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#1 Mighty Jim

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:52 PM

lets forget for a moment, the idea of adapting this game for it to be P vs P, and accept that we're stuck with Co-op. Simple Question:

If FFG announced a mirror game where players co-operate as the Empire to crush game-controlled Rebels, which would you buy?

  • Play as Rebels (the game they've actually announced)
  • Play as Empire
  • Both
  • Neither


#2 Darthvegeta800

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 11:42 PM

Empire.

Not going to buy this. Was excited at first, then I read it forced you to play the Rebels (or space terrorists! ;) )

So... thanks but no thanks.



#3 spirit

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:02 AM

Initially I'd probably play as the Rebels. It always feels more honest that but. Eventually though I would have the imps as well. I always love the bad guys :) 



#4 Doom1502

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:41 AM

Rebels. I'm not playing as a racist regime... I don't care how much mightier the ISDs look ;)



#5 Adam

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 01:43 AM

Playing as Empire would make a terrible co-op.  The only way I could see making it challenging would be if they added a realistic aiming system where all your stormtroopers had to roll a 1 on a 20-sided die to hit.



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Posted 05 August 2011 - 02:57 AM

I would play Empire. Don't like the rebels. Which makes it almost certain that I won't have much interest in this game.



#7 I. J. Thompson

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 03:13 AM

 Rebels. I buy Star Wars games for the 'film experience'.


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#8 jgt7771

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 03:52 AM

First of all, I reject the notion that I am "stuck" with co-op, since I wouldn't be interested in this at all if it were PvP (AGAIN).  Been there, done that.

Second...all the players would team up as the Empire against whom?  The ragged band of freedom fighters who spent MOST of the trilogy hiding?  So every player puts out their own Star Destroyer, fleets of TIE Fighters, battalions of Troopers...and the "evil" Encounter deck puts out...what?  A squadron of X-Wings, a Medical Frigate, and a tribe of Ewoks?  If there's going to be any kind of actual CHALLENGE here, the "evil" Light Side would have to put out massive amounts of firepower...and now it's not Star Wars.

Finally, I've played with a lot of "Dark Side" Players over the years, and the one thing they aren't is cooperative.  They don't want to SHARE glory; they want it all for themselves, by their deck, by their hands.  The power of the Dark Side is absolute, and the galaxy will be theirs and theirs alone.  An Empire Co-op would be doomed to solitaire.

I think I'll trust FFG just this one time, and vote Rebels.

 


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Posted 05 August 2011 - 03:55 AM

jgt7771 said:

First of all, I reject the notion that I am "stuck" with co-op, since I wouldn't be interested in this at all if it were PvP (AGAIN).  Been there, done that.

Second...all the players would team up as the Empire against whom?  The ragged band of freedom fighters who spent MOST of the trilogy hiding?  So every player puts out their own Star Destroyer, fleets of TIE Fighters, battalions of Troopers...and the "evil" Encounter deck puts out...what?  A squadron of X-Wings, a Medical Frigate, and a tribe of Ewoks?  If there's going to be any kind of actual CHALLENGE here, the "evil" Light Side would have to put out massive amounts of firepower...and now it's not Star Wars.

Finally, I've played with a lot of "Dark Side" Players over the years, and the one thing they aren't is cooperative.  They don't want to SHARE glory; they want it all for themselves, by their deck, by their hands.  The power of the Dark Side is absolute, and the galaxy will be theirs and theirs alone.  An Empire Co-op would be doomed to solitaire.

I think I'll trust FFG just this one time, and vote Rebels.

 

 

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#10 Toqtamish

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 04:29 AM

Empire, Hutts, Separatists or any other Dark Side they decide to do would be who I want to play as.



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Posted 05 August 2011 - 04:33 AM

I don't see why bounty hunters couldn't be in a rebel deck. Everyone sees them as the bad guys but they're just working for the highest bidder. Or whoever happens to have hired there services. The Rebellion was not beyond commissioning their services from time to time. 



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Posted 05 August 2011 - 04:45 AM

I'd play rebels.  I always lean towards the light side, and I think the way this game is set-up sounds fun.

jgt7771 said:

Second...all the players would team up as the Empire against whom?  The ragged band of freedom fighters who spent MOST of the trilogy hiding?  So every player puts out their own Star Destroyer, fleets of TIE Fighters, battalions of Troopers...and the "evil" Encounter deck puts out...what?  A squadron of X-Wings, a Medical Frigate, and a tribe of Ewoks?  If there's going to be any kind of actual CHALLENGE here, the "evil" Light Side would have to put out massive amounts of firepower...and now it's not Star Wars.

Finally, I've played with a lot of "Dark Side" Players over the years, and the one thing they aren't is cooperative.  They don't want to SHARE glory; they want it all for themselves, by their deck, by their hands.  The power of the Dark Side is absolute, and the galaxy will be theirs and theirs alone.  An Empire Co-op would be doomed to solitaire.

I think I'll trust FFG just this one time, and vote Rebels.

 

I agree that the original trilogy would have this effect.  Now I'm going prove how little I know about the EU.  Isn't there a time when the sith are the underdog, and they're plotting ways to gain power?  There could be a game based in the prequel trilogy where you are using your resources to undermine the senate without them realizing.



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Posted 05 August 2011 - 04:57 AM

Kiwina said:

There could be a game based in the prequel trilogy where you are using your resources to undermine the senate without them realizing.

Ooooo...Star Wars Prequel Diplomacy.  That isn't a bad idea.  But I would bet that a game of Embargoes and Gungan Attacks is NOT what the Dark-Siders railing against this co-op want to play.


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#14 MarthWMaster

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 07:08 AM

I. J. Thompson said:

 Rebels. I buy Star Wars games for the 'film experience'.

Same answer, and for the same reason.


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#15 PWBrian

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 07:20 AM

 Rebels.  I don't think co-op gameplay fits the Empire thematically.  As has been said, the Empire isn't struggling against impossible odds to defeat the Rebellion.  Co-op works best when the odds are against you, and the odds are against a moisture farmer with silly hair.

Now, if FFG wanted to make a game taking place in another era, that'd be a different story.  There's a lot of room elsewhere in the timeline for the "bad guys" to be the underdog.



#16 jhaelen

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 10:40 AM

Mighty Jim said:

If FFG announced a mirror game where players co-operate as the Empire to crush game-controlled Rebels, which would you buy?

I'd stop buying the version Rebel version and would henceforth buy neither since I would then get the impression that FFG was only interested in milking the license and not in producing a game that represents what their customers ask for and want.



#17 john_nld

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 09:23 AM

at some point I think PVP would be a good idea to get as an extra.

I see this one as a kind of WoW TCG against the raid deck. You play together to win and at the side I think there should be a possibility to play pvp.

 

however that is really hard to incorporate so first get that rebel scum out en get the engine as good as possible. Then FFG can look further to what fans want.

 

Oh I play rebels anytime

 



#18 Squid89

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 03:37 AM

Rebels for me.  The only way I would want to play Empire in a co-op is if it were set in the Imperial Remnant against the New Republic, or Roan Fel's empire against the Sith.  The EU is much harder to sell to a wide enough audience until the game line is well established though so these won't be possible for years.

In a PvP game, I would play various dark side groups, but for the most part relate more to the Rebels - the underdogs.



#19 Budgernaut

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 06:50 PM

 Bounty Hunters! I need that scum!

But seriously, I usually play Dark Side and my twin, Parakitor, plays the light side (I guess I'm the evil twin!). That's the way it went down with the old Decipher game. So I'll admit that I was a little bummed when I found out that there was no Empire play in this one. When I saw the box, it brought back those feelings I had when I first opened the Decipher SWCCG starter set as a child. But that feeling of disappoint with the lack of a Dark Side quickly vanished when I realized that this was a great opportunity to explore the strategies of a faction that I have largely ignored my entire life.

So to finally answer the question, I'd get the Rebel version for a change of pace and for the reasons mentioned previously (i.e. a co-op Imperial game doesn't really work with the Star Wars mythos).


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#20 yagyu

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 01:13 PM

In a PVP game im always open to playing any faction, if by choice then i usualy choose Darkside, if it was a multi faction pvp setting lets say

New Republic
Yuzhaan Vong
Empire
Rebelion
Republic
Confederacy
Old Republic
Sith
Hutt Cartel
Bounty Hunters guild
Black Sun
Karddes Smugglers Alliance

And any others i cant recall at the moment lol

 

man now that i put all those potential factions in its a very tough choice. hmmm

I think id alternate between Empire decks, Bounty Hunter decks and Sith decks. I have always had multiple decks and always enjoyed deck building and customization just as much if not sometimes more so then playing the game.

While i love the Coop format, (still love the pvp more, but coop is a nice fresh alternative) I think the coop format suffers from lack of competitive deck building. I mean with PVP u have to constantly be making new decks and changing strategies based on the decks that your opponents are playing. It puts much more emphasis on the whole customizable card game deck building. With coop well, with LOTR i just throw in some of the new power cards and cut some of the stuff i never use. There isnt too much thought, Usually im just adjusting 3-5 cards per adventure pack if even that depending on what the adventure pack focuses on. Theres no real drive to try and make the ultimate deck to decimate my opponents, theres no challenge to building a deck, not sure if that the right word but im sure u know what i mean lol

 

But yeah back on topic id prolly end up playing my empire deck most as gaming companies always tend to make the empire the strongest military wise.






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