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#21 lord inquisitor Iannise

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 01:14 PM

so what i gathered so far is yes they could make a human Dreadnaught but odds are he's going to be doing something else besides murdering Heretics, xenos and demons all day long which is something the chassis doesn't support?      



#22 bogi_khaosa

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 02:52 PM

It would be a very strange thing to do. but technically possible.



#23 Brother Anselm

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 04:29 PM

And even then he'll be a liability, psychosis and complete mental breakdowns are one of the reasons Astartes dreadnoughts are kept in a comatose state till an emergency arises where they are needed. Their minds are strengthened, i dread to think how a mere mortal would cope with the shock. 



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Posted 12 January 2014 - 02:36 PM

Imagine adjusting to life suspended in a sensory derivation tank that moves, watching life through a low resoluton video screen  and hearing through a faulty static-choked telephone line.

 

Imagine that if you ever leave the tank you die. You can`t get out by yourself anyway and nobody would help, Imagine mental strain of fighting against all the evolutionary, pshysiological and psychological programming that made you who and what you were for what might be the rest of time.

 

Imagine that everyone around you ages and dies but you endure unchanged. it seems to happen ever faster and faster as your finite mortal mind loses perspective and the meaningless years fly by.

 

Then imagine that for all it`s ageless stength and resilience all your immortal body can do well is destroy, the only expression it can easily allow you for all your fustrated lust, passion, lonliness, rage and despair is mindless destruction of all he form and beauty you have grown envy in it`s vibrant brevity.

 

Then ladies and gentlemen you will have grasped why dreadnoughts go doolaly.


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#25 Kshatriya

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 05:54 PM

so what i gathered so far is yes they could make a human Dreadnaught but odds are he's going to be doing something else besides murdering Heretics, xenos and demons all day long which is something the chassis doesn't support?      

Strictly speaking he's also not going to be a Dreadnought. I don't think an unaugmented body or non-Astarte sarcophagus is designed to interface with the Space Marine Dreadnought systems. Another walker where your shattered body is interred in a different sort of sarcophagus, maybe…or directly attached. Etc.


Edited by Kshatriya, 12 January 2014 - 05:55 PM.


#26 Lynata

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 07:19 PM

Assuming, of course, that the aforementioned alternatives don't just work with similar or even the very same systems (broadly categorised as Mind Interface Units).

 

It's probably safe to say that anyone's body put into a machine would lose their "unaugmented" status as part of the procedure.  :D


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#27 Adeptus-B

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 11:56 AM

I'm surprised no one has brought up Black Library character Inquisitor Ravenor as an example. He's grievously wounded, entombed in a life support sarcophagus within an armed and armoured transport device. His is a hover vehicle rather than a walker, but many of the principles are the same.



#28 Librarian Astelan

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 02:21 AM

I'm surprised no one has brought up Black Library character Inquisitor Ravenor as an example. He's grievously wounded, entombed in a life support sarcophagus within an armed and armoured transport device. His is a hover vehicle rather than a walker, but many of the principles are the same.

 

Although Ravenor was a psyker with mindbending capabilities. As his mind could "see" his surroundings, the whole mental breakdown risk could be considered minimal. Not so sure if you put a standard guardsman in such a coffin...



#29 WilliamAsher

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 10:53 PM

Any such person should be selected for mental toughness as well.  Our Magos is actually looking at making the Thallax conversion less mentally damaging by limiting the sensory input to more 'human' levels and installing pain blocking implants to reduce the pain of the conversion.  One of the reasons that they go so crazy is that their 'Djinn Sight' is so very different that they don't percieve the world the same way.  He is also looking into using Janus Simulacura bodies as 'Rest and Recuperation bodies'  The idea is that the Thallax (or 'Dreadnaught') spends some down time in a near-human body regularly to reduce mental instability.  The Thallax and the Janus Simulacura are both mechanical bodies needing only the brain and some spine. 

 

Note that you could put less valuable people in Janus Simulacura  bodies rather than Dreadnaughts.  They would still be mechanical, but you could adjust the bodies cybernetics to allow some near-human feeling and reduce the mental trauma.  They would still be fully functional and quite a bit tougher than human troops.






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