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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:18 AM

 Okay, so they are mostly not in the Imperial Guard, but I wonder if there is room in peoples hearts for a Fighter Ace game.

 
Forge World do a 40k air combat minis game:-
 
 
And Dan Abnett wrote Double Eagle, an air combat novel featuring pilots who ARE in the Imperial Guard (the Phantine Air Corps).
 
And here is an Actual Play recording of a Call of Cthulhu adventure where the players play aircrew on a first world war night bombing mission:-
 
 
And the MULA monograph Shadows of War for CoC features the adventure Goodnight Vienna, which is about the adventures of the crew of a liberator bomber who have to bail out over the med.
 
And Flying Mice Games
 
 
make a selection of Fighter Pilot RPGs - Aces in Spades (WWI) Aces and Angels (WWII) and Wild Blue (modern) - which feature:-
 
-Play British, American, German, or French characters.
-Play Army, Marine or Naval characters.
-Troupe Play: Players play three characters, a Pilot Officer, a staff Officer, and a Ground Crewman.
-Honor/Practicality Mechanic: Adds to your chance of success due to your reputation.
-Interest and Notice: You have to accumulate Notice - the approval of your superiors - and add your Interest - your family's political clout - to advance in rank. You are born with Interest, but in order to get Notice, you have to burn with zeal and throw yourself headlong in harm's way.
-Competitive Play: There can be only one Leader. One hero. Is it going to be you, or the guy sitting next to you?
-Voluntary Wounds: You can take wounds for your aircraft, letting yourself be shot rather than something more vital in your fragile little fabric-covered aeroplane.
-New Dogfighting system with 16 important aeroplanes of the Great War on individual Dogfighting Sheets.
 
And there are a number of movies focusing on airborne action:-
 
 
 
 
And air combat video games:-
 
 
So maybe not for an extended campaign, but as a one off scenario...
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:35 AM

 Like you mentioned, the pilots of Lightnings, Thunderbolts, Marauders, even Valkyries- most are from the Imperial Navy, not the Imperial Guard. Also, I'd rather they no use space in the core rulebook on aircraft beyond the Valkyrie and maybe the Vulture or on dogfighting rules. HOWEVER, I would love to see an Aeronautica Imperialis supplement for Only War for running a fighter squadron game. On the other hand, including Imperial Navy personnel wouldn't be the first announcement of non-Imperial Guardsmen in Only War (Commissar, Enginseer, Ministorum Priest, (kinda) Storm Trooper, arguably Sanctioned Psyker).



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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:22 AM

 How about this one?




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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:53 AM

+++++HOWEVER, I would love to see an Aeronautica Imperialis supplement for Only War for running a fighter squadron game.+++++

Oh aye, I'd see it as supplement fodder rather than something to put in the main book. They could even do a supplement focusing on several different war based experiences - so a book containing one aircraft based adventure, one tank based adventure and one submarine based adventure (Das Boot or The Hunt for Red October).

+++++How about this one?+++++

Awesome! Will they be doing an Epic scale version? 



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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:02 PM

Gaire said:

 Like you mentioned, the pilots of Lightnings, Thunderbolts, Marauders, even Valkyries- most are from the Imperial Navy, not the Imperial Guard. Also, I'd rather they no use space in the core rulebook on aircraft beyond the Valkyrie and maybe the Vulture or on dogfighting rules. HOWEVER, I would love to see an Aeronautica Imperialis supplement for Only War for running a fighter squadron game. On the other hand, including Imperial Navy personnel wouldn't be the first announcement of non-Imperial Guardsmen in Only War (Commissar, Enginseer, Ministorum Priest, (kinda) Storm Trooper, arguably Sanctioned Psyker).

Well it does make sense that they're from the Navy not the Army.  It's bad enough giving army hi-tech weapons without having their grubby fingers all over expensive aircraft.

 



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Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:56 AM

I think that whilst true air and space assets do fall under the auspices of the Imperial Navy, any transport is directly attached to the Imperial Guard. In the main instance this will be Chimeras and Valkyries, though other more niche vehicles exist. 

The Imperial Guard and the Imperial Navy exist as two separate entities so that no single-authority has the ability to raise, equip AND transport troops from system to system to wage war at their singular decision. As such there are often bitter rivalries between 'ground-pounders' and 'navy jockeys'. The instance already mentioned of the Phantine, an Imperial Guard regiment raised on a planet that necessitates air travel for all and as such their 'Guard' are in fact pilots, is an exception that proves the rule - Imperial Navy hates not having direct control over them, and while the Guard enjoy having air assets at their command they often don't know how to use them properly.

Overall i'd hope that Only War only briefly covers transport fliers enough for the Valkyrie and maybe some FFG created content to be included, as any more would detract from an already broad setting and would also start to contravene existing canon sources.


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#7 Gaire

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:08 AM

 While you're right on the Chimera, the Valkyrie is actually an Imperial Navy vehicle, crewed by Naval pilots, and under the Naval command structure.



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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:43 AM

While I would love an OW Aeronautica supplement, it does raise the question. So what do you do all the time? From an Rp perspective I find it rather limiting. Normal grunts (even in tanks) have to travel to their objective and do all sorts of missions once there. As Aerojock you sit in your barracks, scramble up and engage the enemy only to return back to base. I can see a couple of scenarios that can be played out, but compared to what you can do with standard grunts this is not much. Of course, you could bring them out of their aeroplanes and let them be grunts. But that is a waste of resources and rather silly.



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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:19 AM

 Top Gun. Tuskegee Airmen. (*sigh*) Pearl Harbor. Red Tails. All... decent movies about fighter pilots that involve more than just "they jump in their planes, fight, and sit in their barracks". Given, as far as combat goes, they're going to prefer being in their planes, which is a whole different kind of fighting than grunt work, but that doesn't mean that each session is just "you get scrambled, fight off some Ork fighta-bommas, and go home to get drunk". Close air support. Combat air patrols. Dogfighting. Recon. Surgical strikes. Strategic bombing. Escort duty, for both ground and air forces. If you have to, make them multipurpose airmen, able to fly a Lightning or a Thunderbolt in air-to-air combat, land, jump in a Valkyrie, carry troops into the fray, return to base, and board a Marauder to bomb some poor SOBs back to the stone age. And aside from the Lightning and the T-Bolt, those are all multi-station aircraft. Weapon officer, bombardier, copilot, gunner, radio operator/navigator- all roles you can fill on a larger bird. I think you're underestimating the versatility of a group of PC pilots.



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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:07 PM

+++++I can see a couple of scenarios that can be played out+++++

So just do those scenarios!

My own preference would likely be to run aeroplane adventures as one offs, at most lasting a couple of sessions. Not every game has to be a campaign lasting years of real time.

So everyone plays a crewman on a Marauder doing a bombing mission over the war-world Reich III (potentially a dambusting mission with bouncing bombs -  ), and you do a couple of fighter attacks on the bomber formations, then the bombing run, then on the way back to base the plane is damaged and drops out of formation, then they get lost, run out of fuel and bail out somewhere they are not expecting to be, then they run in to some kind of supernatural horror on the ground and get eaten. End game and go play something else.



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Posted 17 April 2012 - 05:37 PM

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+++++I can see a couple of scenarios that can be played out+++++

So just do those scenarios!

My own preference would likely be to run aeroplane adventures as one offs, at most lasting a couple of sessions. Not every game has to be a campaign lasting years of real time.

So everyone plays a crewman on a Marauder doing a bombing mission over the war-world Reich III (potentially a dambusting mission with bouncing bombs -  ), and you do a couple of fighter attacks on the bomber formations, then the bombing run, then on the way back to base the plane is damaged and drops out of formation, then they get lost, run out of fuel and bail out somewhere they are not expecting to be, then they run in to some kind of supernatural horror on the ground and get eaten. End game and go play something else.

You actually touched on another facet of an Aviation game that would be very interesting: You and your copilot Goosius are hit and forced to Eject over enemy territory. What now? When you ejected out of your mighty Fury interceptor you had the following Wargear: A voidsuit, a Gravchute (Expended upon touchdown!), a flak vest, a Las Pistol, a knife and a basic survival kit ( A few items useful for survival like matches, medpac etc.). Hopefully your base or carrier will dispatch a rescue craft but until then you must link up with your crew and survive! If rescue is not forthcoming you may have to find your own way home!

BTW: While only war Focuses on the IG I don't think anyone said it was exclusively guard members. Any Tech priest will tell you that they are most certainly NOT part of the guard as would most ministorium Priests (Both explicitely stated as available character classes.)



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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:41 AM

Sure, there are some great ideas to play out. But almost any mission is of neccesity a short one. Because you are out of ammo and fuel after you have fullfilled the mission objective. So, I really am affraid that it would grow repetitive rather quick. Mind you, I would still love to play one, but I doubt that this gamevariant would have much longevity.



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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:47 AM

Or a B.A.T. 21 game; one's the downed pilot, the other are back at base, trying to keep the downed pilot alive and sane with only un-secure vox frequency as life line.



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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:27 PM

I would run the game much like what eas suggested for SM's on another thread. The Squadron's missions would interweave with  other "flashpoints" including possibly Sm's! I would probably try to keep together by useing the "ground war" rules from the Battlefleet Koronus sup. (Unless of course, OW has better large scale [army lvl] rules!



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Posted 18 April 2012 - 03:20 PM

Sister Callidia said:

but I doubt that this gamevariant would have much longevity.

And I am okay with that!

Warhammer has a rich tradition of short fiction, and there are things you can do in a one shot adventure that you can't easily do in a campaign. Kill off PCs at a rapid rate of knots (or end on a TPK) or extensive intra-party conflict for instance. (In a 40k context you can probably only do the unremitting bleakness of a lot of the early fiction in a one off - you might even be able to get away with the Inquisition executing anyone who survives the mission because they have dangerous knowledge!)

Call off Cthulhu in particular has many scenarios intended for one off play rather than as part of a campaign. As well as fitting the horror format well, it allows people to experiment with non-standard parties. There are scenarios where you play Nazis on an archaeological dig in africa, scenarios where you play US navy personnel observing early nuclear tests, scenarios where you play Romans or Crusaders.

So accepting that we may not be playing a game for long, we might be able to try some unusual character types - you could play manufactorium workers trying to survive an Ork invasion, or Titan crewmen, or an Adeptus Mechanicus audit team checking that a researcher hasn't descended in to Tech Heresy.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:03 AM

Great pictures mr Wolf.

And you are right, it would be great for a couple of one shot scenarios.

More aeroplanes above, Dutch ones this time.:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:35 PM

I could do you a spitfire XIV flown by 322 squadron, an all Dutch RAF squadron.

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One game I have played at a con involved taking the parts of officials and revolutionaries in a banana republic. So you had El Presidente, the  generals of the army, the finance minister, sundry rebels etc. I was a general, and when I nipped off for a quick toilet break I came back to discover I had been deposed by a rival faction and took to the hills to become a rebel.

 

For 40k, you could have players take the role of the planetary governor and his top bods, and the revolutionaries and heretics who oppose them. When a run of bad harvests mean the world falls behind on its tithe quota, can the Imperial Commander screw enough productivity out of his already destitute populace to make up the shortfall or will the Tau back revolutionary leader be able to take advantage of the situtation to spark open revolt? Can the PDF suppress the riots or will they be forced to seek outside help and suffer the consequences of their failure? And through it all, how much wealth can everyone involved divert to their own personal off planet bank accounts?

 
Would this be fun long term? Maybe not, but it should make for a good few hours at a convention.
 
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There is mention of (traitor operated) land based carriers in Double Eagle, so I feel confident that the Imperial Naval Air Service often operates from vehicles such as these from Dystopian Wars. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted 04 May 2012 - 04:16 AM

Pelgrane press have just put out Flying Coffins, a scenario for Trail of Cthulhu where you play pilots flying on the western front at the end of the first world war.

http://www.pelgranepress.com/?p=7808

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:13 AM

Love it.

I'm sure when I reading the original description of OW, when it was DH source book, it said it was going to more Military arms than just the IG so shoul have gone into the Navy too. Although I can see that they might not be able to for space reasons now. Hopefully the vehicle rules are going to good enough to cover that part.

Those Dystopian Wars things are interesting, in Apostles Creed (from the Sabbat worlds anthology) they mention mass carriers like it was nothing. Haven't read double eagle so don't if it comes up there but's good target to hit or home base setting.






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