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#1 lleimmoen

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:10 PM

As the last pack of the Dwarrodelf has been announced, what do you guess is coming next?

I remember Khazad-dum was announced right around time of Rhosgobel (third pack) so we may wait a little longer yet... who knows.

I cast my vote for something Elven, hopefully we shall see the area of former Rhudaur being covered.



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 01:21 AM

mmmmm.....my heart yearns for the shire.......but i dont see it coming yet

im not sure- its really an open road though isnt it? i mean FFG have been releasing random traits/themes since the start, so its hard to guess

i mean taking all the rohan cards we got from mirkwood- i would have said that we'd be getting rohan- not khazad dum, but khazad dum we got

id really like to see barrow downs/bree/old forest/shire area all in a cycle- see a lot of hobbits- perhaps half-orc spies in the area, some wights and so on- seeing as the shire's so quiet im interested how theyre going to themetically put in a load of enemies

What im guessing will be lothlorien, as its near moria, so after fleeing the balrog- if that is indeed what we have to do, then we can go down to see galadriel and co. then i dont know- who knows what ffg have in store- perhaps they intend now to follow each pack on? we could end up down the anduin and into rohan, and then onto isengard? or gondor? then morgul vale, then mordor?

i dont see them doing that- its too linear, i see them more jumping about over middle earth.....infact on that point, i dont see any real clues as to what 'release' strategy FFG are going for, but i guess its too early to tell

ps thanks for posting this.....i love these guess whats coming threads.....been wanting to discuss it for ages


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 03:02 AM

 I would love to see the barrow downs as well. And the Old Forest. 



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 03:08 AM

Hm, I guess the shire cycle will come out with the first of the movies and a cycle which leads us to erebor will come out with the start of the second movie.



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:05 AM

muemakan said:

Hm, I guess the shire cycle will come out with the first of the movies and a cycle which leads us to erebor will come out with the start of the second movie.

as stated in another post today- i sincerely hope that FFG takes no ques at all from the films-the films arent the be all and end all of middle earth, and if they are taking the films as a basis for their product then that isnt a good thing at all (apart from the obvious good business sense)


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:17 AM

 THE HORDES OF ISENGUARD!!!!!!!



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:18 AM

richsabre said:

muemakan said:

 

Hm, I guess the shire cycle will come out with the first of the movies and a cycle which leads us to erebor will come out with the start of the second movie.

 

 

as stated in another post today- i sincerely hope that FFG takes no ques at all from the films-the films arent the be all and end all of middle earth, and if they are taking the films as a basis for their product then that isnt a good thing at all (apart from the obvious good business sense)

richsabre said:

muemakan said:

 

Hm, I guess the shire cycle will come out with the first of the movies and a cycle which leads us to erebor will come out with the start of the second movie.

 

 

as stated in another post today- i sincerely hope that FFG takes no ques at all from the films-the films arent the be all and end all of middle earth, and if they are taking the films as a basis for their product then that isnt a good thing at all (apart from the obvious good business sense)

Yes, but Films=Exposure=Sales=Profit=FFG Wanting to Keep Making the Game. I wouldn't dismiss the idea too quickly.



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:24 AM

indeed- and as i said its top business sense, but from a personal view, i bought this game in the first place becuase it took no indications from the film (well a few obvious artwork ones) but apart from that i loved the fact that it went on the books and that alone

if ffg were on thier knees and about to fold then what the hell - go for it, but i see no immeditate need for them to jump aboard pj's money wagon

anyways- if they brought out the shire soon id be over the moon anyways


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:30 AM

 This game needs more Hobbit stuff...we have two heroes, granted, but Hobbit allies are subpar at best. There are some really cool non-hero cards (like Fast Hitch) that i'd love to use more...However, I think Lorien is a fair guess, although the South and Mordor (along with Gondor) could also be a possibility.



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:43 AM

yeah....i d like to see ithillien too, get some rangers in....and maybe a picnic into morgul

dol amroth should have some epic tactics cards

though i think we wont see the south for a while yet......im sticking with my original prediction- lothlorien/great river with something else- i dont think the golden forest has enough 'stuff' to make it a deluxe and a 6 cycle .....i mean weve got enemies from moria near- but weve just been there so ffg are gonna do that, then weve got fangorn and the brown lands nearish


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:20 AM

Looking at it based on what we've got so far, I think something Elvish is definitely a good bet. Khazad-dum has given us dwarf cards, and Dwarrowdelf, from all the official announcements, is set to give us dwarf and elf cards, so to bookend that, it makes sense (to me) to produce something with an Elven theme. Maybe after all our ferretting around in Moria for Elrond, we get to gambol back to Rivendell and make a report. I don't know. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of scope for adventure in that, however.

Seeing a card like Good Meal in Redhorn Gate got me thinking that they must be poised to give us more hobbits, though, and hopefully we won't get the bland "wandering took" type this time. Making a Shire-themed box though seems to pose the same problem as a Rivendell box (to me) - isn't the Shire meant to be a place where nothing bad has happened, where the hobbits just got on with their lives until the scouring near the end of the trilogy? I can't remember now, but aside from wanting the player cards, there doesn't seem (to me) to be the opportunity for much adventure there. Maybe this is why I'm not a game designer, though!

All this talk of iconic locations has got me thinking though - will we likely be seeing any player location cards? AGoT and W:I include such things as support cards, providing bonuses etc while they're out in play. The idea of setting Rivendell down to provide all your Elf chaps some sort of bonus, much like Khazad! Khazad! does for dwarves but with a bit more permanency, does appeal to me. Well, we'll see I suppose...


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:23 AM

player location cards----interesting...........mmmm

anyways..the shire..i think it would have to include the places that i stated- old forest and barrow downs and possibly bree......so theres plenty of scope of adventure there


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:44 AM

I think there is a hint in what you two (or more) are saying: the Shire, nothing is happening, but in fact that meant that Rangers were busy, so perhaps it won't be Shire (when that comes) but the surroundings and the Dúnedain but with some nice Hobbit cards in the mix. What do you think?

And yes, there have been a few hints toward the Hobbit theme but I GUESS it is not going to happen just yet, I really think (and hope) Elves are due now. Lothlórien is a good guess, makes sense as it is close to Moria. Rivendell is being mentioned in this cycle though, so that could be. And the surroundings of Rivendell are just as busy as the Shire perhaps, even with the cooperation between the Elves and Dúnedain. And the Goblin camps are nearby in the Misty Mountains, trolls are raiding in close range from Trollshaws up to Ettenmoors, and further still must be still some evil lurking left from the times of the Angmar realm.



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:56 AM

good points....i think theres plenty to go on----

weve got Sarn Ford which the rangers hold and the nazgul later break

also saruman was sending his servants into the shire too

there are wights sent from the witch king to the downs, and evil trees in the old forest (old man willow...what an enemy he is)

there are spies in bree, and bill ferny

we know wolves have a habit of coming into the shire

there is cirdan and his havens not a million miles away

dwarves from the blue mountains are passing the shire on their travels

elves are departing and passing through the shire ways

 

i agree with rivendell...plenty there with the trollshaws and ettenmoors, and mount gundabad to the north

and weve got all eregion to explore which ive heard is just lovely in the summer months :P


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 08:37 AM

And logisticaly, it would not be unwise if these two were to come in succession, after Mirkwood followed by Moria, we can get Rivendell area followed by Shire area... the good thing about the latter two is that there are so many iconic places around. If Moria and the Road to Rivendell (and back again - aparently) are good enough for a deluxe plus six packs, I think Eriador is well set for at least 2 deluxe and 12 regular expansions.

The only problem with this logic may be that if we get one theme after another from this part of the world, the other factions (like Gondor especially) may seem very neglected and their heroes and allies lacking on synergies.



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 08:41 AM

agreed....however ffg have been rather randomly releasing allies to and fro all over the place...i mean rohan got ALOT of love in mirkwood, so maybe even if we see the shire, perhaps a random such as gondor or dale will get some love....i suppose you could link them in

dale had dealings with the shire for a while after bilbo's return

gondor and the dunedain are related

gondor and arnor are related and the shire was part of arnor

the links are there---not that they need to relate- i didnt see any answer for the rohan allies- the closest we got to it was emyn muil east wall


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 08:46 AM

Too true. I know this was not a problem before. I for some reason thought of Gondor who beside the heroes (which are great) only got 3 allies (one of which is sh*te, guess which). But we really are in the very beginnings (hopefully they won't prove me wrong by running into bankruptcy).



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 08:53 AM

I'd also vote for the Shire and its surroundings. No urge in moving south yet. There's room to create some adventure around ether the spies, maybe a quest to thwart Saruman's plans on seizing the Southfarthing's herb plantations...

But I actualy believe they'll want to send us toward the Lonely Mountain soon. They'd be crazy to not try to link with the upcoming movies (doesn't mean they'll follow it, but they can build on the momentum while retaining their independant creative freedom). There are plenty of adventures to be had in this area; we know Sauron eventualy tried to corrupt the dwarven kingdoms and they were under attack during the war of the rings; there are bound to be some scouting adventure possible during the timeframe covered by the game.



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 08:54 AM

yeah guard of the citadel is terrible- i assume you mean him other wise there must be 2 aweful ones

thing is, when they release these random allies from far off areas, what happens when we get to these areas? i mean take rohan for instance, which must be an deluxe at some point seeing its importance...now will ffg have a hard time bringing out more rohan cards when we finally get there?

khazad dum wasnt a problem- we didnt have many dwarves at all, but mirkwood may as well have been called rohan/eagle cycle

obviously theres plenty to do on an entire country, but still, people may be a little sick of rohan allies by the time we get there (or maybe if they leave it long enough it will work out- which is probably what theyll do)

 


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:50 AM

I want to do a post on terrible cards. Guard will be there, first place likely. I wrote about him shortly after the release, and you know some cards age well, this guy has only gotten worse in my view, he is no way. And there are bad cards with nice theme but this Citadel Guard has defense of 0! And (not to offend the artist) I quite dislike the picture and scratch my head why this card got on the cover of the box.

Yes, I believe they should put Rohan further off. Of course I would like to see Éomer and especially Théoden (I have a hunch he will be great fun to play, perhaps having some sort of kingly effect as Dain has) but I see it would be unfair to further expand on their realm before other factions will have grown in power.






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