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#61 I. J. Thompson

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 08:14 AM

While I can appreciate that some people would prefer a series more focused on "muggles", I also realize that a majority of fans want or need to see Jedi. And lets face it, Jedi sell. They could probably do a very good series around the "muggles", but I doubt it would be as popular. At the end of the day they want something that will appeal to a broad audience, otherwise the series will, in all likelihood, get pulled. And I'm sure no fans want that.

 

That was always my worry with the now-abandoned, 'Sopranos-esque' live action series they were working on before the Disney sale. A Star Wars story needs at least some of that mystical, heroic element to be Star Wars... you can only watch so many people get thrown into rancor pits.  :P



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Posted 15 February 2014 - 11:06 PM

I don't mind some Jedi, Sith, or Dark Siders. I'm just worried it will turn out like the latter seasons of The Clone Wars where IMO in later seasons the series seemed to become more about the Jedi than the namesake conflict, They could have done great stories focused on the actions of Jedi during the war, and they did do that some but they also gave us things like the Force Ghost Arc, the character butchery of the last arc, and the return of Darth Maul plus tying Maul and Dathomir together which I feel added nothing to the story and made no sense. I still have trouble understanding why they did a five season series focused on the Clone Wars but never thought to so us the development of The Kenobi Offensive, or at least a use of it., Especially after they used the Marg Sabl Closure maneuver from Heir to the Empire in Storm over Ryloth.  



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 02:18 PM

I liked the last Maul storyline at least. It made him seem more like he was worthy of the "Darth" title than being merely an assassin.


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 04:07 PM

So according to some Toyfair images, it can be confirmed that Ezra's going to become a Jedi (or at least get a lightsaber of his own) and there's a female Mandalorian by the name of Sabine that's one of the good guys.

 

http://www.newsarama...-fair-2014.html

 

http://www.starwarsu...rian-armor.html

 

http://www.ign.com/a...bels-characters


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 05:29 PM

Interesting. I'm more interested in Agent Kallus myself than the Pink Ranger Mandalorian.


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 05:47 PM

Sabine looks pretty young. It's entirely possible she could be Bo-Katan's daughter and thus niece to the late Satine Kryze, and perhaps named in honor of her.



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 07:59 PM

I also think that Sabine is Bo-Katan's daughter, named after Satine.    Agent Kallus could be a very interesting character, at least I hope he is - I expect him to be the Admiral Zhao of this series.


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 08:11 PM

So according to some Toyfair images, it can be confirmed that Ezra's going to become a Jedi (or at least get a lightsaber of his own) and there's a female Mandalorian by the name of Sabine that's one of the good guys.

 

http://www.newsarama...-fair-2014.html

 

http://www.starwarsu...rian-armor.html

 

http://www.ign.com/a...bels-characters

 

Wasn't Sabine the chick from Mandalore that Obi-Wan was sweet on in the Clone Wars?



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 08:14 PM

That was Satine, if I recall correctly.


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Posted 27 February 2014 - 02:06 AM

It's now official: Zeb is a Lasat.

And Sabine has a different surname from Satine Kryze, namely Wren.

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#71 I. J. Thompson

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:04 PM

It's now official: Zeb is a Lasat.

 

Nice! I'm glad to see they didn't change the name just for the sake of changing it. :)



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:07 PM

Im kinda sad they didn't change it. But, I don't have the nostalgia for weg Star Wars, and think it should disappear along with the d20 version, erased from the collective consciousness.
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:59 PM

Im kinda sad they didn't change it. But, I don't have the nostalgia for weg Star Wars, and think it should disappear along with the d20 version, erased from the collective consciousness.

 

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 01:09 PM

Im kinda sad they didn't change it. But, I don't have the nostalgia for weg Star Wars, and think it should disappear along with the d20 version, erased from the collective consciousness.

 

I'd like to give you 1/2 a Like  :)  I've found some great resources in WEG (Stock Freighters, Pirates and Privateers), but for the most part their universe is so narrow and monolithic it's tedious to wade through.  TCW gives a much better picture of galactic life.


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#75 I. J. Thompson

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:43 PM

Im kinda sad they didn't change it. But, I don't have the nostalgia for weg Star Wars, and think it should disappear along with the d20 version, erased from the collective consciousness.

 

Interesting! Considering WEG barely sketched the species, what would be gained by renaming them a 'Glaxnorz', or something? On that note, would you prefer that Greedo was actually a 'Shmerkalerk'?

 

That sounds snide, but I don't mean it that way. I'm honestly curious!



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:56 PM

 

Im kinda sad they didn't change it. But, I don't have the nostalgia for weg Star Wars, and think it should disappear along with the d20 version, erased from the collective consciousness.

 

Interesting! Considering WEG barely sketched the species, what would be gained by renaming them a 'Glaxnorz', or something? On that note, would you prefer that Greedo was actually a 'Shmerkalerk'?

 

That sounds snide, but I don't mean it that way. I'm honestly curious!

 

Actually, as I stated, I don't have any nostalgia for the WEG Star Wars RPG - never got to play it, I am just a little sick of seeing, all the "well, WEG did it this way.."  posts, both here and on the d20 boards.    

 

If changing the common things works better for this game, I'm all for it.  I don't think we should be so beholden to the past.   I would honestly like to see some NEW star wars content, rather than redoing the same stuff again and again.    

 

I just don't give a zarking fardwark about WEG or WotC's Star Wars at this point.  They are dead to me.


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Posted 27 February 2014 - 06:14 PM

 

 

Im kinda sad they didn't change it. But, I don't have the nostalgia for weg Star Wars, and think it should disappear along with the d20 version, erased from the collective consciousness.

 

Interesting! Considering WEG barely sketched the species, what would be gained by renaming them a 'Glaxnorz', or something? On that note, would you prefer that Greedo was actually a 'Shmerkalerk'?

 

That sounds snide, but I don't mean it that way. I'm honestly curious!

 

Actually, as I stated, I don't have any nostalgia for the WEG Star Wars RPG - never got to play it, I am just a little sick of seeing, all the "well, WEG did it this way.."  posts, both here and on the d20 boards.    

 

If changing the common things works better for this game, I'm all for it.  I don't think we should be so beholden to the past.   I would honestly like to see some NEW star wars content, rather than redoing the same stuff again and again.    

 

I just don't give a zarking fardwark about WEG or WotC's Star Wars at this point.  They are dead to me.

 

 

Wow, I just... wow. I thought I was being nice. 

 

Yes, WEG told us that that guy is a Lasat. But they also told us that Greedo is a Rodian. And that a Medical Frigate is a Nebulon-B. And that the Falcon is a YT-1300.

 

I'm not saying everyone needs to bow down and worship WEG, but why on earth would you want these names changed, just for the sake of changing them?

 

If I'm not getting what you're saying, I apologize - but I would need a little more detail.

 

[edited for clarity]


Edited by I. J. Thompson, 27 February 2014 - 06:23 PM.

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 07:06 PM

Never mind...


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Posted 27 February 2014 - 09:15 PM

 

 

 

Im kinda sad they didn't change it. But, I don't have the nostalgia for weg Star Wars, and think it should disappear along with the d20 version, erased from the collective consciousness.

 

Interesting! Considering WEG barely sketched the species, what would be gained by renaming them a 'Glaxnorz', or something? On that note, would you prefer that Greedo was actually a 'Shmerkalerk'?

 

That sounds snide, but I don't mean it that way. I'm honestly curious!

 

Actually, as I stated, I don't have any nostalgia for the WEG Star Wars RPG - never got to play it, I am just a little sick of seeing, all the "well, WEG did it this way.."  posts, both here and on the d20 boards.    

 

If changing the common things works better for this game, I'm all for it.  I don't think we should be so beholden to the past.   I would honestly like to see some NEW star wars content, rather than redoing the same stuff again and again.    

 

I just don't give a zarking fardwark about WEG or WotC's Star Wars at this point.  They are dead to me.

 

 

Wow, I just... wow. I thought I was being nice. 

 

Yes, WEG told us that that guy is a Lasat. But they also told us that Greedo is a Rodian. And that a Medical Frigate is a Nebulon-B. And that the Falcon is a YT-1300.

 

I'm not saying everyone needs to bow down and worship WEG, but why on earth would you want these names changed, just for the sake of changing them?

 

If I'm not getting what you're saying, I apologize - but I would need a little more detail.

 

[edited for clarity]

 

I never said I WANTED the names changed.  All I am trying to say is that, I personally, am tired of seeing people compare everything to the WEG's RPG.   I'm sorry if you think anything I said was rude, as that was not my intent.  

 

While I acknowledge that WEG did a lot for the current EU and star wars lore, I don't think it should be necessarily held as gospel.  If WEG still had the license, sure, but they don't.  If Disney/Lucasfilm (or Fantasy Flight) want to change the name of something, or say that a YZ-775 has no room for passengers, then they should be allowed and not feel beholden to something like a defunct RPG, because some people hold it as gospel.   

 

Just because something was done a particular way (or had stats written) doesn't mean that it has to be that way.   Fantasy Flight is crafting a very good RPG currently.   If they have a vision of how things should be, I say let them do it.  Change is not necessarily bad.  We may get something even better, but you may have to take off the rose coloured glasses to see that.  

 

I write this from the standpoint that WEG's rpg legacy means bupkiss to me.  Zeb's species could have been called anything.  They kept Lasat because of an RPG book from the 80's that a minority of star wars fans will know of.   In a time where much of the EU is in danger of being purged, keeping little things like this is insignificant.   So, while the name of the species doesn't matter, and won't affect my enjoyment of the show - If a greater story can be accomplished by altering a detail from old sources, I think the powers that be should be willing to do that - especially if the detail is so very obscure like the name of Zeb's species which appeared in an RPG book from 1988.

 

I hope I cleared things up, but to sum up.   I've written far more about my original comment than I figured I would.  It was a flippant remark about not having any nostalgia towards WEG's product.    Whether Zeb's species is lasat or glaxnorz doesn't matter in terms of the show - the name was left to cater to a small group of people who have Nostalgia towards the RPG.  If they changed the name, most of the people who watch the show wouldn't have known what it was originally called.

 

Also, another fact, if Episode VII nullifies the existence of Thrawn, I personally don't care.  I enjoyed those books, but if the new movies are good, I would gladly take the loss - but, I know people will scream murder over it.  A certain writer is rumoured to have gotten death threats for killing Chewbacca..   


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 04:43 AM

I'm with Samophlange, in that while the old WEG Star Wars stuff was good, it shouldn't necessarily be held as inviolate simply out of sheer nostalgia.

 

As much as I enjoy Zahn's work in the post-RotJ era, I'm willing to accept that the new movies may very well invalidate some, if not all of what he's written in regards to that era.  He'd already had some of the stuff in Thrawn Trilogy invalidated by the prequels, as have other authors; most folks figured it'd been more than 20 years between when the Clone Wars ended and the Original Trilogy began, or that Luke & Leia's mother had survived for at least a little while after the twins were born.

 

As was noted in a similar thread over in the AoR section, The Force Unleashed (aka the last big multi-media event that Lucasfilm tried to organize) has, per Pablo Hidalgo, already been moved to a non-canon status in regards to how the Rebel Alliance came to be.

 

There's also the simple matter that what WEG created is, in RPG terms, ancient history.  It'd really cut down on the creativity of new material like Star Wars: Rebels if they had to remain slavishly devoted to huge swaths of stuff that a bunch of third-party writers created well over a decade ago.

 

Yeah, Zeb's been tagged as a Lasat, which was a label that WEG applied to an old concept drawing, something they did a lot of during their ownership of the license since it was probably cheaper just to slap a made-up name onto an early concept drawing (Z-95 Headhunters came about by way of early X-Wing concept drawings as another instance).  But that doesn't mean the Lasat species in SW: Rebels has to follow the same template that WEG laid out.  I glanced at the Wookieepedia article, and the Lasat as described there were indicated to prize cunning and sneakiness, where Zeb seems to be of a warrior-race type of background that's very direct in dealing with an enemy (he's pretty much a Hired Gun/Marauder in my eyes).


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