that are Adeptus Astartes)… Force Sword… why not? On the other hand it is a significant weapon but Psyker himself is a weapon and a very unstabile one… don't you agree?

You have to take into account that Psyker element in any regiment is usually 1 to 5 of them on whole regiment if they even get them assigned by Adeptus Astra Telepathica… they are additional support specialists… like Kommissars and even rarer.



#18 Darklordofbunnies

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 05:59 AM

skatingtortoise said:

my question would be when you get access to a vast array of pwerful aabilities which noone else can get, why do you need gear? D&D wizards dont complain about their lack of heavy weaponry, and the sanctioned psyker actually gets armour. 

definitely get the rules for the psy focus in (i thought thats what the staff was), but after that you only really need standard kit to get by. (also, with hardened fighters its not hard to give EVERYONE best quality swords)

Magic missile doesn't have a chance to kill you and summon a greater demon every time you cast it.



#19 Cifer

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 06:42 AM

@Fenrisnorth & Grubisha

Really? When the weapons speciaists can snag melta guns, and the heavy gunners can get lascannons fairly easily off the start, especially if it's a favored weapon and someone has skill in commerce, A measly little force weapon is what you're worried about?

It's not so much their effects (though they are powerful enough - the opposed WP test can give you more bonus dice than Accurate), but what they stand for in the setting. A lascannon is a powerful weapon, but it's produced by the millions on forge worlds that have the tech. Every Force Sword is a unique weapon, hand-crafted from incredibly rare components. Their rarity says it best: Near Unique. The reason Librarians and Sorcerers get one at the start is because their games start at the equivalent of an 8000 XP Only War game. These characters are the best of the best - a beginning OW Psyker is just one of the guys deemed safe enough to probably attack the enemy instead of instantly peril and summon a daemon.



#20 Darklordofbunnies

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:16 AM

Looks like we got our wonderful best staff!






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