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#1 Kewl Imp

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:36 AM

I have a question about Tech Priest. I'm new to the 40k universe, so I wondering if anyone could answer a question if a group of Rogue Traders "acquire" suits of power armor, would the Space Marines be able to detect Space Marine Power Armor on the Rogue Trader's ship.



#2 herichimo

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:33 AM

I would say…. depends.

If the tech marine sees the armour it would be fairly obvious it was a space marine mark. Versus a built from scratch copy designed for the smaller and weaker humans who lack a black carapace. If its packed away in a box, I don't think he'd be able to detect it. If the ship's manifest was accurate though (i.e. no entries 'left out' or listed as something other than it is) and serial codes or type and manufacturing origin are correct he would likely be able to figure out its a space marine suit in storage.

 

Background reminder: a suit of space marine armour is designed to work with a black carapace, down to its very core. Abscent a black carapace the suit will not function, you might be able to turn it on but it wouldn't function. So a normal human could not operate a space marine suit of power armour, and not only because of the size difference. To make a space marine mark compatible with a human you'd have to gut the entire suit, removing practically all the internal components keeping only the protective armour plates, then intigrate those plates with a human interface mechanism.



#3 Kewl Imp

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:40 AM

The suit of power armor in question is hidden away towards the back of the ship away from everything else. I don't know all the fluff that well but so I figured I would ask others with better knowledge. Someone told me that any Space Marine chapter and he focused on Space Wolves saying they would be ruthless and use a skill I couldn't find in the books called Auspex and immediately find the armor on the ship.



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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:54 AM

Kewl Imp said:

The suit of power armor in question is hidden away towards the back of the ship away from everything else. I don't know all the fluff that well but so I figured I would ask others with better knowledge. Someone told me that any Space Marine chapter and he focused on Space Wolves saying they would be ruthless and use a skill I couldn't find in the books called Auspex and immediately find the armor on the ship.

 

Auspex is not a Skill, it is a piece of equipment used for seeing threw objects or over great distances.  Even if you where to bury the armor in a thickly armored box it would still be detectable as the Auspex might not see the armor itself, but the power plant would still be active to a small degree and be detected that way.  Just pray that that armor is not Astartes Power Armor or all of your ship will be slain to reclaim it.



#5 Kewl Imp

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:24 AM

I feel so stupid not knowing more about a system. Is auspex only a personal item or can it be a ship mounted to be able to scan another ship.



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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:55 AM

Kewl Imp said:

 

I feel so stupid not knowing more about a system. Is auspex only a personal item or can it be a ship mounted to be able to scan another ship.

 

 

Yes they can be mounted on ships.  There are different level's of Auspex out of the core book;

Auspex:  +20 to Awareness tests.  Can use Tech-Use to spot things normally not seen.  (example: gases) Range 50M, threw 50cm thick walls.

Auger Array:  Cyber-implant, see Auspex.  Bonus is re-roll perception test

 

I only have the core book for Deathwatch on me, but I do know that the Seige Auger has better ranges.  Just can't remember what they are.



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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:05 AM

Have a look at p200-202 and p216-217 of the Rogue Trade core rulebook for information on ship augers. They are generally used to detect entire ship components and energy signatures not items as small as individual suits of power armour.

A space marine, not even just tech-marines, should have a solid chance of recognising Astartes-grade power armour even if its modified. Their reaction is unlikely to be a favourable one towards the "owner" of said armour.



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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:26 AM

The armor itself is hidden in the ship. Its currently being "modified". The original owner is somewhere cast into space with the rest of the battalion of space marines. The story is the crew came across a punctured space marine ship with no life signs. The crew of the Titans Grasp raided the ship before it accidently blew up. They ended up pulling out two twin linked las cannons, 10 multimeltas and 5 suits of power armor. One suit being from a vereable suit. I got into a discussion where someone told me the space marines would automatically be able to sense the verable armor.



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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:00 PM

Kewl Imp said:

The armor itself is hidden in the ship. Its currently being "modified". The original owner is somewhere cast into space with the rest of the battalion of space marines. The story is the crew came across a punctured space marine ship with no life signs. The crew of the Titans Grasp raided the ship before it accidently blew up. They ended up pulling out two twin linked las cannons, 10 multimeltas and 5 suits of power armor. One suit being from a vereable suit. I got into a discussion where someone told me the space marines would automatically be able to sense the verable armor.

 

'Automatically sense'? No, Marines don't have a Suit Detector that's constantly on all of their ships' sensors and auspex. I imagine if there was a party of marines that were, for some reason, inspecting your vessel and they came with 40-50m of said armor WITH an auspex then there would be a CHANCE of them recognizing it if it were a techmarine.



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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:26 PM

Kewl Imp said:

I feel so stupid not knowing more about a system. Is auspex only a personal item or can it be a ship mounted to be able to scan another ship.

There is no need to feel stupid, as much as the WH40k universe is rich of details, color and much atmosphere, it is also a kept at a very abstract level concerning e.g. technology. You will never find a detailed description how something works, just for what purpose it is made.

Thus you will always end up with questions like: "Ah man, and how does it really work? I know what is made for but how does it achieve its purpose?"

On the one hand a GM might feel helpless and fears to 'to do something wrong'. On the other hand it gives you to freedom to do nearly everything because nothing is ever clearly explained. And if really a player asks about some stuff you can always say: "Well that's the machine spirit / xenos technology / way of the warp…"

 

Cheers,

  TechVoid.



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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:51 PM

Kewl Imp said:

The suit of power armor in question is hidden away towards the back of the ship away from everything else. I don't know all the fluff that well but so I figured I would ask others with better knowledge. Someone told me that any Space Marine chapter and he focused on Space Wolves saying they would be ruthless and use a skill I couldn't find in the books called Auspex and immediately find the armor on the ship.

If the space marines were actually inspecting the ship, versus just walking through it or visiting, then there is a much greater liklihood of finding it though. For one thing they would be checking manifests against stores. Anything in the hold and not on the manifest would be of immediate interest in this situation and likely warrant further scrutiny.

Use of an auspex would also be warranted in an inspection, versus just being rude for a walk through or visit. While deactivated equipment would be very difficult to detect (all they see is ceramite, plastic, and metal stuff used in innumerable imperial technologies) some things might pique interest. Such as the previous poster mentioned the sub-atomic power core emitting a minute trace of energy or radiation or a xenos trophy on one of the suits made of materials not used by the imperium.

Of course even if just visiting, if the marines walk near space marine technologies readily detectible (twin-linked lascannons are big and might not have been boxed up, and godhammers are primarily space marine tech) they would understandably be interested in why this ship had technology only proscribed to space marines. They would likely then demand to know if the ship had more space marine stuff.



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Posted 29 April 2012 - 04:59 PM

I have a question. Why are Space Marines inspecting a Rogue Trader ship to begin with? That's hardly SOP for them, more in line with the Inquisition since Rogue Traders have a broad mandate.

I also disagree that Astartes would kill on sight seeing Astarte stuff stored. They'd maybe be pissed and as questions, but if a RT found it on a dead ship and recovered it and was in transit (and the RT could convince them that he was going to turn it over to its owners once he figured out who they were) then that's an honorable act that Astartes would approve of.



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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:08 PM

Would they be able to sense hidden suits? No, the Rogue Trader is currently in the clear.

If the chapter hears even the vaguest rumour that the RT has stolen some suits and are modifying them? There is nowhere the Trader can run, nowhere they can hide. Their ship will be reduced to ashes, their dynasty broken, and their shattered remains sent to their next of kin to ensure that everybody is aware of exactly what happens when the battle plate of the Angels of Death are desecrated.



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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:58 AM

Kshatriya said:

I have a question. Why are Space Marines inspecting a Rogue Trader ship to begin with? That's hardly SOP for them, more in line with the Inquisition since Rogue Traders have a broad mandate.

If the Rogue Trader's where passing threw Space Marine controlled areas then they would be inspected by Space Marines instead of the Inquisition.

Kshatriya said:

I also disagree that Astartes would kill on sight seeing Astarte stuff stored. They'd maybe be pissed and as questions, but if a RT found it on a dead ship and recovered it and was in transit (and the RT could convince them that he was going to turn it over to its owners once he figured out who they were) then that's an honorable act that Astartes would approve of.

If I recall my fluff correctly it is actually a crime to possess Astartes technology by any member of the Imperium of Man besides a member of the Adeptus Astartes.  Also, Space Marines have a special charge that they do not leave Adeptus Astartes technology behind when they leave a location.  The only thing that I could think of is if said Rogue Trader had a writ or some other form or paperwork indicating that they where only a currier of said Adeptus Astartes property from on location to another.  Funny thing is that the Adeptus Mechanicus would never allow it.



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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:09 AM

Kshatriya said:

I have a question. Why are Space Marines inspecting a Rogue Trader ship to begin with? That's hardly SOP for them, more in line with the Inquisition since Rogue Traders have a broad mandate.

I also disagree that Astartes would kill on sight seeing Astarte stuff stored. They'd maybe be pissed and as questions, but if a RT found it on a dead ship and recovered it and was in transit (and the RT could convince them that he was going to turn it over to its owners once he figured out who they were) then that's an honorable act that Astartes would approve of.

Well, this is all situational. Space marine chapters are their own independant nation from the Imperium. While it isn't something to be expected (space marine interdiction and inspection), it is well within their rights not just in their own turf but everywhere else. There are a myriad of reasons a space marine cruiser would inspect another ship. A marine demi-company is operating on a planet and their strike cruiser's escort frigate would inspect any ships warping in for security reasons for instance. But that said, I doubt it would be a regular thing for space marines. In other words, the marine's would have a reason, it wouldn't just be, "oh look a ship, lets inspect it."

I agree the marines would not immediately slaughter the crew if astartes equipment was found. We all need to remmeber these guys are smart, really smart, smarter than anyone you know (yes I know they are usually depicted a little dense-blame that on the hollywood trope that strong-guys gotta be dumb). They will not immediately assume the equipment is there illegally, while they will keep that possibility in mind. They would then ask and make inquiries. If the entity, in this case Rogue Trader, had legal purvue to hold it then they'd be fine. If not, they'd exercise their rights and confiscate it. Only resorting to violence if resistance to their authority or actions is met.

Also: Rogue traders have been known to work with the Astartes. For instance, the trader signed up with a crusade and was ordered or offered to transport a number of space marines to a world. Rogue traders also get all kinds of transport 'permissions'. Moving esoteric equipment or being used to covertly transport dignitaries, so it is easily believable a rogue trader would have permission or wont to transport space marine equipment. (Remember, space marines have to get their equipment from forge worlds to their own worlds somehow, and the mechanicus' fleets are mainly exploratory. The Imperial navy and other transport 'companies' most likely take care of a lot of that mundane stuff.)



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Posted 03 May 2012 - 01:29 AM

Some space marine missions end in disaster, with entire squads lost. And even space marine vessels can get lost in the warp, dooming all on board. And who are amongst the most likely people to find lost astartes wargear in lonely planets and hulks?

Yup, Rogue Traders.

So those suits could be in storage until the Rogue Trader figures out what to do with them, keeping them safe from traitors who would desecrate such holy wargear. That reason may even be the truth.






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