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#1 ImDoneItsOver

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 04:16 PM

will the fins/wings on the model Spin? that would be soo cool but id understand if they dont with the way the models are made.



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 04:28 PM

Why should the wings spin??

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 04:38 PM

its not a fan......

its already cold in space, they would need space heaters before fans.....

pun intended.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 04:45 PM

AAahh! This is a gigantic propeller!


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:17 PM

I could sort of, maybe, possibly see the point if they had some form of auto adjustment. Rotating to maximize the exposure to solar energy that they recieve...maybe. Except that for one thing that would be needlessly complex and for another, and this is the fundamental flaw with TIEs anyway, once you get outsystem or into deep space solar panels become increasingly useless anyway


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:56 PM

Also... that's where the guns are... they don't have rear arcs, so no need to spin...

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 07:26 PM

its not a fan......

its already cold in space, they would need space heaters before fans.....

pun intended.

I thought the issue is keeping it cold because there is nothing to pass heat onto in space and therefore theres nothing to pass the heat onto but the ship itself


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 01:26 AM

 

its not a fan......

its already cold in space, they would need space heaters before fans.....

pun intended.

I thought the issue is keeping it cold because there is nothing to pass heat onto in space and therefore theres nothing to pass the heat onto but the ship itself

 

That's correct, cooling is the issue in space, because you can only lose heat via radiation, which isn't a very effective method of heat removal for objects with a low surface area relative to their power output. 

Consider something using very high energy weapons and systems, that's a lot of excess heat you will be generating to shed, even if the systems are quite efficient. If we tried to make a Tie Defender at our current tech level, it would probably melt itself from its engine heat. 

Some explanations of the tie fighter panels are that they are actually giant heatsink-cum-radiators. The notion that they are solar collectors does somewhat stretch suspension of disbelief. I think the 'cooling' notion is also why S-foils need to be opened for many ships to use their guns; the extra heat generated needs a larger surface area over which to be dispersed.

 

So, depending on how you interpret the canon, the extra wings are for either heat dispersal or the increased energy demands.

More importantly, they are hella stylish.
 


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:25 AM

Yeah - I think we all agree S-foils and TIE wings have been retconned into being radiators. Some sources suggest or assume that the wings of TIE craft are solar power collectors. Unfortunately, this cannot be one of the wings' significant functions. Sunshine and starshine are not sufficient to power the propulsion, weapons or any other major mechanism of any craft which is as potent and dynamic as a TIE-series starship. If the fighter is operating in space near a habitable planet, the sunlight will provide no more than about a kilowatt per square metre. (Assuming G-type star at 1AU and perfect efficiency on the panels) The common TIE has an array area of just over a hundred square metres. (over both wings i.e. only half can be pointed at sun at a time) At this rate, it would take at least several weeks to accrue enough energy to enter or escape the gravity-well of a planet. The energy requirements for hyperspace jumps, made by the non-combat TIEs and the most advanced fighter models, are much more extreme.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:12 AM

the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:25 AM

could they convert the heat they produce into whatever type of energy is necessary to power them and therefore only need fuel to take off?



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 07:52 AM

could they convert the heat they produce into whatever type of energy is necessary to power them and therefore only need fuel to take off?


The short answer is "not really." At least if we're trying to apply real-world physics to Star Wars, which is a losing battle to start with. You could theoretically recapture some of the heat, but not all of it and would still need some sort of radiator.
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Posted 11 February 2014 - 08:07 AM

the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

It is when you consider the fact that the ship's engine and lasers are extremely tiny compared to the larger versions on Rebel fighters, yet are also just as capable, if not moreso.

 

If you're using smaller systems but getting the same performance out of them, something's got to give. They generally give off a lot more heat than a larger system which has the same output. This is why performance race cars typically have more extensive cooling systems than a stock car, even though their engines are about the same size. They need to bleed off all that excess energy somehow.

 

TIE Fighter solar radiators do the same thing, because their advanced engines also tend to produce a lot of heat. They radiate this waste heat into space using the waffle-pattern radiators, thus giving them the ability to be light weight and still pack a reasonable punch.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 02:48 PM

the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

Their has not been a retcon about TIEs not using Solar pannels.  Star Wars complete vehicles just came out at the end of 2013 and it still shows them using solar pannels in extreme detail.  Take in mind what they in SW are using are waymore advanced to what we are using now, with materials, with specific reactions, we don't have.  Our solar pannels would be like a glider compared to their Geometeric Swing wing turbo fan fighter, th SW pannels and solar energization process.

 

 

the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

It is when you consider the fact that the ship's engine and lasers are extremely tiny compared to the larger versions on Rebel fighters, yet are also just as capable, if not moreso.

 

If you're using smaller systems but getting the same performance out of them, something's got to give. They generally give off a lot more heat than a larger system which has the same output. This is why performance race cars typically have more extensive cooling systems than a stock car, even though their engines are about the same size. They need to bleed off all that excess energy somehow.

 

TIE Fighter solar radiators do the same thing, because their advanced engines also tend to produce a lot of heat. They radiate this waste heat into space using the waffle-pattern radiators, thus giving them the ability to be light weight and still pack a reasonable punch.

 

 

Something interesting to point out.  The SFS L-s9.3 Laser Cannons on the TIE Avenger, Defender, and Interceptor length wise are the longest out of all the ships in SW and have the most mass based on the TIE Interceptor cross-section.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 02:53 PM

What you are all forgetting is that the panels are made of a very magical material... I mean why else are there no unicorns in star wars?  The empire clearly hunted them to near extinction for powering thier warmachine. 



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:28 PM

What you are all forgetting is that the panels are made of a very magical material... I mean why else are there no unicorns in star wars?  The empire clearly hunted them to near extinction for powering thier warmachine. 

 

Are you sure?  I thought Cthulu used ultra compresed Unicorn horns to make Kaiburry crystals as a gift to the Jedi... Or am I thinking of SoulCalibur =p


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:30 PM

Well the Jedi scour lost worlds (where they used to slaughter the unicorns) and mutipurposed the "crystal" (horns) into thier lightsabers so that no bit of the majestic beast would go to waste.  You  know, one with the world, and all that...



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 07:43 AM

 

the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

Their has not been a retcon about TIEs not using Solar pannels.  Star Wars complete vehicles just came out at the end of 2013 and it still shows them using solar pannels in extreme detail.  Take in mind what they in SW are using are waymore advanced to what we are using now, with materials, with specific reactions, we don't have.  Our solar pannels would be like a glider compared to their Geometeric Swing wing turbo fan fighter, th SW pannels and solar energization process.

 

 

the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

It is when you consider the fact that the ship's engine and lasers are extremely tiny compared to the larger versions on Rebel fighters, yet are also just as capable, if not moreso.

 

If you're using smaller systems but getting the same performance out of them, something's got to give. They generally give off a lot more heat than a larger system which has the same output. This is why performance race cars typically have more extensive cooling systems than a stock car, even though their engines are about the same size. They need to bleed off all that excess energy somehow.

 

TIE Fighter solar radiators do the same thing, because their advanced engines also tend to produce a lot of heat. They radiate this waste heat into space using the waffle-pattern radiators, thus giving them the ability to be light weight and still pack a reasonable punch.

 

 

Something interesting to point out.  The SFS L-s9.3 Laser Cannons on the TIE Avenger, Defender, and Interceptor length wise are the longest out of all the ships in SW and have the most mass based on the TIE Interceptor cross-section.

 

 

Panel can grab more power per square metre than star puts out not youngling.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 11:07 AM

 

 

the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

Their has not been a retcon about TIEs not using Solar pannels.  Star Wars complete vehicles just came out at the end of 2013 and it still shows them using solar pannels in extreme detail.  Take in mind what they in SW are using are waymore advanced to what we are using now, with materials, with specific reactions, we don't have.  Our solar pannels would be like a glider compared to their Geometeric Swing wing turbo fan fighter, th SW pannels and solar energization process.

 

 

the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

It is when you consider the fact that the ship's engine and lasers are extremely tiny compared to the larger versions on Rebel fighters, yet are also just as capable, if not moreso.

 

If you're using smaller systems but getting the same performance out of them, something's got to give. They generally give off a lot more heat than a larger system which has the same output. This is why performance race cars typically have more extensive cooling systems than a stock car, even though their engines are about the same size. They need to bleed off all that excess energy somehow.

 

TIE Fighter solar radiators do the same thing, because their advanced engines also tend to produce a lot of heat. They radiate this waste heat into space using the waffle-pattern radiators, thus giving them the ability to be light weight and still pack a reasonable punch.

 

 

Something interesting to point out.  The SFS L-s9.3 Laser Cannons on the TIE Avenger, Defender, and Interceptor length wise are the longest out of all the ships in SW and have the most mass based on the TIE Interceptor cross-section.

 

 

Panel can grab more power per square metre than star puts out not youngling.

 

 

Based on what we use now it is not viable.  What they are using in SW is more advanced design and materials wise.  Heck I seriously doubt they are using silcon crystals in any of the TIES design, that change in material already would change the reaction created when light makes contact with.  Take in mind though the energy the TIEs use is not equal to its solar re energization of the fuel it carries, and if the fuel is to be fully charged it requires a diffrent process aboard a cap ship or base.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 03:24 AM

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