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#1 bogi_khaosa

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:48 PM

What the hell? Is there a typo here?

 

Force Bolt: Ordinary +10 WP (i.e., standard attack), 1d10+2 + (2xPR) Pen 0. Can knock things down.

 

OK, that's fine.

 

Force Storm: Difficult -10 WP (i.e., full auto), 1d10 + (3xPR) Pen 0.

 

THIS THING IS INSANE.

 

Psy Rating 9 : full auto burst each of which does 1d10+27 damage.

 

Is there a typo here? Should it really be afull-auto version of Force Bolt?

 



#2 bogi_khaosa

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 04:53 PM

Unrelatedly, I just did some calculations as to what a Shadowseer can get up to with his psychic power.

 

Whoa.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:18 AM

What Little ol Shadowseer pushing his PR 8 to PR 11 (I think they are counted Bound, so max is +3).

 

Can maximum manifest 11 bolts, each doing 1d10+33.

 

I think overkill is the word you are looking for. Lucky that you can at least trie to Dodge those


Edited by Routa-maa, 27 October 2013 - 03:21 AM.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 01:30 PM

Look what happens to his Dodge if he uses Precognition.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 01:49 PM

Yeah, you happened to check Precognitive Dodge. :ph34r:


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#6 bogi_khaosa

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:08 PM

Hmmm. Does the maximum -60/+60 to Tests rule exist in BC? I can't find it anywhere, but it occurs to me that it is a limiting factor if it does.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:21 PM

Yeah +/-60 is still the maximum modifier in BC. although only places I could find information about that is Summoning Ritual Modifiers and such.

Well I'm sure it's there, some where, under all that clutter.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:26 PM

Well, if you put it up against some of the daemonic weapons that players can make, I'm not really sure it's a problem to be honest.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:33 PM

Yeah +/-60 is still the maximum modifier in BC. although only places I could find information about that is Summoning Ritual Modifiers and such.

Well I'm sure it's there, some where, under all that clutter.

 

Great that means that on average the Shadowseer is not going to get his full 11 hits: ) More like 5 or 6.

 

By the way, I can't see this spelled out anywhere -- do BS modifiers (for size, lighting, target running, etc.) apply to psychic bolts/barrages/storms in BC?



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 04:45 PM

Hmmm. Does the maximum -60/+60 to Tests rule exist in BC? I can't find it anywhere, but it occurs to me that it is a limiting factor if it does.

 

Yeah +/-60 is still the maximum modifier in BC. although only places I could find information about that is Summoning Ritual Modifiers and such.

Well I'm sure it's there, some where, under all that clutter.

Hmm.. I might be having a brain fart, could anyone throw me a page number on that rule? I don't recognize that at all, no matter what core rulebook.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 10:08 PM

The maximum total bonus that can be applied to a test is +60.
Conversely, the maximum total penalty that can be applied to a test is –60.

pg241

 

if you knock back force storm to 2x PR it's a little less stupid.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 10:29 PM

The maximum total bonus that can be applied to a test is +60.
Conversely, the maximum total penalty that can be applied to a test is –60.

pg241

 

if you knock back force storm to 2x PR it's a little less stupid.

Wow, thanks. I could've sworn that the limit was -90. That's definitely house ruled. +/-60 is way too small when it comes to certain actions and I hate to flat-out say "No" when there's a reasonable chance of success (which is sometimes achievable even with a -90 when stacking certain benefits... ripping bulkheads comes to mind).

Thanks.


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#13 Routa-maa

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 08:20 AM


Great that means that on average the Shadowseer is not going to get his full 11 hits: ) More like 5 or 6.

 

By the way, I can't see this spelled out anywhere -- do BS modifiers (for size, lighting, target running, etc.) apply to psychic bolts/barrages/storms in BC?

 

I think stuff like size, lighting and etc affect Psychic bolt/barrage/storm as they are not specifically tied to BS but are conditional effects.

Hehe, came into mind old "I throw magic missile into the darkness" :lol:


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#14 Quietus1

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 09:52 AM

I don't have the book in front of me, but I could have sworn that force storm is an AOE (Psychic Storm or something it is classified as) so it isn't a bunch of bolts each hitting for 1d10 + (3xPR), but rather everything in the area takes that damage once...



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 11:09 AM

Nope

 

psychic Bolt is 1 strike

psychic Barrage's are a couple of strikes

psychic Storm's are several strikes  (force storm)

Psychic barrage is the area effected attack/psychic power


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#16 bogi_khaosa

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 02:31 PM

Well that does help things then. That means that a Psy Rating 10 WP70 unbound psyker pushing  with force storm actually cannot get his PR-mandated 15 maximum possible hits, because his maximum chance is 130 (70+60). On average he will get 8 or 9.


Edited by bogi_khaosa, 28 October 2013 - 02:32 PM.


#17 Athanatosz

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 02:32 PM

as psy rating 10  and wp 70 that common in your games or just maxing the chances?


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#18 bogi_khaosa

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 02:42 PM

I'm just maxing the chances to get an extreme case.



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:03 AM

 

I think stuff like size, lighting and etc affect Psychic bolt/barrage/storm as they are not specifically tied to BS but are conditional effects.


 

 

By the way, I can't see this spelled out anywhere -- do BS modifiers (for size, lighting, target running, etc.) apply to psychic bolts/barrages/storms in BC?

No. We had fights in the group about it and I have an email from Tim Huckelbery confirming that in BC Psychic Attacks are different from weapon attacks. Only a Focus Power Test for Psychic Powers, no Darkness/Size/Range/etc. modifiers.

Same goes for quote on p. 241 about +/-60, it addresses only melee and ranged attacks. There's nothing on this limit for Psychic Powers (see Focus Power Test p.208) and there shouldn't be.

Before you start throwing stones in my direction, consider this: what's the worst outcome of failing WS/BS tests? What's the worst outcome of "failing" Focus Power Test?



#20 Routa-maa

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:11 AM

Can you please post the email from Huckelbery. I would like to see it myself. Not that I wouldn't believe you but like the saying goes "Seeing is believing"


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