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#1 JerusalemJones

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 10:45 AM

The though occured to me while reading a different thread about how far FFG intends this game to encompass the SW universe. Will the game be focused on the original triliogy, will future expansions introduce the prequels, or even the Expanded Universe to the game? How will that affect players' perceptions of this game.

If we look at the A Game of Thrones LCG, for the first 6 years of the game, it focused exclusively on the characters and events of the series. Then they started to introduce characters that died years before the books began, and this upset some players. It took away from the idea that people were playing out the setting in the story. How can characters whose deaths were responsible for the current settting still be actively engaged in controlling that setting? Over time that sentiment has passed, but it was a big issue when it first happened, and still irks some players.

Now, the SW universe is huge. There is cannon that involved thousands of years of history. How will that be represented in this game? Should the game focus exclusively on just the original trilogy, or are we going to see Padme' hanging out with Luke and Leia? And Leia's children? Or any of the characters from KotR?

I tend to think that, for the most part, this game will focus primarily on the OT, though it may encorporate pieces from the fiction that took place in that time. If the focus is Rebels vs. Empire, it's not like they have much of a choice (although one could argue that Thrawn(?) could still be part of this universe).

So what about the rest of the SW:EU? Perhaps there will be future deluxe expansion or cycles that focus on particular settings, or we'll see different card games that focus on them. That's sort of the big question, isn't it? There is just so much to this universe, how do you settle on what to include?

And there is one more thing to consider here: does FFG have the rights/ability to add to the EU? Is it possible that part of their license could allow them to create new material for the universe that, at least in a general way, is part of the cannon? Or at least, acceptable in this format? Imagine the creative team at FFG designing a whole new set of characters and missions that occured outside of known events but are completely reasonabe to have occured in the setting. I hope that this last part is true, because I would desperately love to see more options for this game than just having to follow what has come before.



#2 MarthWMaster

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 11:02 AM

I think they made the right decision in sticking to the Original Trilogy in the base game. Even those like myself who appreciate the Prequel Trilogy will generally concede that the Original Trilogy is superior, and it's what the majority of Star Wars fans grew up with.

That being said, I can easily see them eventually expanding from the Rebellion era. As you say, it would probably be smartest to introduce a new Deluxe Expansion each time a new era is explored, be that Old Republic, New Republic, or what-have-you. Cards should be interchangeable, but players who prefer to stick to canon can restrict themselves to only building decks that occupy the same era. When you sit down to play a game, you bring two decks with you: your Era X deck, and your Era Y deck, because you don't know which mission and era the group will decide upon that evening.

Finally, I hope this is not too far off-topic, but I am perfectly fine with AGoT decks that use characters who are dead from the beginning, just as I am fine with decks that use characters who die during the books. After all, when you sit down to play a game of AGoT, you are not "playing" the books, but creating your own story. What if Eddard had never supported Robert's revolt against King Aerys? What if Robert hadn't said the wrong name to Cersei on their wedding night? Events play out differently depending on how players' decks interact with each other. The same could be true of Star Wars (especially given the series of "Infinities" comics dedicated to exploring the What If? questions of the saga), though I see it as being a bigger problem due to the much wider scope in time. But I love Knights of the Old Republic and would prefer to see some of that canon end up represented in the game one day.


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#3 ImmortalJedi

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 12:05 PM

First off, count me among the SW fans who are very excited about the LCG and the X-Wing minis game.

A thought about the different eras in the SW universe....maybe an icon will be printed somewhere on the card that defines the era. Then there could be different game rules or game types that will have players focus on one era, or let players mix eras if they choose to?



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Posted 02 August 2011 - 12:45 PM

I think an expanded universe expansion would be cool Id really like to see stuff out of Shadows of the Empire.



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Posted 02 August 2011 - 01:03 PM

I signed up here today after reading the news about the upcoming LCG. Honestly, I'm really glad they're starting with the original trilogy and that was a smart idea. However, mostly I am interested in a lot of the EU aspects.

I'm almost guessing that they'd have to be divided sets altogether. The first being the original series, then perhaps the prequels, then for example KotoR, and maybe the more recent FotJ series. All over  a great amount of time of course.

 

Alas, what do I know? I'm just excited for the new game and potential it has.



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Posted 02 August 2011 - 02:22 PM

I'd really like to see Expanded Universe stuff as long as it is within the time period.  I'm sure many would like to see Mara Jade, but she would have to be on the Empire's side.  I am ashamed to admit I still haven't read Shadows of the Empire, but I'm familiar enough with it to want to see it in the LCG if they have the rights to it.



#7 MarthWMaster

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 07:23 PM

ImmortalJedi said:

 

A thought about the different eras in the SW universe....maybe an icon will be printed somewhere on the card that defines the era. Then there could be different game rules or game types that will have players focus on one era, or let players mix eras if they choose to?

 

 

I like this idea. It's probably too late to do anything about the cards in the Core Set, but for future expansions, they could use the same symbols as those on the publishing eras found on Star Wars novels and comics.
 


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Posted 02 August 2011 - 08:29 PM

well, I would really like Old Republic stuff eventually - sith empire, mandalorian wars, Darth Nihilus etc..., ;

only portion of starwars universe that I really hope they are going to forget about is that silly clone wars cartoon...and peace loving pacifist mandalorians that came with it...



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Posted 03 August 2011 - 02:50 AM

Personally I'll be happy if they end up covering OT, PT and EU, however I think it's sensible to start with the OT, I think that's the mistake WOTC made in focusing too much on the PT (but then they may have been forced to by Lucasfilm)



#10 MarthWMaster

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:51 AM

I don't know if this constitutes blasphemy, but I've found myself appreciating the Old Republic era more than the Rebellion era. In other words, somehow the Star Wars era upon which the series' creator has had the least influence on ends up being my favorite. So that being the case I do hope they eventually expand to other eras of the continuity.


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#11 pocoyo_joe

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 04:59 AM

MarthWMaster said:

I don't know if this constitutes blasphemy, but I've found myself appreciating the Old Republic era more than the Rebellion era. In other words, somehow the Star Wars era upon which the series' creator has had the least influence on ends up being my favorite. So that being the case I do hope they eventually expand to other eras of the continuity.

 

LOL no it's only blasphemy if you prefer Empire Strikes Back over Return of the Jedi ....

While I grew up with the Rebellion era, I do love the Old Republic era as it feels very Victorian to me. It's like the Clone Wars are the Great War and the Galactic Civil War is the Second World War. And the Victorian period appeals to me no end, especially new slants on it like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (I mean the graphic novels not the film).

As for the very Old Republic  (ie Knights of the Old Republic era) that's kind of the medieval and Roman eras of SW really.



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Posted 03 August 2011 - 08:36 AM

pocoyo_joe said:

MarthWMaster said:

 

I don't know if this constitutes blasphemy, but I've found myself appreciating the Old Republic era more than the Rebellion era. In other words, somehow the Star Wars era upon which the series' creator has had the least influence on ends up being my favorite. So that being the case I do hope they eventually expand to other eras of the continuity.

 

 

 

LOL no it's only blasphemy if you prefer Empire Strikes Back over Return of the Jedi ....

While I grew up with the Rebellion era, I do love the Old Republic era as it feels very Victorian to me. It's like the Clone Wars are the Great War and the Galactic Civil War is the Second World War. And the Victorian period appeals to me no end, especially new slants on it like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (I mean the graphic novels not the film).

As for the very Old Republic  (ie Knights of the Old Republic era) that's kind of the medieval and Roman eras of SW really.

 

What??  You're kidding right?  Empire Strikes Back is far superior to Return of the Jedi!  (Back in high school, my A.P. Literature teacher even showed us Empire Strikes Back in class to analyze.)

As for hoping for the Expanded Universe in this LCG, I'm not holding my breath but I would be ecstatic if it eventually happened.  The Old Republic is my favorite era of Star Wars history, especially the time period where Bastila Shan and Darth Revan were prominent.  I was always a little disappointed that the card games focused only on the movie eras (though I can understand why they need to).  Thankfully the miniatures game covered all the eras, and I managed to collect all my favorite heroes and villains.  I hope the LCG eventually hits all aspects of the expanded universe as well.



#13 JerusalemJones

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 10:41 AM

pocoyo_joe said:

LOL no it's only blasphemy if you prefer Empire Strikes Back over Return of the Jedi ....

There's someone who saw "Clerks."



#14 MarthWMaster

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 05:20 PM

I wonder if the lure of the dark side, and the threat it poses to Luke Skywalker when he is brought before the Emperor, is something that might be explored in this game?


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#15 borithan

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 09:50 PM

Frankly the less we see of the daftness that is the Expanded Universe (Heir of the Empire trilogy excepting) the better. It would also be cool if FFG could just retcon the entire Clone Wars to actually be cool... but then that's not going to happen.

Personally if they produced only products set during the original trilogy and the "Rebellion Era" that would be cool. It has the best story, the best visual style, the best ships, the best characters and would fit my personal preference of pretending the rest of the junk doesn't exist. Now, I don't expect that to happen, but it certainly looks like they will be focussing on it for the first elements.



#16 spirit

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 09:58 PM

I think given the obvious focus of the two snippets we have so far that it's fair to believe that it's all going to be original trilogy for probably the first year at least. 



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Posted 03 August 2011 - 10:19 PM

JerusalemJones said:

pocoyo_joe said:

 

LOL no it's only blasphemy if you prefer Empire Strikes Back over Return of the Jedi ....

 

 

There's someone who saw "Clerks."

 

 someone got my reference, although if I'm honest I do agree with Randall rather than Dante on the whole Empire/Jedi debate

Empire may be a better film in terms of it being a work of art, however Jedi is a better Star Wars film (it terms of it being more in the spirit of the original Star War film), if that makes any sense



#18 Adam

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 01:50 AM

 The opening of Jedi is enough to make up for any amount of muppets.  I'm with you.



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Posted 04 August 2011 - 03:50 AM

Adam said:

 The opening of Jedi is enough to make up for any amount of muppets.  I'm with you.

How did muppets become something one has to make up for?  I will gladly take muppets over cartoons any day.



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Posted 05 August 2011 - 01:47 AM

They didn't bother me, but people do complain about it.  






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