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#1 SonofDorn

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 07:30 AM

Where is the Jericho Reach in relation to the Calixis Sector? I don't recall seeing it anywhere and I was curious as to where it would be.


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#2 numb3rc

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 09:41 AM

 I'm pretty certain that it has never been mentioned before. I'd actually think that it's a ways away from the Calixis sector but still in Segmentum Obscurus. After all if an Imperial crusade was close then the Calixis sector would be required to supply large amounts of men like for the Margin crusade yet nothing is mentioned.

Of course, it could be downright anywhere. I'm just guessing here.



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Posted 01 March 2010 - 10:44 AM

    If not near the existing locales of DH & RT, at least in the same Segmentum would be my bet. 



#4 Brd. Maximilian

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 05:28 PM

Maybe in the north/spinward of Calixis, where the Margin-Crusade was lunched a few years ago. 



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Posted 03 March 2010 - 11:49 PM

Brd. Maximilian said:

Maybe in the north/spinward of Calixis, where the Margin-Crusade was lunched a few years ago. 

I have a vague recolection of the name "Jericho Reach" appearing in a designer diary a while back for DH or RT, I think it may have been in conjunction with the MArgin Crusades... in any event, it would be very strange for where ever it is located to suddenly be far from Calixis and its surrounds which is where all the other products are placed and the various storylines are centered.

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#6 Brd. Maximilian

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 12:20 AM

In the RT Rulebook, there is the Jericho Pilgrim Vessel, possible it has a link to the Jericho Reach...? 



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Posted 04 March 2010 - 12:38 AM

Raith said:

 

I have a vague recolection of the name "Jericho Reach" appearing in a designer diary a while back for DH or RT, I think it may have been in conjunction with the MArgin Crusades... in any event, it would be very strange for where ever it is located to suddenly be far from Calixis and its surrounds which is where all the other products are placed and the various storylines are centered.

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Makes sense...Maybe the Jericho Reach is the location of the Margin Crusades? We know from the DW writeup that it's an area of space undergoing Imperial pacification...it would be cool to see a setting which is "mid way" between unexplored space (the Koronus Expanse) and settled Imperial Space (the Calixis Sector.) 

Plus it means you get to deal with interesting characters like Warmasters. Lords Militant, Lord Inquisitors accompanying the campaign etc etc... Lots of juicy Imperial politicking, arguing over which planets go to which organisations etc etc...



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Posted 04 March 2010 - 01:59 PM

I've always been curious if the Margin Crusade would be expanded on and putting it in here was a rather elegant way of doing it.

Also, I do recall that the Inquisitor's Handbook has a Disciples of Thule bg package, and in Rogue Trader bam, Disciples of Thule are everywhere.

It would make sense if they used a background package as foreshadowing again "Soldier of the Margin Crusade" Package.



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Posted 06 March 2010 - 11:56 AM

This is taken from the Dark Heresy timeline, released as an Apocrypha download by BI:

784.M41 The Margin Crusade is Launched: Under holy writ by the Synod Obscurus and taking place far to the Calixis Sector’s Spinward
border, a crusade is launched into the Margin region beyond the light of the Astronomicon to the galactic north. The Calixis Sector is
called on to provide troops and material to the ongoing effort and grudgingly complies. Thirty years later the crusade still grinds
bloodily on.

It seems likely since the Crusade is still going on at the start of most DH games.



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Posted 06 March 2010 - 07:56 PM

Three points that make me doubt the Jericho Reach Crusade is the Margin Crusade.

1 - The name.

2 - The fact the description in the DD suggests the Jericho Reach Crusade is just beginning, whereas the Margin Crusade has been going on for decades. That's of course assuming DW is set at the same time as the other two games - but I firmly expect that would be the case so there can be character and campaign crossover.

3 - The several mentions of Tyranids being amongst those enemies pcs could meet in DW. Tyranids in Obscurus? Doubtful.



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Posted 06 March 2010 - 08:33 PM

Why not, the date of Deathwatch can be earlier then in DH and RT, then the Crusade just start... The problem with the Tyranids, look into Creatures Anathema and into the 5th Edition Rulebook from the Tabletopgame.  



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Posted 06 March 2010 - 08:41 PM

Brd. Maximilian said:

Why not, the date of Deathwatch can be earlier then in DH and RT, then the Crusade just start... The problem with the Tyranids, look into Creatures Anathema and into the 5th Edition Rulebook from the Tabletopgame.  

Creatures Anathema features Lictor's alone (and genestealers iirc), but makes it clear the 'nid fleets are a looong way away.

Yes DW might be set at a different time to the other two games ... but I strongly doubt that will be the case for the reasons I mention above.

 



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Posted 07 March 2010 - 12:38 AM

Adam France said:

3 - The several mentions of Tyranids being amongst those enemies pcs could meet in DW. Tyranids in Obscurus? Doubtful.

*cough, cough* apocryphal mentions of Hive Fleet Tiamat storming Thracian Primaris (neighbour Scarus Sector) in M35 *cough, cough*



#14 Adam France

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 02:26 AM

TorogTarkdacil said:

 

Adam France said:

 

3 - The several mentions of Tyranids being amongst those enemies pcs could meet in DW. Tyranids in Obscurus? Doubtful.

 

 

*cough, cough* apocryphal mentions of Hive Fleet Tiamat storming Thracian Primaris (neighbour Scarus Sector) in M35 *cough, cough*

 

 

Sorry, which timeline specifically are you referring too there, I just checked the DH Apocrypha timeline and there's no mention of that?

That would be a major surprise not only per the galactic region, but for the fact Tyranids were as far as I knew completely unknown until they attacked in 745.M41 (Codex Tyranids is extremely specific on that point).



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Posted 07 March 2010 - 02:28 AM

Could be the 'Access Denied' sector in the map in the core book...



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Posted 07 March 2010 - 02:45 AM

Adam France said:

TorogTarkdacil said:

 

Adam France said:

 

3 - The several mentions of Tyranids being amongst those enemies pcs could meet in DW. Tyranids in Obscurus? Doubtful.

 

 

*cough, cough* apocryphal mentions of Hive Fleet Tiamat storming Thracian Primaris (neighbour Scarus Sector) in M35 *cough, cough*

 

 

Sorry, which timeline specifically are you referring too there, I just checked the DH Apocrypha timeline and there's no mention of that?

That would be a major surprise not only per the galactic region, but for the fact Tyranids were as far as I knew completely unknown until they attacked in 745.M41 (Codex Tyranids is extremely specific on that point).

A very vague reference is made to what he's talking about in the 3rd edition codex.



#17 Adam France

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 03:16 AM

Atheosis said:

 

Adam France said:

 

TorogTarkdacil said:

 

Adam France said:

 

3 - The several mentions of Tyranids being amongst those enemies pcs could meet in DW. Tyranids in Obscurus? Doubtful.

 

 

*cough, cough* apocryphal mentions of Hive Fleet Tiamat storming Thracian Primaris (neighbour Scarus Sector) in M35 *cough, cough*

 

 

Sorry, which timeline specifically are you referring too there, I just checked the DH Apocrypha timeline and there's no mention of that?

That would be a major surprise not only per the galactic region, but for the fact Tyranids were as far as I knew completely unknown until they attacked in 745.M41 (Codex Tyranids is extremely specific on that point).

 

 

A very vague reference is made to what he's talking about in the 3rd edition codex.

 

 

Ah yes, just found a reference on Wickipedia. Seems a bit like outdated info that has been superseded by later books to me, I can't see how a hive fleet could get to the capital of Scarus Sector without first carving a swathe from the galactic rim for example? Then assuming they could, how were they stopped, when other fleets were only stopped by Imperium level efforts?

I'd guess as I say, that's old info, before today's version of the 'nids and their activities was fully fleshed.

Certainly in the canon setting, as I understand it, at 815.M41, the 'nids are assumed by the Imperium to be extinct, and any hypothetical lost or surviving splinter fleets are right over the other side of the galaxy.



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Posted 07 March 2010 - 04:13 AM

Adam France said:

Atheosis said:

 

Adam France said:

 

TorogTarkdacil said:

 

Adam France said:

 

3 - The several mentions of Tyranids being amongst those enemies pcs could meet in DW. Tyranids in Obscurus? Doubtful.

 

 

*cough, cough* apocryphal mentions of Hive Fleet Tiamat storming Thracian Primaris (neighbour Scarus Sector) in M35 *cough, cough*

 

 

Sorry, which timeline specifically are you referring too there, I just checked the DH Apocrypha timeline and there's no mention of that?

That would be a major surprise not only per the galactic region, but for the fact Tyranids were as far as I knew completely unknown until they attacked in 745.M41 (Codex Tyranids is extremely specific on that point).

 

 

A very vague reference is made to what he's talking about in the 3rd edition codex.

 

 

Ah yes, just found a reference on Wickipedia. Seems a bit like outdated info that has been superseded by later books to me, I can't see how a hive fleet could get to the capital of Scarus Sector without first carving a swathe from the galactic rim for example? Then assuming they could, how were they stopped, when other fleets were only stopped by Imperium level efforts?

I'd guess as I say, that's old info, before today's version of the 'nids and their activities was fully fleshed.

Certainly in the canon setting, as I understand it, at 815.M41, the 'nids are assumed by the Imperium to be extinct, and any hypothetical lost or surviving splinter fleets are right over the other side of the galaxy.

There are various creative ways one could adapt such material.  That said, I highly doubt FFG will do so.  It is, as you say, rather out of date.



#19 Peacekeeper_b

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 06:41 AM

Adam France said:

Atheosis said:

 

Adam France said:

 

TorogTarkdacil said:

 

Adam France said:

 

3 - The several mentions of Tyranids being amongst those enemies pcs could meet in DW. Tyranids in Obscurus? Doubtful.

 

 

*cough, cough* apocryphal mentions of Hive Fleet Tiamat storming Thracian Primaris (neighbour Scarus Sector) in M35 *cough, cough*

 

 

Sorry, which timeline specifically are you referring too there, I just checked the DH Apocrypha timeline and there's no mention of that?

That would be a major surprise not only per the galactic region, but for the fact Tyranids were as far as I knew completely unknown until they attacked in 745.M41 (Codex Tyranids is extremely specific on that point).

 

 

A very vague reference is made to what he's talking about in the 3rd edition codex.

 

 

Ah yes, just found a reference on Wickipedia. Seems a bit like outdated info that has been superseded by later books to me, I can't see how a hive fleet could get to the capital of Scarus Sector without first carving a swathe from the galactic rim for example? Then assuming they could, how were they stopped, when other fleets were only stopped by Imperium level efforts?

I'd guess as I say, that's old info, before today's version of the 'nids and their activities was fully fleshed.

Certainly in the canon setting, as I understand it, at 815.M41, the 'nids are assumed by the Imperium to be extinct, and any hypothetical lost or surviving splinter fleets are right over the other side of the galaxy.

Officially. But who is to say that "we fought some strange xenos near the Jericho Reach" doesnt realy mean "Ah heck, Nids!"



#20 Adam France

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 06:47 AM

Peacekeeper_b said:

Adam France said:

 

Atheosis said:

 

Adam France said:

 

TorogTarkdacil said:

 

Adam France said:

 

3 - The several mentions of Tyranids being amongst those enemies pcs could meet in DW. Tyranids in Obscurus? Doubtful.

 

 

*cough, cough* apocryphal mentions of Hive Fleet Tiamat storming Thracian Primaris (neighbour Scarus Sector) in M35 *cough, cough*

 

 

Sorry, which timeline specifically are you referring too there, I just checked the DH Apocrypha timeline and there's no mention of that?

That would be a major surprise not only per the galactic region, but for the fact Tyranids were as far as I knew completely unknown until they attacked in 745.M41 (Codex Tyranids is extremely specific on that point).

 

 

A very vague reference is made to what he's talking about in the 3rd edition codex.

 

 

Ah yes, just found a reference on Wickipedia. Seems a bit like outdated info that has been superseded by later books to me, I can't see how a hive fleet could get to the capital of Scarus Sector without first carving a swathe from the galactic rim for example? Then assuming they could, how were they stopped, when other fleets were only stopped by Imperium level efforts?

I'd guess as I say, that's old info, before today's version of the 'nids and their activities was fully fleshed.

Certainly in the canon setting, as I understand it, at 815.M41, the 'nids are assumed by the Imperium to be extinct, and any hypothetical lost or surviving splinter fleets are right over the other side of the galaxy.

 

 

Officially. But who is to say that "we fought some strange xenos near the Jericho Reach" doesnt realy mean "Ah heck, Nids!"

Sure, that would work as an individual GM conceit. Abnett did something similar in one of the Ravenor novels iirc. However, I wonder if FFG will set up the use of 'nids across the board in that way. 

I suspect if 'nids are pitched as a big part of the game that will mean the setting will be nearer their officially accepted stomping grounds. 

All guess work at the moment of course. 






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