Jump to content



Photo

How does your group choose races?


  • Please log in to reply
29 replies to this topic

#1 Bowelbag

Bowelbag

    Member

  • Members
  • 11 posts

Posted 06 September 2011 - 03:08 AM

 We draw numbers (1-8 depending on # of players). Highest number (1) can either choose the speaker token or draw 3 random race cards and pick 1.  If you take the speaker, you pick races last, if you take the races first, you pick strategy cards last. We play 6-8 player games so we found this to help balance the highest number and the worse. If you take the speaker, all races will have likely been drawn at least once leaving you with the leftovers. 

 



#2 KelRiever

KelRiever

    Member

  • Members
  • 24 posts

Posted 06 September 2011 - 05:40 AM

There's no tremendously satifactory way we've come up with, other than to say we like choosing races with a degree of randomness and not letting people pick whatever they want ( the exception was with the new expansion, since we had 3 people pick one of the new factions, and nobody knew what they did when they picked them.

1.  We have either just done completely random, but that led to some unhappiness, so we went to

2.  Pick one faction at random.  If you don't like it, you get one 'mulligan' but you must accept the second race you choose at random.

#2 has worked out pretty well for us and that's what we've been doing.



#3 Mighty Maltim

Mighty Maltim

    Member

  • Members
  • 110 posts

Posted 06 September 2011 - 09:34 AM

In our group, everyone draws 2 races and then selects which of the pair they'd like to use. Occasionally, we'll all just go through the stack and pick out a race that hasn't made it into the rotation in a while, to keep things fresh.

And Ysarril is banned.



#4 SFRR

SFRR

    Member

  • Members
  • 124 posts

Posted 06 September 2011 - 12:03 PM

 We play with pre-set and agreed upon maps meaning that the group has to come to a more-or-less unanimous consensus on approving the map before we start playing.

Next, everyone secretly writes down their 1st Great Race choice, if there are no duplicates, each player receives the Great Race choice they wrote down.  For players making duplicate choices, they each draw 3 random choices one at a time (returning the unchosen ones to the "pool" before the next player draws), with the last player getting 4 random draws.

Then we randomly assign Home System locations.  The player who gets "Home System 'A' (or "1") is the first speaker and draws the 1st Strategy Card, then we proceed clockwise from there.

 


(SFRR) aka Siferr Stark


#5 KelRiever

KelRiever

    Member

  • Members
  • 24 posts

Posted 06 September 2011 - 12:31 PM

 Well, we shall see.  You obviously feel strongly about them not being powerful, but I'm not going to get into a 'theory' war on the internet about it.  I'll say I'm open to considering they are not so great due to number of games I've seen them in.  But they've been excellent from what I have seen. I'll admit that it takes someone who knows what they are doing to play them.   It isn't a good faction for a person learning the game.



#6 Steve-O

Steve-O

    Member

  • Members
  • 4,609 posts

Posted 06 September 2011 - 12:58 PM

We usually just draw entirely at random, everybody gets what they get.  No races are banned.

None of us are overly concerned with nit-picking the mechanical benefits of one race versus another.  We don't fuss over the "quality" of starting fleets and stuff like that.  We just play the game to have fun (and we usually don't actually finish anyway.)

Edit: I do recognize that the Yssaril are probably the most powerful race in the game, but I don't feel the gap is wide enough to stop using them on that principle.  There are enough races to choose from that we don't have to worry about Yssaril being there in every game, spoiling the fun for everyone who isn't them. =P



#7 Fnoffen

Fnoffen

    Member

  • Members
  • 543 posts

Posted 06 September 2011 - 07:54 PM

We pick 2 and choose 1 of those.

After everyone has chosen a race, we randomly distribute the home systems around Mecatol Rex for starting positions.

We then roll a d10 each and highest will be speaker. If 2 or more are tied for highest, reroll among them until one has highest.


Pax Magnifica Bellum Gloriosum


#8 Sakes

Sakes

    Member

  • Members
  • 13 posts

Posted 06 September 2011 - 09:53 PM

Usually we get 2 and chosse one, then rool for speaker - very standard it seems

 

Then we wanted to try something new

we divided the races into 3 pools, first pool with 3 races, second with 5 or 6 and the rest in the last.

each player would then pick a pool. if they pick pool 1 they get 3 trade goods, pool 2 gives 1 trade good and pool 3 gives 0.

when everyone have chosen a pool we roll to see who gets to pick first. if more people chose the pool, than there are races in it, then the last players to pick move up a pool and pick after the players in that pool, however still gaining the TG's from the pool they joined first.

this rewards players for randomness

we've only actually tried it once - so it might need some tweaks



#9 wootersl

wootersl

    Member

  • Members
  • 123 posts

Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:13 PM

I take one race token from each race and put it into a bag, shake and each person picks out a token and that's the race they play.



#10 apbevan

apbevan

    Member

  • Members
  • 60 posts

Posted 08 September 2011 - 05:29 AM

 I take all the home systems and shuffle them.

I then deal them to the players until there is not enough to go around.

Each player picks one and discards the rest.

 

I like the idea of rolling a d10 and giving the speaker token to the last pick and arranging seating order back up the picking chain so that the first race pick gets last strategy card.



#11 SFRR

SFRR

    Member

  • Members
  • 124 posts

Posted 08 September 2011 - 05:42 PM

 The thing I like much better about our system (previously posted above) is that I have played a different race every game (12 total games, well, except I have played Fed of Sol twice), and most of our group wants to try new races each time.  Our method more or less ensures that a player who has never played a given race, and wants to try them out, will get the race they have never played.


(SFRR) aka Siferr Stark


#12 Weltenreiter

Weltenreiter

    Member

  • Members
  • 15 posts

Posted 11 September 2011 - 02:37 AM

At least in smaller groups we just choose them. In principle my favorite method, game takes sufficiently long that one shouldn't play something one doesn't actively want. Minor repetition to develop a feel for a race is fine, I may object to more than 3 or so in a row because same cast makes the table feel kinda stale. Personally I currently specifically avoid repeating a race (unless i really misplay/misluck them and want a do-over). Sometimes we even adjust game options used to specific race wishes (recent example: "I want to see fully developed Adv Fighter Naalu on the table for more than a half-turn, lets do Long War".)

For now, races who are practically based on ruining everyone elses fun (and are thus interesting to have at the table occasionally, tiresome to have frequently) like Yssaril or Virus didn't tend to be picked, so we didn't have to adapt the "choosing is fine" method to them.

With new players around, we usually poll them for interests (based on Master of Orion races, gameplay mechanics or setting elements from other games, or whatever source helps) and suggest/assign corresponding races to them. Alternatively, they look through race cards and pick one with the image they find coolest, heh.

Infrequently just did draw 3, choose one, but not recently.

Actually, we have used pretty much all of these, mixed, at the same table before.



#13 CrowOfPyke

CrowOfPyke

    Member

  • Members
  • 82 posts

Posted 05 October 2011 - 08:41 AM

The group I play with is all pretty new to the game, so we just pick randomly from the homeworld tiles facedown.

 

I can imagine going to a "randomly pick one with a mulligan if you don't like the first pick" rule later on as we get more familiar with the different races and their abilities.



#14 jboweruk

jboweruk

    Member

  • Members
  • 85 posts

Posted 09 October 2011 - 01:39 AM

I'll  be choosing my races based on their rule sets. My plan is to use this alongside a 40k based idea I have, and the races are to be chosen based on who they're rules are closest to.

for example Sol will be 40k Imperial Guard and Naalu will represent Dark Eldar (hight initiative and rather underhanded).



#15 Count Jondi

Count Jondi

    Member

  • Members
  • 36 posts

Posted 31 December 2011 - 01:04 PM

why would you ban the yssaril? If it is because you belive them to be over-powered, the L1ZIX Mindnet is far more powerful. and otherwise i probably can come up with a reason for how any other (except Xxcha) race is just as potent.

 

 



#16 Steve-O

Steve-O

    Member

  • Members
  • 4,609 posts

Posted 01 January 2012 - 03:01 AM

Count Jondi said:

why would you ban the yssaril? If it is because you belive them to be over-powered, the L1ZIX Mindnet is far more powerful. and otherwise i probably can come up with a reason for how any other (except Xxcha) race is just as potent.

The main reason that most people consider Yssaril to be the most powerful race (by a significant margin) is because of their ability to "skip" actions, which allows them to stall until everyone else has passed and then take whatever actions they have remaining when nobody else can react.  That combined with their unlimited hand size for action cards (allowing them to stockpile "use as an action" cards that they can later burn in between "skips" on a critical turn) can be really powerful.

It's a subtle effect, but it can be devastating in the hands of a player who knows how to use it.  Those who ban the Yssaril obviously feel that this is game breaking. I acknowledge that they are a powerful race, although I've never felt them so powerful that they require being banned.



#17 Sakes

Sakes

    Member

  • Members
  • 13 posts

Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:08 AM

 I'm thinking of trying to give every player 5-6 TG's (or something) fromt he start of the game. they get one race pr default but can buy additional to choose from for 1-2 TG's each. 

lets say you just want the one race to choose from, you would get 6 TG's
if you instead want to choose from 4 different races, you don't get any TG's

ofcourse all race sheets should be handed out simultaniously, so you couldnt just buy additional if you didn't get what you wanted the first/second/third time



#18 AsthmaticTurtle

AsthmaticTurtle

    Member

  • Members
  • 11 posts

Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:14 AM

 My friends and I put all the systems in the middle face-down and draw. If we REALLY don't like it, we can mulligan, but you can always mulligan if you've been the race before (there's still a few races that very rarely get into games. Somehow, Muaat I think is in every single game we play). I really like the idea of writing down the one you want to be, and going from there if more than one person wrote the same race down.

As far as the Yssaril discussion goes, I think they were the best race pre-expansions, but you could make a VERY good case Sol takes that spot post-expansions.



#19 Aeonim

Aeonim

    Member

  • Members
  • 34 posts

Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:29 AM

We are still experimenting with techniques of how to choose races.

What we've done the last couple times is the following:

1) Everyone has +1 Political Card

2) All homeplanets are facedown on the table

3) Speaker is chosen randomly

4) Everyone, starting with the speaker, chooses 1 system-tile.

5) Those who are not satisfied with their race, may, again in order, pay 1 Political Card to choose a 2nd system tile.

The player may then choose between the too.

6) This goes on until everyone is either satisfied, or noone has PCs anymore (which cannot happen in 6-8 player games)

 

Players then have to choose from their hand of systemtiles, without revealing their choices.

 

Then we decide on the mode of galaxy-setup we want to use, but I guess that's a different topic :)

 

Alternatively, we skip the extra PC, and just do two rounds of picking. Three only if we're <=5 players and everyone chose races they already played at least once. Since PCs are equivalent to TradeGoods, we rather use PCs for this, since they have much more fun-potential, and are often burnt in the first two turns for economy-boosts anyway. Which is a little sad after all.

Maybe for a new expansion (*coughcough*) it would be interesting to force more PCs to stay in the game by some means.

 

We're still in a phase where everyone wants to try out everything at least once, and I guess that phase is rather long anyway with over a dozen races ;)



#20 Brine

Brine

    Member

  • Members
  • 296 posts

Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:32 PM

I deal out 3 races to each player, and the two remaining to myself. Once everyone has chosen, I deal out a 3rd one to myself from those not chosen. Then I choose my race.






© 2013 Fantasy Flight Publishing, Inc. Fantasy Flight Games and the FFG logo are ® of Fantasy Flight Publishing, Inc.  All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Contact | User Support | Rules Questions | Help | RSS