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#1 ducky185

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 10:31 PM

So looking at the Deathwatch description page we have the following :

Tactical, Assault, & Devastator Marines, Librarians, Techmarines as well as Apothocaries.

What happened to the venerated Chaplain? Wouldn't a squad of Marines dropped into hostile territory need the confidence of a Chaplain?

Do they even exist in the GW background?

I know this game seems at first look to be combat orientated, but DH and RT seem to fit the same sort of character types in sucessfully.

Why not this one?



#2 TorogTarkdacil

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 11:32 PM

ducky185 said:

So looking at the Deathwatch description page we have the following :

Tactical, Assault, & Devastator Marines, Librarians, Techmarines as well as Apothocaries.

What happened to the venerated Chaplain? Wouldn't a squad of Marines dropped into hostile territory need the confidence of a Chaplain?

Do they even exist in the GW background?

I know this game seems at first look to be combat orientated, but DH and RT seem to fit the same sort of character types in sucessfully.

Why not this one?

I think that Chaplain will be featured in some expansion (with plently of faith and rabble-ehm sorry I mean chapter-rousing abilities) and don´t worry, they are still in GW backround :-)



#3 Brd. Maximilian

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 02:59 AM

We must see foreward for a Players Guide,  , there can be a chaplain probably inside...



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Posted 28 February 2010 - 04:11 AM

Chaplains Maintain the chapter's faith and purity they watch for corruption and heresy could any chapter be so pure where they would willingly risk there souls



#5 Barl

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 09:00 AM

If you look at back under the "description" of the Rogue Trader page it doesnt describe all the classes, only Rogue Trader, Navigator, Arch-Militant, Astropath and Missionary. So Scenshal, Explorator and Void-Master was left out.

Therefore I would think they have left out at least a single Career, maybe even more. Also the Chaplain just fits well and it also seems like there is missing some sort of Sneaky and Brainy career path.

What those could be I dont really know, seeing as Scouts are junior marines and really cant see what type of marines arent there. Maybe the Brainy part will be covered by librarian, and I could see the Chaplain covering the Fellowship skill speciality.



#6 Giaus Novus Khan

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 03:19 PM

Barl said:

I could see the Chaplain covering the Fellowship skill speciality.

LOL!  Why do I think of the Chaplain's application of all Fellowship skills along the lines of:

 "BROTHER MARINE - SERVE THE EMPEROR - HONOUR YOUR PRIMARCH, YOUR BATTLEGEAR AND YOUR BROTHERS - DEATH IN HIS SERVICE IS THE GREATEST REWARD!"

Subtle;)



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Posted 28 February 2010 - 03:53 PM

If there aren't any in the book it's because there aren't any in the background/wargame. You could only ever take a librarian or captain.

I assume this is because a chaplain will be from ONE chapter whilst everyone in the kill team will be from multiple. Can you imagine a Wolf Priest ministering to a Black Templar and Ultramarine? Although that might be funny and good RP it wouldn't really work. Their belief systems are too different. Salamander Chaplains belong to the Promethean Cult and like to burn each other for fun. I can imagine the pretty boy blood angels disliking the idea of having to have burn scars applied to their face to show their purity...

 

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#8 TS Luikart

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 03:55 PM

Ben Counter has a fascinating take on a chaplain in his Grey Knights series - sort of a combination of a father confessor / mentor / old voice of wisdom. Very interesting and not at all the "KILL EVERYTHING IN THE EMPEROR'S NAME!" take that many have suggested would be the way to play one.

Back in, what was it Dark Millenium days(?), Chaplains were typically exemplars of the values of a given Chapter... which does make them somewhat problematic for the Deathwatch.



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Posted 28 February 2010 - 05:34 PM

Up until this announcement there were really only three types of Deathwatch:

Deathwatch Captains
Deathwatch Librarians
Deathwatch Marines (Bolters, Heavy Bolters, the odd Special or HTH weapon)


Now we've got DW Apothecaries, Dev, Assault and Techmarines. Oh, and Terminators. I think that's a pretty good expansion of the existing fluff.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 09:00 PM

Oh yeah terminators could be Career, but maybe that will just be part of the standard career progression for some of the other Career paths



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Posted 28 February 2010 - 09:39 PM

Probably just equipment with maybe a prerequisite or two (Terminator Honours, a Talent for training in how to use Terminator Armour, etc.).

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#12 Superscope

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 10:13 PM

Most likely in a future expasion or just not metioned yet we would see the following:

  • Deathwatch Chaplain
  • Deathwatch Scout Vetrean
  • Deathwatch Captain


#13 fimarach

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 01:39 AM

If I remember my fluff right (and it has been years since I read up on Deathwatch) there are no Chaplains in the Deathwatch.



#14 TorogTarkdacil

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 02:46 AM

I think that at the time of Deathwatch RPG and new Steve Parker NOVEL about Deathwatch (or so they say...:)) there will be a huge expansion on our knowledge of Chamber Militant of Ordo Xenos. Don´t forget the Deathwatch dreadnought in Headhunted short story!

Next expansion should cover Chaplain and Scout Veteran (c´mon, who don´t like Sergeants Naaman and Tellios?)



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Posted 01 March 2010 - 05:45 AM

TorogTarkdacil said:

 Don´t forget the Deathwatch dreadnought in Headhunted short story!

    Dreadnoughts! I knew we were forgetting something! Forget the Chaplains Brothers! This is the thing we want.



#16 mac40k

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 06:00 AM

Aajav-Khan said:

TorogTarkdacil said:

 Don´t forget the Deathwatch dreadnought in Headhunted short story!

 

    Dreadnoughts! I knew we were forgetting something! Forget the Chaplains Brothers! This is the thing we want.

Since Dreadnoughts are basically marines that would be dead if not housed in the Dread sarchophagus, are kept in status and only revived when needed for combat, and we presume this game is going to be more than a series of combat encounters, D'noughts would not make for very good PCs.



#17 Aajav-Khan

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 06:26 AM

mac40k said:

 

 

Since Dreadnoughts are basically marines that would be dead if not housed in the Dread sarchophagus, are kept in status and only revived when needed for combat, and we presume this game is going to be more than a series of combat encounters, D'noughts would not make for very good PCs.

     Yes, I know but you can always dream . Maybe not as basic career but as an Elite Advance. Much like the "Cybernetic Resurrection" from the Inquisitors Handbook. The principle is the same. Get blown to bits serving the God-Emperor. Fall into torpor. Wake up in a room full of Tech-Priests with all sort of strange symbols flashing in your sight. "Only in death does duty end".



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Posted 01 March 2010 - 10:50 AM

I persoanlly would like to see Chaplains as a Deathwatch class and I don't think their is a reason to miss them.

Most Deathwatch personal are selected for the role either by Chapter or other Deathwatch.  I am sure that when the Deathwatch a Chaplian they would draft from a chapter who presents an orthodox or middle ground view or they an individual who is able to ratify all the disperate "cults" of the Astartes.

Its the same as with Priest irl, some might be staunch traditionalists but their is a growing number out their who recognise that if their religion is valid perhaps all religions are valid so they take on a more relaxed stance.

It would mean of course that some chapters would never provided Chaplians to the Deathwatch (i.e. the Black Templars) but lots of those chapters would be carefully scrutinzied anyway before entry as often their wide beliefs would make it difficult for thier Marines to even work with other chapters.

As an aside iirc while he wasn't a Chaplain in position in the first CS Goto Deathwatch book thier was a Black Templar who essentially filled the role of Chaplain for the DW Kill Team exposing the virtues of the Emperor and acting as religious council for the other DW Marines despite some of them being Psykers.

I would also like to see Veteran Scouts... or maybe the Astartes Scouts that some chapters (like the Wolves) field, full battle brothers who have mastery infiltration as thier means of For the Emperoring.

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#19 Kanluwen

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 10:51 AM

'Veteran' Scouts are normal 'Veteran' Astartes...wearing Scout ballistic carapace.



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Posted 02 March 2010 - 04:42 AM

fimarach said:

If I remember my fluff right (and it has been years since I read up on Deathwatch) there are no Chaplains in the Deathwatch.

 

Read again, there are Chaplains in Deathwatch. They take any Marine who is good enough to kill Xenos

Only thing is that there are many different ways and point of views in different, even in successor chapters religion. Some worship Emperor as God like Ecclesiarchy teaches and others that He was great man but only man notheless. Iron Hands have stronger connections to Adeptus Mechanicus than Ecclesiarcgy and that's why they don't have Rosarius but equivalent they get from Techpriest of Mars.

For different names and roles Chaplains play in chapters. Example Iron Father in Iron Hand's chapter is Chaplain/Techmarine. And Space Wolves Wolf Priest is Chaplain/Apothecary.

Even if you don't have Chaplain as a choise in Deathwatch when it come's out you could always make one of your Marines trained in medic or oratory.


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