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#1 rugal

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 06:27 AM

I was wondering, for the ones who haven't bought (or keept in my case) the first descent, and willing to use older miniatures.

Will there be a miniature package?
or is it obliged to buy all the ancien descent, knowing almost half of the component will be unusefull (cards, tiles, characters sheets, tokens ... ?)

Hope figure will be sold appart.

Am i dreaming ?



#2 Steve-O

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 12:24 PM

rugal said:

I was wondering, for the ones who haven't bought (or keept in my case) the first descent, and willing to use older miniatures.

Will there be a miniature package?

They haven't made any official announcements to that effect, although looking at all the Lovecraft monsters and investigators being sold separately, I'd say it's not impossible.  They might even make pre-painted sets available.

 

You can expect to pay through the nose if they actually do this, of course.

rugal said:

or is it obliged to buy all the ancien descent, knowing almost half of the component will be unusefull (cards, tiles, characters sheets, tokens ... ?)

You're not "obliged" to buy anything.  You don't NEED the old 1e figures to play 2e.  The base game comes with more than enough heroes and monsters to play, and there will surely be more in expansions to come (I figure it's a fairly safe bet 2e will have at least a couple of those.)

If you're a compulsive collector who feels like he MUST own everything if he's going to own anything, that's your problem, not FFG's.  (I say this as a reasonably compulsive collector myself, mind you.)  Anyway, I'm reasonably certain there will be fan-made variants to use the rest of the 1e stuff in 2e games, even if FFG doesn't convert it themselves.



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Posted 22 January 2012 - 11:28 PM

I don't think making bag of figure is so expensive.

All off them would have been done for disapering, so ?



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Posted 23 January 2012 - 12:13 PM

rugal said:

I don't think making bag of figure is so expensive.

All off them would have been done for disapering, so ?

Running off a series of plastic miniatures is a fairly expensive process, from what I understand.  (Especially pre-paints.)  It may be true that making the mould is the most expensive element, and those are already done, but the material still isn't cheap.  Plastic is an extract from crude oil, after all, and one look at the gas pumps should tell you oil ain't cheap.

When the minis are packaged in a board game, the cost gets absorbed into the whole product.  Paying $80-$100 for a gigantic board game may not seem like much when there's all these cardboard fiddly bits to go along with the plastic elements, but that doesn't mean the cost is evenly divided among the components.

Thus, when minis are packaged individually, they seem more expensive than they "should be," when really the price is right about spot on.

The Arkham Investigators are nearly $100.00 for a set of 48 figures (pre-painted, mind you.)  There were a total of 38 heroes in Descent and expansions.

Plus 6 from DQ

Plus 4 promos

Plus 6 from Zanaga (assuming they make the set truly complete)

That's 54 figures.  Now, I don't know exactly how much pre-painting adds to the production costs, but you're probably still looking at $60-$80 for a full set of unpainted 1e heroes.  And that's not even counting the LTs.



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Posted 23 January 2012 - 02:19 PM

The 6 heroes in Mist of Zanaga were available with the stats for Descent?



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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:45 PM

Endevor said:

The 6 heroes in Mist of Zanaga were available with the stats for Descent?

No, he was posing a hypothetical scenario there.



#7 Steve-O

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 01:28 AM

Endevor said:

The 6 heroes in Mist of Zanaga were available with the stats for Descent?

No, that's why I added "assuming they make the set truly complete."  Even without those 6 figures (total of 48 in the set), my point stands:  it isn't impossible (given that they are marketing similar miniature packs for other games), but it wouldn't be cheap if they did it for Descent.



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Posted 24 January 2012 - 03:01 AM

plastic not the only solution.

there's metal, and thurthermore : resin. So running out is not a good idea i think.

more if you think the second edition will have new molds, figures, and all.

so, why not again ?



#9 Mestre dos Magos

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 07:33 AM

It all comes down to one thing: will FFG get any profits from it?

I wouldnt rule out the possibility of those minis coming back into packages, specially if Descent 2nd sells well (which I think has a good possibility)

 



#10 Steve-O

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:11 PM

rugal said:

so, why not again ?

I never said they wouldn't do it.  I just said it would be expensive if they did.



#11 rugal

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 11:34 PM

no one from FFG can light us on this possibility (or not ?)



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Posted 25 January 2012 - 12:57 AM

Mestre dos Magos said:

It all comes down to one thing: will FFG get any profits from it?

I wouldnt rule out the possibility of those minis coming back into packages, specially if Descent 2nd sells well (which I think has a good possibility)

They need to be wary of this though.  If someone buys the conversion kit, then ends up duplicating on some of this stuff because they are released as part of another expansion later on down the line, they'll be (rightly so) a little miffed...

The only true way of doing this is to make two kits:

Conversion kit as written now

Conversion kit containing all of the above PLUS all plastics - this would retail at the $200 mark I reckon  :)



#13 Mestre dos Magos

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 02:15 AM

I dont see any problem, if they sell the convertion kit, and later, a monster kit (monster plus cards), specially if they are releasing packages of the first edition monsters.

The convertion kit is mainly for people who already have first edition, I have all expansions so I will surely buy that.

 

If they end up mixing and matching, it would be better if they package them according to first edition expansions, so people could buy the monsters+cards they missed on first edition...

 

 



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Posted 19 September 2012 - 08:45 PM

well it's been a few months since the release of both the 2nd ed base and Conversion Kits.

Any news on "monster packs?"



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Posted 30 October 2012 - 02:49 AM

 Ive read most threads considering those minis and in all of them it seems the manufacturing costs are greatly exaggerated. My son can buy a plastic bag of 20-30 single coloured plastic animals or dinosaurs for about 2 euro. What's that, like 3 dollars? and those are pretty much the same level of detail as the figures I got in descent. 



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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:25 AM

Wrapped said:

 Ive read most threads considering those minis and in all of them it seems the manufacturing costs are greatly exaggerated. My son can buy a plastic bag of 20-30 single coloured plastic animals or dinosaurs for about 2 euro. What's that, like 3 dollars? and those are pretty much the same level of detail as the figures I got in descent. 

Well, produce proxies at that price and I will buy them.


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#17 Steve-O

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 03:43 PM

Wrapped said:

 Ive read most threads considering those minis and in all of them it seems the manufacturing costs are greatly exaggerated. My son can buy a plastic bag of 20-30 single coloured plastic animals or dinosaurs for about 2 euro. What's that, like 3 dollars? and those are pretty much the same level of detail as the figures I got in descent. 

They can also run off thousands of those things at a time.  Manufacturing in bulk can do wonders to cut costs.  Plus, I don't think it's the same type of plastic, if they're the same as the ones I've seen over here.  (Personally I think I'd like that kind of plastic better since it's harder, but I'm assuming FFG has a reason for the kind they chose.)

I can't speak for other threads, but the numbers I was quoting up above in this thread were based on the actual prices FFG is currently selling miniature packs for in other game lines.  I think it stands to reason any 1E monster packs would be sold at a similar price, if FFG did decide to make such a thing.  Maybe a bit cheaper if they aren't pre-painted (like the actual examples I was using are), but I doubt it would be a lot cheaper.



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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:44 AM

Wrapped said:

Ive read most threads considering those minis and in all of them it seems the manufacturing costs are greatly exaggerated. My son can buy a plastic bag of 20-30 single coloured plastic animals or dinosaurs for about 2 euro. What's that, like 3 dollars? and those are pretty much the same level of detail as the figures I got in descent. 

Problem solved.  Borrow a few dinos from your son -- T. Rex or Raptor can proxy for Lieutenants, Bronto for a Crypt Dragon, etc.  No need to buy those expensive FFG minis.

Dino 1: Yes… Yes… This is a fertile land and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land and we will call it… This Land.
Dino 2: I think we should call it your grave!
Dino 1: Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Dino 2: Ha ha ha, mine is an evil laugh, now die!



#19 bent1982

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:46 PM

 I think if they brought them out, I know i would buy them but would rather them be unpainted. 






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