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#21 dcdennis

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 08:08 PM

Prized will be fun

#22 bloodycelt

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 10:53 PM

Or like doomed, the only cards used would be the handful of OP ones (Massing At Twilight for example).



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:42 AM

Or like doomed, the only cards used would be the handful of OP ones (Massing At Twilight for example).

 

I don't think that's going to be as much of an issue with Prized - at least no more the meta-at-large already favoring OP cards to the point of making other cards obscure. 

 

The main difference is that, as the game goes on, using Prized cards will get more and more risky regardless of how many you have played to that point. "Prized 2" will always carry the question of whether or not the effect is worth giving your opponent 2 power for. Obviously, the answer to that question will be different if the score is 0-2 or 10-12 (no matter which side of that score you are on). Doomed was never like that; early or late game was never a consideration and you effectively never thought about the "drawback" for the first 1-3 Doomed cards you played.

 

Prized keeps the risk front-and-center, and can never be ignored. While I think the two mechanics try to do the same thing, create a built-in drawback and/or balance to very powerful cards, I think Prized succeeds in a way Doomed never could. So I don't think there can be a whole lot of "like Doomed" comparisons between the two mechanics, and I don't think past experiences with Doomed in the CCG will be a good predictor for the experiences with Prized in the LCG.


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#24 bloodycelt

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:50 AM

What I meant was, if similar to the meta around "Doomed", a handful of OP cards will be used because they are really worth the drawback, but as a whole the Prized mechanic could be ignored (because most cards will not be worth giving the opponent 1-2 power).

 

Not saying that will happen, its just a risk, like any card that has a built-in drawback. I do agree that Prized is a much better drawback mechanic then Doomed. However, if you look at Winter block and replaced doomed with prized, I think less of those cards would have seen active play. (Though Massing would still be in every deck).



#25 MarthWMaster

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:31 PM

I think people lose a little bit of the vision of "alternate universe" that AGoT truly is. AGoT LCG isn't "Nedly" at all. It's almost impossible for it to be so just by the nature of the game. The game is more about the variability of the characters and how, under different circumstances, Joffrey and Arya COULD be "besties." There is no inherent reason that what happened in the book was the only viable course of events. Joffrey could've been raised differently and that whole sequence of events never happens. So I think giving more ability to mashup and be less restrictive is far more appropro for the AGoT LCG than trying to pidgeon hole every character into a given role.
 
I feel it'd be far more approrpiate for most characters to be playable in other factions with minimal difficulty unless there is some major underlying reason it wouldn't happen (like pre-Game of Thrones history). So the whole "faction penalty" thing has always irked me.


I share the same vision that you describe, for all the CCGs and LCGs I play. I don't think it's un-Nedly, so long as the deck is built with the story in mind. When I build that Targaryen deck that explores what might have happened if Viserys hadn't been a jerk, I'll want to consider all the story implications of that one change. What if King Robert had said the correct name at his bedding? What if Jon had agreed to the new king's offer? This is just a different kind of Nedliness that requires a different kind of imagination.
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#26 bloodycelt

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:45 PM

What if Dany forms a harem of the most powerful cards I mean men....



#27 LordofBrewtown

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:52 PM

 

 


 

Prized keeps the risk front-and-center, and can never be ignored. While I think the two mechanics try to do the same thing, create a built-in drawback and/or balance to very powerful cards, I think Prized succeeds in a way Doomed never could. So I don't think there can be a whole lot of "like Doomed" comparisons between the two mechanics, and I don't think past experiences with Doomed in the CCG will be a good predictor for the experiences with Prized in the LCG.

 

I sure hope you are correct.  I think I would agree with your assessment *IF* there was no way to make your opponents cards prized.  However, my initial reaction is that making cards like the Blackfish that allow you to give your opponents the prized trait is a huge mistake.  That was one of the big problems with doomed (& that catastrophe of a cycle) - your opponent was playing a completely different game than you & there was no way to defend against it.  Hopefully I'm wrong.  This mechanic sure doesn't make me want to start playing competitively again.  



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:54 PM

Lol I am envisioning a martell direct kill war crest deck with deceit and die by the sword and prized galore. Probably too many moving parts, but sounds sexy.

#29 bloodycelt

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 04:49 PM

If giving opponents characters prized becomes big, I could see a return to character-less decks just like Winter Block.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 05:42 PM

I sure hope you are correct.  I think I would agree with your assessment *IF* there was no way to make your opponents cards prized.  However, my initial reaction is that making cards like the Blackfish that allow you to give your opponents the prized trait is a huge mistake.  That was one of the big problems with doomed (& that catastrophe of a cycle) - your opponent was playing a completely different game than you & there was no way to defend against it.  Hopefully I'm wrong.  This mechanic sure doesn't make me want to start playing competitively again.  

 

Actually, I'm kind of encouraged by The Blackfish that they are handling the keyword properly. It is a very limited situation in which you can give an opponent's character "Prized." His ability is essentially the same as "After a character dies for military claim while The Blackfish is attacking, claim 1 power for your House." That's certainly a powerful card, but not one that changes the game you play to one that is completely different from the one your opponent is playing. Try to kill as many characters as you can by winning military challenges (with The Blackfish, no less) seems like pretty standard game play to me. If the number of effects that give Prized to an opponent's card are relatively few, and as limited in scope as The Blackfish, I think we'll be OK.

 

@Dennis: Yeah, that could be a really sexy combo deck, but ooooh would it be risky! I'd be really worried about my opponent's Valar or Westeros Bleeds turning my "prized galore" into "game over."



#31 SirRule

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 12:39 PM

I'm just really excited to see new characters enter the game, ie: Tycho Nestoris!



#32 darknoj

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:25 AM

If giving opponents characters prized becomes big, I could see a return to character-less decks just like Winter Block.

 

Return..lol...we are currently in the character-less deck competitive scene. Hoping this will change soon and the game can start to go back being based on challenges and not events.






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