Cynical Cat said:
Any critique of Mechanicum that says it has no plot is simply not credible.
I found no identifiable plot. Why would you baselessly insult my credibility?
Cynical Cat said:
I don't have an issue with someone not liking it, but calling a hate filled rant against a review isn't honest.
It didn't pen a 'hate-filled rant' thank you; rather a reasoned critique of what i saw as a technically incompetent piece of writing.
I'm not sure i actually expressed an opinion as to whether i liked or disliked the book.
As to my honesty, I don't appreciate the unwarranted insult. I shall rise above it however.
*****CURSE THE LACK OF MULTI-QUOTING*****...grr...
Duluhan said: The main plot was that of the civil war in the Mechanicum,
Is that a plot or a situation?
Duluhan said: the strange choosing of sides and what was up with the noosphere stuff.
Choosing of what sides, by whom? I couldn't see clairty in any of that really. And crucially in terms of a plot, choosing for what purpose?
I really saw little in terms of either Aristotolean or Freytagian concepts of plot.
As for the noosphere...well...i still don't really understand what that is and i've read all the HH novels so far up to Mechanicum. Can someone explain it to me? What is it? What's its significance?
Duluhan said: The one engineer - the woman I believe.
Is that the Dahlia character of one of the other 'name on a page' characters? I really had no idea who was who.
Duluhan said: Not to mention the Creed differences on the Emperor's divinity vs the Omnissiah.
Yes this sort of thing was what i was really excited to be reading about, but i really don't recall much of this key tension and plot/narrative at all. With the secular Emperor gradually losing ground to dogmatic faith during the crusade i think its a key part of the narrative progression of the whole series, and given the tensions we all argue about in terms of the AdMech (knowledge/faith) i was really hoping to see this explored. I didn't get it at all in Mechanicum.
What did that book tell us about either view? I must have missed it...
Moving on though.
Duluhan said: I disagree on the Mechanicum being fundamentally human
Now that's interesting. With the drive in progression through the AdMech towards giving up the flesh in favour of the machine, i see that as a key HUMAN dichotomy. People who are willing to give up their flesh. Surely that's an excellent 'human' narrative?
And in roleplaying terms it has precedents: the cycberpsychosis issue at the heart of Cyberpunk, the degenerative loss of Humanity in Vampire the Masquerade, the loss of sanity in Call of Cthulhu, etc. All key narrative tensions that i see this willing embraceing of the blessings of the Omnissiah being a part of.
And in light of that...
Duluhan said: I always got the impression that they were a very different sort
Fair enough, but i think the fact that they AREN'T a 'different sort'; that tech-priests are human, or at least begin their journey that way, makes for a far more interesting story (and indeed roleplaying opportunity).