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#1 pearldrum1

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 11:40 PM

An all female Adeptus Astartes chapter. Cry about it.

 

 

So, this started out with a player of mine wanting to play a female Space Marine because I said she could do so. However, as time went on I realized I couldn`t justify having female Astartes in already existing chapters. The cake was proverbially iced when she said she wanted to play a Black Templar female. There was just no freaking way I could make that work - not in game, not in my head, not at all. So, I spent all day creating this chapter based on the guidelines provided in Rites of Battle.

 

Let me know how I did (`DUDE CHICKS CANT BE SPACE MARINES, DER!!` Doesn`t exactly help and is pretty creatively limiting, so I politely ask that if you have a fundamental problem with this, do yourself a solid and leave now) and let me know if there is anything technical that looks funky or needs fixing. I am open to suggestions and constructive criticism. Thanks for taking the time to read - it is a wall of text. You have been warned.

 

 

Chapter Name:

Daughters of Death

Origins:

Late in M39, with the increased threat and loss of worlds to Tyranid Hive Fleets, the Omega Vault revealed one of its most provocative and controversial treasures: An ancient Space Marine in Mk. IV Armor contained in stasis along with samples of its pure gene seed and instructions on the formation of an all female Space Marine contingent. The Space Marine herself remembered little of her past, perhaps mind wiped or suffering from Amnesia due to long-term stasis sleep. However, the memories she could pull up revealed murky memories of betrayal and millions of Astartes losing their lives at the hand of a great betrayer.

Why Was the Chapter Founded:

Increased hostilities in the Jericho Reach, including the coming of Tyranid Hive Fleets and Warp Anomalies, resulted in the opening of one of the vaults many mysterious chambers. Inside was a lone Space Marine in stasis and pure samples of gene seed from one of the Lost Primarchs with clear instructions for Imperial Biogeneticists and Cybergeneticists to create a unique Space Marine Chapter composed entirely of females. The implications that one or both of the Lost Primarchs was female sent ripples through the highest echelons of the Imperial Hierarchy, all the way up to the High Lords of Terra themselves. Arguments and schisms erupted over what to do with the new information and the Space Marine herself. Some argued that all evidence must be purged completely, while others argued that this information must be circulated - if not through the Imperium at large then at least through the other Astartes Chapters. A minority of the voices made the case that this was proof of the Emperor's plan to unite all of humanity, not just males, with male and female Astartes leading the way. At long last a compromise was made and it was decided that a small contingent of female Space Marines, thereby known as Adeptus Astartes Sororitae, would be maintained at all times within Watch Fortress Erioch as a permanent fixture of the Ordo Xenos`s Deathwatch. It then became the duty of all high ranking Xenos Inquisitors to keep an eye out for suitable female candidates for Astartes conversion while they visited various systems and planets within the Imperium.

When Was the Chapter Founded:

Early in M40, the Deathwatch chose to retain a force of Battle-Sisters much smaller than chapter strength, but strong enough to be fielded within various Kill-Teams at any given time within the Jericho Reach. These Battle-Sisters would train extensively in the art of Xenos warfare and remain as a highly guarded secret; those that serve alongside them always taking oaths of secrecy upon learning of their existence.

Progenitor Chapter:

No information available. The Daughters of Death do not know of their origins or even of who their Primarch was, although whispers and rumors postulate that it was one of the two Lost Primarchs, and that at least one of the Lost Primarchs if not both were female. This and their recruitment style forces most Sisters to maintain individualistic demeanors.

Chapter Demeanor:

"Individual." She is determined to earn honor by her own deeds, and not those of heroes long dead. While she venerates her unknown Primarch, the Emperor and her Mother Chapter Master, she knows that only her actions alone can bring honor to the Daughters of Death, the Deathwatch and the Emperor himself.

Codex Primarch's Curse:

Although their Primarch is unknown to them, the Daughters of Death still feel the effects of its curse when their spiritual or mental stability begins to falter. Often times when their minds and spirits have been damaged badly enough, their natural inclination to be healers and Apothecaries manifests itself into reckless disregard for their own safety.

Name: Blood of my Blood

Level 1 (I Feel Your Pain): The Marine takes every wound to her Battle-Brothers and Sisters as a personal failing on her part. If a particular wound is serious enough and a member of the Kill-Team has been reduced to 5 or fewer wounds, she will cease fighting in order to treat her injured fellow Astartes.

Level 2 (Everything for Everyone and Nothing for Myself): The Battle-Sister no longer administers to her own wounds when in battle, fearing that she may use up life saving medicines on herself that could potentially save others. When a member of the Kill-Team has been reduced to 10 or fewer wounds, she will immediately stop attacking the enemy to tend to them. She will only consider healing herself if all allies have been administered to and no threat or danger is present or near.

Level 3 (Reckless Abandon): The Battle-Sister no longer cares for her own well being. She will put herself willingly in the way of enemy fire to save an ally's life or pull them from harm. She will no longer consider healing herself and may only consider seeking treatment long after the mission has been completed and her allies have been properly cared for. When a member of the Kill-Team is reduced to 18 or fewer wounds, she will cease fighting in order to treat her injured allies.

Gene Stock Purity:

A New Generation/Altered Stock - Such Chapters often go on to define their own traditions and write their own histories, looking forward to the future more than back to the past. The Battle-Sisters of the Chapter may be shunned, for they appear different to their brethren.

Gene Seed Deficiencies:

None.

Chapter Demeanor:

"Sisters in Battle." The Battle-Sisters of the Daughters of Death Chapter contain an unusually high number of Apothecaries among their ranks. Due to this and the close proximity in which they interact with one another, and various other Chapters when attached to Kill-Teams, the Daughters of Death have a close comradeship with all Astartes regardless of how they are viewed by Brothers from other chapters. There is nothing that a Battle Sister would not do for her fellow Astartes, often leaving any differences she may have aside during battle and sacrificing her own well being to save a fellow Astartes.

Chapter Flaw:

"We Stand Alone." Because of their unique existence and focus on secrecy in all manners of dealings with other Imperial bodies, the Daughters of Death often find themselves untrusting and leery of outsiders. During the times when they are forced to work alongside other Imperial Forces, every effort is made to hide their identities, often taking extreme measures rather than allowing their existence to become common knowledge.

Chapter Heroes:

Chapter Master Mariana Cleara: The Founder of the Chapter is an object of myth as much as she is a living hero. Revealed in a stasis tube with little to no memories of her past, her existence secured the creation and propagation of the Daughters of Death. Those after her have served simultaneously as 'Chapter Master' and Chief Apothecary. Current Chapter Master, Battle-Sister Mariana Cleara serves the Deathwatch as a trusted adviser and councilor to the Watch Commander. She has seen many varied engagements within the Jericho Reach, andwhen she is deployed she is a force to be reckoned with. Few enemies are powerful enough to stand against her and many foes have paid the ultimate price for underestimating her abilities. In battle she carries the ancient power sword affectionately named "Death's Whisper" for both the lack of noise its power field emits and the hushed awe it creates when unsheathed. On her hip is a master crafted melta gun that has felled multitudes of Xenos and Chaos monstrosities alike. On her opposite hip, hanging from a long adamantine chain is the Book of the Daughters which contains all of the deeds and names of every Daughter to ever serve and die within the Deathwatch. They say the psychic energy of all the Sisters immortalized within provide extra protection for Master Mariana during battle.

As destructive as she is on the battlefield, Mariana displays an almost matronly quality in regards to her Battle-sisters; she personally oversees the creation of each new Daughter of Death, carefully monitoring their vital signs and easing their transitions from human beings into mighty Adeptus Astartes Sororitae. She never leaves the sides of those few whose bodies reject the genetic implants and personally grants them the Emperor's Peace - each loss carried personally on her shoulders and turned into a fuel to ignite against the enemies of the Imperium.

Her Power Armor is an ancient suit of beautifully maintained Mk. IV Plate, handed down through the Chapter Masters from the first mother herself. Master crafted, the suit of armor is naturally black ceramite with black and silver adamantine inlays. In the center of the plate is an incredibly intricate carving of a broken black heart being coiled by two snakes. She is one of a select few Daughters of Death to display only one Deathwatch shoulder Pauldron (most other Battle Sisters don identical Deathwatch Shoulder Pauldrons on each arm); her right shoulder pauldron is a depiction of a bowed angel's head, two hands clasped together in prayer. Her helmet is crafted elegantly in the visage of an emotionless face, androgynous in sex yet beautiful and terrifying at the same time.

Her eyes are a piercing blue and her hair is as black as her armor. She has a smooth creamy complexion, with a proud nose and high cheek bones. Most would consider her beautiful if they weren't terrified of the raw power she exudes. She stands tall at 7'3" and exhibits an air of authority that few could fail to appreciate. She is calm and calculating, always choosing her words before she speaks and as a result has made many friends within the Deathwatch. It is unknown how old she is, but given her battle experience and command presence it is postulated that Mariana was at least two centuries old before she was placed in stasis.

Chapter Homeworld:

None. The Chapter uses Watch Station Erioch as its Fortress Monastery and is much smaller than a Codex Astartes compliant Chapter. As they are less a chapter than they are a small maintained fighting force overseen by the Ordo Xenos, the Daughters of Death rely on Ordo Xenos Inquisitors to bring back fresh recruits from the various worlds and planetary systems they come into contact with. Thus, philosophical and cultural beliefs may differ among Battle-Sisters of the Daughters of Death as much as they may between separate Space Marine Chapters.

Organisation:

"Unique Organization." Since the Daughters of Death are not a traditional Astartes Chapter, they do not, and because of their numbers cannot, adhere to the letter of the Codex Astartes. Much more akin to the specialist Grey Knights, the Daughters of Death do not comprise of companies, nor do they come close to the Codex approved 1,000 Astartes. They are versatile and trained to fight in any environment and situation, adapting as combat may change. They have no favored "style" of fighting and will use whatever is at their disposal to destroy the enemy. They are often loath to unnecessarily sacrifice any Imperial forces, especially themselves or other Astartes, but have been known to do so under the most dire of circumstances and only at the behest of those who are to be lost. Some more fanatical/puritanical Daughters choose to exemplify terror when putting down their enemies. More than one potential rebellion has been put down by the appearance of a single Daughter of Death in full battle regalia casting promises of destruction and sermons from the Emperor over her Vox unit.

Daughters of Death Characters:

As a result of the natural inclination for Daughters to become Apothecaries, all Daughters of Death characters start with Medicae as a trained skill. Another effect of living and operating exclusively within the confines of Watch Fortress Erioch has given the Daughters access to the many libraries and hypno-learning stations within the Fortress, as well as training in a multitude of Xenos-based fighting tactics. As a result, all Daughters characters start with +5 Intelligence and +5 Willpower and the Hatred (xenos - pick one) talent.

Daughters of Death also start with the "Natural and Adaptive" Solo Mode Ability. Pick one skill; at rank 1, the Daughter of Death may re-roll failed tests with this skill and the Medicae skill. At rank 4, the Daughter of Death gains +10 to all tests with this and the Medicae skill. At rank 8, the Daughter of Death gains a bonus degree of success.

Daughters of Death Squad Mode Abilities:

Name: Oath of Vengeance; Action: Free Action; Cost: 1; Sustained: No. When any member of the Kill Team suffers damage, the character receives a +4 bonus to Damage Rolls against the Attacker. At rank 5, this ability may be sustained.

Name: Only in Death; Action: Free Action; Cost: 3; Sustained: Yes. Daughters of Death are tenacious in their ability to stave off the effects of damage that would kill lesser beings. Through a mixture of medical expertise and stimulant use, the Daughters and those around them ignore the most grievous of their wounds. When active, the Space Marine and those within support range ignore the effects of any critical damage that would not kill them. Once this ability ends they suffer the full effects of any critical damage they may have received.

Beliefs:

"You give up your humanity that the citizens of the Imperium may keep theirs. Pity or despise them, but never expect them to understand."

The Daughters of Death are recruited from a number of various worlds and as such bring much of their original cultures with them. They do, however, conform to a stringent belief that the Emperor is above all. He created the Primarchs in his own image, male and female alike. It is only because of the Emperor that their existence is possible. Belief in the Emperor as a deity is up to the individual Battle-Sister and a product of where they were from, how they were raised, and what they believe after being inducted into the Adeptus Astartes Sororitae. They are quick to denounce the Xenos and Warp entities as obvious opponents to the glory of humanity's galactic empire and can find themselves at odds with Imperial Institutions as well: the Ecclesiarchy especially. For some, their humanitarian inclinations towards healing extend to all of humanity, for others, their healing grace is reserved for fellow Astartes only - such is the extent of a chapter with so few, yet so varied individuals.

Current Status:

Under Strength. As their only designation at the moment, as agreed upon by the High Lords of Terra, is to supplement Kill-Teams with extra fire power, the Daughters of Death maintain a strength of around 200-250 Space Marines at any given time. They often operate in Kill-Teams of other Daughters with a Watch Captain accompanying then should they need it. When the need arises, Battle-Sisters may be selected to serve in various other Deathwatch Kill Teams as necessary.

Battle Cry:

"Onward, Sisters! For Glory, For Mariana, For the Emperor!"

Heraldry:

The Daughters of Death wear no personal chapter heraldry. Instead, they wear two identical Deathwatch Shoulder Pauldrons on each arm. If a Sister gains particular renown, it is not unknown for their right pauldron to be removed and replaced by a custom fitting depicting something dear to that particular Sister. Chapter Commander and Chief Apothecary Mariana Cleo is an example of such a case, with a figure of an angel praying adorning her right shoulder pauldron. Other notable designs have been mythological beasts from the Sister's homeworld or visages of the Emperor himself.

Livery:

As permanent members of the Deathwatch, the Daughters of Death have no livery to speak of. Their armor is jet black, as are their helmets. Their shoulder pauldrons and left arms are always completely silver, just as all Deathwatch. Their Apothecaries, however, bear one white line down the middle of their helmets, and a single white stud on their armor for every century of service.

Chapter Advance Table:

Xenos Bane (pg. 42, RoB). Trained extensively in the art of Xenos hunting, the Daughters of Death excel at purging the galaxy of the most vile alien threats to humanity.


Edited by pearldrum1, 20 October 2013 - 03:51 AM.


#2 Kshatriya

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:15 AM

I would make it an older formation than the past hundred years or so, write it into the existing canon. Simply because an Astarte spends years if not longer as a Scout. Popping up a new formation makes it really hard to replace losses or have a distinct Chapter culture, because all that takes a lot of time. In addition, if it's older it eliminates the weird question of "but we've all been men for 10,000 years, this is heresy/Ruinous Powers-y/an affront to the Emperor!"

 

I find it a little sexist that the female Space Marine Chapter descends into Female Stereotypical Response To People Getting Hurt as they get genetically crazier. Not even Apothecaries are that single-minded. 

 

Philosophy seems a little disjointed and "soft" even if they have no history. There are some "bleeding-heart" SM Chapters for sure (Space Wolves and Salamanders in their own way dealing with mortals, Lamenters in the same way), but they don't come across nearly as much as this seems to.



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 06:16 PM

 

I would make it an older formation than the past hundred years or so, write it into the existing canon. Simply because an Astarte spends years if not longer as a Scout. Popping up a new formation makes it really hard to replace losses or have a distinct Chapter culture, because all that takes a lot of time. In addition, if it's older it eliminates the weird question of "but we've all been men for 10,000 years, this is heresy/Ruinous Powers-y/an affront to the Emperor!"

 

Originally I had them from the late 39th early M40, but then I decided I wanted Mariana to still be living. I think that would be an easy change and then just create another profile for the Original Marine who awoke in stasis.

 

 

I find it a little sexist that the female Space Marine Chapter descends into Female Stereotypical Response To People Getting Hurt as they get genetically crazier. Not even Apothecaries are that single-minded. 

 

I made this chapter as a direct response to a player who wanted to play a Fanatical Female Apothecary. And while I can see how the Primarch's Curse can be interpreted as sexist, she absolutely loved it. Besides, it cannot be anymore sexist than not allowing an entire gender to play Space Marines in the first place and as a result making the most badass dominant elite force in the Galaxy an all-male brotherhood. I think it will be OK.

 

 

Philosophy seems a little disjointed and "soft" even if they have no history. There are some "bleeding-heart" SM Chapters for sure (Space Wolves and Salamanders in their own way dealing with mortals, Lamenters in the same way), but they don't come across nearly as much as this seems to.

 

I believe that is because there are close to 1,000 Space Marine chapters to choose from - all with a varying range of personalities and beliefs. This allows my players who want to play female Astartes those same opportunities without my having to create 1,000 female Astartes chapters.



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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:19 PM

Regarding Space Marines, since it didn't start as an RPG I don't think GW's original intent was super sexist with the tabletop army and the fluff of "blood of my blood, and of their blood, legions." I can see how it might be limiting for a female player, but I don't think it needs to be unduly so.

 

Also I think some people would find the Sororitas at least as badass as the Space Marines, and in some cases moreso. ;)

 

Glad your player liked it!



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Posted 20 October 2013 - 01:36 AM

Yeah, the sororitas would be an awesome alternative too.

 

But wouldnt they have to be adapted from Dark Heresy to play?



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Posted 20 October 2013 - 03:01 AM

Sooo ... since I've been asked, I shall leave my opinion here as well.

 

My stance on the "necessity" of female Space Marines is known, but as this seems to be a firm, locked-in factor of this Chapter, there's no sense in discussing it further, and I shall instead focus on the details of the concept.

 

The basic idea is sound, and the "Lost Primarch" tie-in is a typical, yet appropriate opportunity to seize for the implementation of such a Chapter. The focus on Apothecaries is an interesting and, or so I believe, as of yet unused domain for a Space Marine Chapter, somewhat in the vein of the Mentor Legion's teacher thing, or the Iron Hands' Techmarine schpiel. You could even take a page from the latter, and have your Chaplains perform a dual role as Priest and Apothecary.

 

If the focus on healing feels too "civilian", stress that this is more like a side-effect from the Legion's original intention of purity control, xenobiological research and the establishment of a sort of Imperium-wide health standard in the wake of the Great Crusade, including the evaluation and, if need be, eradication of mutant populations.

There is also an obvious opportunity to forge some narrative rivalry with the forces of Nurgle.

I, too, have to agree with Kshatriya's criticism regarding the sexist cliché, though - it feels atypical for a Space Marine, who should honestly be neither female nor male, but rather an asexual warrior-monk.

 

I would also dispense with the term of "Adeptus Astartes Sororitae" - it doesn't fit into the Imperium's linguistic usage of the word, and is way too obviously taken from the Adepta Sororitas. It's bad enough that you have "Battle-Sisters" there, but I suppose there is unfortunately no way around this one.

 

Regarding the Chapter Flaw, you could make it a "thing" that they dislike disclosing their inherent difference, and as such wear helmet at all times. The intense genetical changes wreaking havoc on the human body during "ascension" to Marine status probably let a new member of the Chapter appear much less feminine than before, but it might still be recognisable. Actually, this could be connected to getting rid of the aforementioned terms, and they might even call each other "Battle-Brothers" because that's simply how it is done in the Legiones Astartes, and it avoids a whole lot of unnecessary attention.

It depends on how much consequence you wish to wield against such an obviously deviant Chapter, though, or conversely how easy you want to make it on your player.

 

Lastly, I would recommend going into Chapter organisation a bit more. You mention that they do not follow the Codex Astartes, but then do not offer much information on how else they are structured. Do they have smaller companies? What about their squad size? Do they still have specialist units, or only Tactical Squads where the specialists are a part of?

These things you could still add to the document.

 

 

 

Also I think some people would find the Sororitas at least as badass as the Space Marines, and in some cases moreso. ;)

 

To quote another player ...

 

It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" So instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in that power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch.

 

;)

 

I think public perception of the Sisters suffers a bit from their low exposure - and what exposure they get (predominantly various Black Library novels featuring them as background extras or even antagonists) often portrays them in a much less capable manner than the original studio material. GW clearly intended them to be the "mirror" to the Astartes, but unfortunately a large portion of the fanbase never quite picked up on that idea.

Honestly, as a Sisters fan myself I am disappointed with their portrayal in Dark Heresy. It started out nicely in the Inquisitor's Handbook, but BoM was a real letdown, considering what it could have been.

 

 

But wouldnt they have to be adapted from Dark Heresy to play?

 

With "civilian" weapons (rulebook quote!) and lesser armour, contrary to what their Codex fluff says?  :lol: The games aren't really intended for crossovers ...

It might be possible to just take the standard Deathwatch rules, rip out all the special traits for the Marine implants, and optionally either add the Faith system from the Inquisitor's Handbook, or invent your own, perhaps by looking to GW's Inquisitor game for inspiration. It's bound to work out a lot better than a direct port, for in this case, the Sister could at least dish out the same damage in ranged combat, and actually feel like an equally viable warrior rather than the party's walking buff dispenser. The good thing is that the Sororitas are organised almost identically to Marine Chapters, so you wouldn't even have to change much about the classes!

 

But really, that should better be discussed in another thread. Like this one;)


Edited by Lynata, 20 October 2013 - 03:12 AM.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 03:44 AM

Sooo ... since I've been asked, I shall leave my opinion here as well.

 

My stance on the "necessity" of female Space Marines is known, but as this seems to be a firm, locked-in factor of this Chapter, there's no sense in discussing it further, and I shall instead focus on the details of the concept.

 

The basic idea is sound, and the "Lost Primarch" tie-in is a typical, yet appropriate opportunity to seize for the implementation of such a Chapter. The focus on Apothecaries is an interesting and, or so I believe, as of yet unused domain for a Space Marine Chapter, somewhat in the vein of the Mentor Legion's teacher thing, or the Iron Hands' Techmarine schpiel. You could even take a page from the latter, and have your Chaplains perform a dual role as Priest and Apothecary.

 

 

I really like this idea, although I haven't truly fleshed out any ideas for their chaplains.

 

If the focus on healing feels too "civilian", stress that this is more like a side-effect from the Legion's original intention of purity control, xenobiological research and the establishment of a sort of Imperium-wide health standard in the wake of the Great Crusade, including the evaluation and, if need be, eradication of mutant populations.

There is also an obvious opportunity to forge some narrative rivalry with the forces of Nurgle.

 

I love this. I will definitely use it.

 

 

I, too, have to agree with Kshatriya's criticism regarding the sexist cliché, though - it feels atypical for a Space Marine, who should honestly be neither female nor male, but rather an asexual warrior-monk.

 

My only intention was to try and come up with a Primarch's Curse from scratch based on a chapter that holds healing battle brothers in very high regard. I swear you would have thought I said their curse was to spend 7 days in a red tent once a month. Jesus. Any ideas for a better Primarch's Curse? I am all ears.

 

 

I would also dispense with the term of "Adeptus Astartes Sororitae" - it doesn't fit into the Imperium's linguistic usage of the word, and is way too obviously taken from the Adepta Sororitas. It's bad enough that you have "Battle-Sisters" there, but I suppose there is unfortunately no way around this one.

 

Yeah, I am not ultra fond of it either. It just filled space during my writing session.

 

Actually, this could be connected to getting rid of the aforementioned terms, and they might even call each other "Battle-Brothers" because that's simply how it is done in the Legiones Astartes, and it avoids a whole lot of unnecessary attention.

It depends on how much consequence you wish to wield against such an obviously deviant Chapter, though, or conversely how easy you want to make it on your player.

 

The way I have written it is that the DoD form independent Kill-Teams with only other DoD sisters - this regards a question you had regarding Chapter formation as well. They train with one another in the many training stations on Erioch and train extensively a small unit spec ops groups. They are well suited and accustomed to all forms of Astartes weaponry and warfare, but due to the secrecy of the Chapter, they rarely operate on Kill Teams with Astartes of other chapters. However, it does happen. This is why Astartes of other chapters take Oaths of Silence regarding the DoD existence. Any sightings in the field are written off as hearsay and rumor.



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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:36 AM

Personally, I'm in favor of retconning cannon so that female space marines are just a normal part of the universe.  Always have been, probably always will be.  I think Black Templars can handle having dour female space marines like the Blood Angels can handle blood-thirsty female space marines.  

 

But if you do go the route of creating a new chapter, I think this works pretty well.  Since you've given standard access to medicae regardless of specialist training the curse can be effective to non-Apothecary characters.  I'd be concerned that it's a little one-dimensional if you have other players interested in the chapter down the road.  The last thing you want is every marine from this chapter to be a cookie-cutter copy of the last.  

 

Finally, having a 'mother hen' mentality isn't particularly sexist.  There are some women and some men that are protective.  Trying to claim that women can't be protective because it feeds into stereotypes is just...wrong.  Especially if this is based on the desires of a real female player.  Taken to the extreme every woman portrayed in an RPG would be an ultra-butch tough-as-nails manly woman to avoid any 'sensitive' stereotypes.  What's the fun in that?  

 

I do like the idea of increasing their bent on identifying and destroying mutants.  This can also lead to some interesting conflicts with other space marine chapters.  They might recognize some as having sufficiently deteriorated gene-seed and no longer be worthy of their primogenitor.  With the Black Templars, for instance, losing some of the standard Astartes abilities, I could see them being openly dismissive of the chapter.  


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 01:37 PM

Yeah, the sororitas would be an awesome alternative too.

 

But wouldnt they have to be adapted from Dark Heresy to play?

Yes, and the power level of the systems do not play well together, especially as a Sister could not enter Squad Mode, and the very real fluff issues the SoB have with the Astartes.



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Posted 20 October 2013 - 02:32 PM


fluff issues the SoB have with the Astartes.

Fluff issues? They operate well with some Chapters - the new 6E Space Marine Codex even mentions a solid alliance with the Black Templars:

"Though they are under no obligation to offer any aid, the Black Templars often find common purpose with the Ecclesiarchy. Many times in their glorious history, the Black Templars have gone to war alongside the devout Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas, and a complex web of mutual obligation and honour has evolved." 

 

Or, from SoB Codex fluff:

"Occasionally the Battle Sisters will have common cause with the fierce Space Marines of the Adeptus Astartes. Although the relationship between these two organisations is only civil at best, the Space Marines and Battle Sisters both respect each other's prowess and skill at arms. Many times, the foes of the Imperium have been eradicated by a combined attack from these two elite forces." 

 

There could be ... difficulties with certain other Chapters, but it should be noted that Deathwatch plays in an earlier time where conflicts such as the Ecclesiarchy's punitive expedition to Fenris, or the Gaius Point incident on Armageddon have not yet occurred. The rest might even be roleplaying potential, akin to the feuds that sometimes exist between specific Chapters of the Astartes.

 

A trickier thing would be to justify such a character's presence in a Deathwatch Kill-team, but I'm sure there are ways (especially since the Sisters fight Xenos as well).


Edited by Lynata, 20 October 2013 - 02:37 PM.

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#11 pearldrum1

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 10:23 PM

So, the editor wasn`t working for me. Let`s see if this does. These are the changes I have made the the glorious DoD.

 

Chapter Name:

Daughters of Death

Origins:

Late in M38, with the increased threat and loss of worlds to Tyranid Hive Fleets, the Omega Vault revealed one of its most provocative and controversial treasures: An ancient Space Marine in Mk. IV Artificer Armor contained in stasis along with samples of its pure gene seed and instructions on the formation of an all-female Space Marine contingent. The Space Marine herself remembered little of her past, perhaps mind wiped or suffering from Amnesia due to long-term stasis sleep. However, the memories she could pull up revealed murky memories of betrayal and millions of Astartes losing their lives at the hand of a great betrayer.

Why Was the Chapter Founded:

Increased hostilities in the Jericho Reach, including the coming of Tyranid Hive Fleets and Warp Anomalies, resulted in the opening of one of the vaults many mysterious chambers. Inside was a lone Space Marine in stasis and pure samples of gene seed from one of the Lost Primarchs with clear instructions for Imperial Biogeneticists and Cybergeneticists to create a unique Space Marine Chapter composed entirely of females. The implications that one or both of the Lost Primarchs was female sent ripples through the highest echelons of the Imperial Hierarchy, all the way up to the High Lords of Terra themselves. Arguments and schisms erupted over what to do with the new information and the Space Marine herself. Some argued that all evidence must be purged completely, while others argued that this information must be circulated - if not through the Imperium at large then at least through the other Astartes Chapters. A minority of the voices made the case that this was proof of the Emperor's plan to unite all of humanity, not just males, with male and female Astartes leading the way. At long last a compromise was made and it was decided that a small contingent of female Space Marines would be maintained at all times within Watch Fortress Erioch as a permanent fixture of the Ordo Xenos`s Deathwatch. It then became the duty of all high ranking Xenos Inquisitors to keep an eye out for suitable female candidates for Astartes conversion while they visited various systems and planets within the Imperium. Of the key conditions for candidacy, purity of the mind, body and soul is paramount. The Daughters have an extremely pure gene seed, and maintaining this purity is of their highest priorities.

When Was the Chapter Founded:

Early in M39, the Deathwatch chose to retain a force of Adeptus Astartes as per the Watch Commander’s interpretation of the Omega Vault’s instruction. The force would be much smaller than full Chapter strength, but strong enough to be fielded within various Kill-Teams at any given time within the Jericho Reach (and outside of it if the need was great enough). These Battle-Sisters would train extensively in the art of Xenos-warfare and remain as a highly guarded secret; those that serve alongside them are required to take oaths of secrecy upon learning of their existence. Breaking this Oath is not only a stain of honor upon the Marine and his Chapter, but it has been said that the Ordo Xenos will take any steps necessary to ensure the existence of the Daughters is kept confined to the Deathwatch.

Progenitor Chapter:

No information available. The Daughters of Death do not know of their origins or even of who their Primarch was, although whispers and rumors postulate that it was one of the two Lost Primarchs, and that at least one of the Lost Primarchs if not both were female. Due to the fact that their gene seed was pure before going into stasis, the Daughters of Death suffer no genetic deficiencies.

Chapter Demeanor:

"Individual." The Daughter is determined to earn honor by her own deeds, and not those of heroes long dead. While she venerates her unknown Primarch, the Emperor and her Mother Chapter Master, she knows that only her actions alone can bring honor to the Daughters of Death, the Deathwatch and the Emperor himself. She maintains the philosophy that guided by the Emperor’s hand, she shall make her own fate. Daughters of Death hold the purity of their gene seed, and by extension the purity of their minds, bodies and souls in extremely high regard. Because of this they suffer not any to live who would sully the purity of humankind. They show an unnatural fury towards Xenos lifeforms and make attempts to eradicate mutation and heresy wherever they may find it. This seemingly obsessiveness with purity often puts them at odds with other members of Astartes whose Chapter’s gene-seed may not be as stable as their own. They have a particular hatred for the Chaos God Nurgle and those who follow him.

"Sisters in Battle." The Battle-Sisters of the Daughters of Death Chapter contain an unusually high number of Apothecaries among their ranks. This is partly the result of the training handed down from the first Mother Chapter Master that continues to be ingrained into all new recruits, and also because of the Chapter’s obsessive tendencies regarding the recovery of their gene-seed. In order to maintain the purity of their Chapter, they take no chances and are willing to sacrifice themselves willingly in order to prevent the loss or contamination of their gene-seed. There is nothing that a Battle Sister would not do for her fellow Astartes as well, often leaving any differences she may have aside during battle and sacrificing her own well being to save a fellow Astartes. The care they show for their own gene-seed extends to the Battle Brother’s in a Daughter of Death’s kill team as well.

Codex Primarch's Curse:

Although their Primarch is unknown to them, the Daughters of Death still feel the effects of its curse when their spiritual or mental stability begins to falter. Often times when their minds and spirits have been damaged badly enough, their natural inclination to be healers and Apothecaries manifests itself into reckless disregard for their own safety.

Name: Blood of my Blood.

Level 1 (I Feel Your Pain): The Marine takes every wound to her Battle-Brothers and Sisters as a personal failing on her part. If a particular wound is serious enough and a member of the Kill-Team has been reduced to 5 or fewer wounds, she will make treating that Astartes her top priority.

Level 2 (Everything for Everyone and Nothing for Myself): The Battle-Sister no longer administers to her own wounds if other members of the team are injured, fearing that she may use up lifesaving medicines on herself that could potentially save others. When a member of the Kill-Team has been reduced to 10 or fewer wounds, she will make treating that Astartes her top priority. She will only consider healing herself if all allies have been administered to and no threat or danger is present or near.

Level 3 (Reckless Abandon): The Battle-Sister no longer cares for her own well-being. She will put herself willingly in the way of enemy fire to save an ally's life or pull them from harm. She will no longer consider healing herself and may only consider seeking treatment long after the mission has been completed and her allies have been properly cared for. When a member of the Kill-Team is reduced to 15 or fewer wounds, she will cease fighting in order to treat her injured allies.

Gene Stock Purity:

A New Generation – Free of degradation; absolutely pure. Such Chapters often go on to define their own traditions and write their own histories, looking forward to the future more than back to the past. While they are free of corruption, the Battle-Sisters of the Chapter may be shunned, should their brethren outside of the Deathwatch learn of their true nature.

Gene Seed Deficiencies:

None. 

Chapter Flaw:

"We Stand Alone." Because of their unique existence and focus on secrecy in all manners of dealings with other Imperial bodies, the Daughters of Death often find themselves untrusting and leery of those outside of the Deathwatch. During the times when they are forced to work alongside other Imperial Forces, every effort is made to hide their identities; they will refer to one another as “Brother,” maintain full armor, and take more extreme measures if need be to silence those who would make their existence common knowledge.

Chapter Heroes:

First Mother, Chapter Master and Apothecary Primaris Joan De’Ark: The enigmatic and mysterious founder of the Chapter is an object of myth as much as she is a living hero. Revealed in a stasis tube with little to no memories of her past, her existence secured the creation and propagation of the Daughters of Death. It is said that when she awoke and was subsequently questioned by Inquisitors and the Watch Commander himself, she could give no details of her life before awakening. Her memories were vague and murky at best. However, she did feel a compelling loss. When it was declared that she was not a threat to the Imperium, she was debriefed as thoroughly as possible into the current state of affairs. Not able to comprehend the full complexity of the information she was given, she locked herself in meditation in her chambers for two weeks without food or human contact. While she was granted limited visions from the Emperor, they provided more questions than answers. One thing she knew for certain was that she had slept while thousands upon thousands of her original legion fought and died. Knowing that she was the last of an all but extinct legion of Astartes, she took a vow of silence and embarked upon a fifty year crusade of the Jericho Reach, attached to various Imperial elements in the region. For fifty years she fought continuous battles against the enemies of the Imperium, marking the Xenos and the mutant as the prime targets of her wrath and penance. It is not known, but exactly fifty years after her departure, she returned to Watch Fortress Erioch, no longer bound by silence. She learned that in her absence a new Chapter of Space Marine was being cultivated at the Watch Fortress and that they were directly descended from her genetic material. Assuming the title of First Mother and Chapter Master/Apothecary Primaris, Joan oversaw the training and outfitting of the first batch of Daughters personally.

For centuries, Joan led her Daughters of Death on various missions throughout the Jericho Reach – cleansing Xenos infestation, heretical cults and Chaos incursion alike. With flame, bolt and sword, the Joan led by example, earning much glory and honor for her small Chapter. Joan was ultimately lost after clearing the Space Hulk Despair’s Champion with three Kill-Teams of Daughters of Death under the direction of Inquisitor Traxius of the Ordo Xenos. As the ship’s infernal engines began priming for a Warp jump, Joan secured her teams in exit-torpedos, launching each of them into the Void personally before retreating back into the Space Hulk to recover the lost Inquisitor Traxius. Joan’s exit torpedo never launched, and those under her command watched helplessly as Despair’s Champion made its fatal jump into the Warp. It is said that the Daughters of Death await the final days when the Despair’s Champion will resurface; it will be during this time that their First Mother will lead them all to victory with the Emperor at her side.

Joan went into battle in a full suit of Artificer Mk. IV plate. She wielded an ancient Power Spear named “Chaos Bane” and carried an arm mounted storm bolter on her left arm. On her right arm she wore the traditional Apothecary tools. After her disappearance, the Forge Master of the Watch Fortress presented the new Chapter Master with an identical suit of Mk. IV plate, commissioned in the rare instance that Joan’s armor was damaged beyond repair.

Those few who have served after her have retained the simultaneous position of 'Chapter Master' and Chief Apothecary.

Chapter Master Mariana Cleara: Current Chapter Master and Chief Apothecary, Battle-Sister Mariana Cleara serves the Deathwatch as a trusted adviser and councilor to the Watch Commander. She has seen many varied engagements within the Jericho Reach, and is a force to be reckoned with when deployed. Few enemies are powerful enough to stand against her and many foes have paid the ultimate price for underestimating her abilities. In battle she carries the ancient power sword handed down from Joan De’Ark herself, affectionately named "Death's Whisper" for both the lack of noise its power field emits and the hushed awe it creates when unsheathed. On her hip is a master crafted melta gun that has felled multitudes of Xenos and Chaos monstrosities alike. On her opposite hip, hanging from a long adamantine chain is the “Book of the Daughters” which contains all of the deeds and names of every Daughter to ever serve and die within the Deathwatch. They say the psychic energy of all the Sisters immortalized within provide extra protection for Master Mariana during battle.

As destructive as she is on the battlefield, Mariana displays an almost matronly quality in regards to her Battle-sisters; she personally oversees the creation of each new Daughter of Death, carefully monitoring their vital signs and easing their transitions from human beings into mighty Adeptus Astartes. She never leaves the sides of those few whose bodies reject the genetic implants and personally grants them the Emperor's Peace - each loss carried personally on her shoulders and turned into a fuel to ignite against the enemies of the Imperium.

Her Power Armor is an ancient suit of beautifully maintained Mk. IV Plate, handed down through the Chapter Masters from the first mother herself. Master crafted, the suit of armor is naturally black ceramite with black and silver adamantine inlays. In the center of the plate is an incredibly intricate carving of a broken black heart being coiled by two snakes. She is one of a select few Daughters of Death to display only one Deathwatch shoulder Pauldron (most other Battle Sisters don identical Deathwatch Shoulder Pauldrons on each arm); her right shoulder pauldron is a depiction of a bowed angel's head, two hands clasped together in prayer. Her helmet is crafted elegantly in the visage of an emotionless face, androgynous in sex yet beautiful and terrifying at the same time.

Her eyes are a piercing blue and her hair is as black as her armor. She has a smooth creamy complexion, with a proud nose and high cheek bones. Most would consider her beautiful if they weren't terrified of the raw power she exudes. She stands tall at 7'3" and exhibits an air of authority that few could fail to appreciate. She is calm and calculating, always choosing her words before she speaks and as a result has made many friends within the Deathwatch. It is unknown how old she is, but given her battle experience and command presence, it is postulated that Mariana had given four centuries of service to the Deathwatch before her ascension to Chapter Master.

Chapter Homeworld:

None. The Chapter uses Watch Station Erioch as its Fortress Monastery and is much smaller than a Codex Astartes compliant Chapter. As they are less a chapter than they are a small maintained fighting force overseen by the Ordo Xenos, the Daughters of Death rely on Ordo Xenos Inquisitors to bring back fresh recruits from the various worlds and planetary systems they come into contact with. Thus, philosophical and cultural beliefs may differ among Battle-Sisters of the Daughters of Death as much as they may between separate Space Marine Chapters.

Organisation:

"Unique Organization." Since the Daughters of Death are not a traditional Astartes Chapter, they do not, and because of their numbers cannot, adhere to the letter of the Codex Astartes. Much more akin to the specialist Grey Knights, the Daughters of Death do not comprise of companies, nor do they come close to the Codex approved 1,000 Astartes. They are versatile and trained to fight in any environment and situation, adapting as combat may change. They have no favored "style" of fighting and will use whatever is at their disposal to destroy the enemy. Some more fanatical/puritanical Daughters choose to exemplify terror when putting down their enemies. More than one potential rebellion has been put down by the appearance of a single Daughter of Death in full battle regalia casting promises of destruction and sermons from the Emperor over her Vox unit They are often loath to unnecessarily sacrifice any Imperial forces, especially themselves or other Astartes, but have been known to do so under the most dire of circumstances and only at the behest of those who are to be lost..

Daughters of Death Characters:

As a result of the natural inclination for Daughters to become Apothecaries, all Daughters of Death characters start with Medicae as a trained skill; those who choose to become Apothecaries may roll an additional 1d5 when healing members of her Kill Team. Another effect of living and operating exclusively within the confines of Watch Fortress Erioch has given the Daughters access to the many libraries and hypno-learning stations within the Fortress, as well as training in a multitude of Xenos-based fighting tactics. As a result, all Daughters characters start with +5 Intelligence and +5 Willpower and the Hatred (xenos - pick one) talent OR the Hatred (mutant) talent.

Daughters of Death also start with the "Natural and Adaptive" Solo Mode Ability. Pick one skill; at rank 1, the Daughter of Death may re-roll failed tests with this skill and the Medicae skill. At rank 4, the Daughter of Death gains +10 to all tests with this skill and the Medicae skill. At rank 8, the Daughter of Death gains a bonus degree of success.

Daughters of Death Squad Mode Abilities:

Name: Oath of Vengeance; Action: Free Action; Cost: 1; Sustained: No. When any member of the Kill Team suffers damage, the character receives a +4 bonus to Damage Rolls against the Attacker. At rank 5, this ability may be sustained.

Name: Only in Death; Action: Free Action; Cost: 3; Sustained: Yes. Daughters of Death are tenacious in their ability to stave off the effects of damage that would kill lesser beings. Through a mixture of medical expertise and stimulant use, the Daughters and those around them ignore the most grievous of their wounds. When active, the Space Marine and those within support range ignore the effects of any critical damage that would not kill them. Once this ability ends they suffer the full effects of any critical damage they may have received.

Beliefs:

"You give up your humanity that the citizens of the Imperium may keep theirs. Pity or despise them, but never expect them to understand."

The Daughters of Death are recruited from a number of various worlds and as such bring much of their original cultures with them. They do, however, conform to a stringent belief that the Emperor is above all. He created the Primarchs in his own image, male and female alike. It is only because of the Emperor that their existence is possible. Belief in the Emperor as a deity is up to the individual Battle-Sister and a product of where they were from, how they were raised, and what they believe after being inducted into the Adeptus Astartes, but more often than not he is worshipped as divine. They are quick to denounce the Xenos and Warp entities as obvious opponents to the glory of humanity's galactic empire and can find themselves at odds with Imperial Institutions as well: the Ecclesiarchy especially. For some, their humanitarian inclinations towards healing extend to all of humanity, for others, their healing grace is reserved for fellow Astartes only - such is the extent of a chapter with so few, yet so varied individuals.

Current Status:

Under Strength. As their only designation at the moment, as agreed upon by the High Lords of Terra, is to supplement Kill-Teams with extra fire power, the Daughters of Death maintain a strength of around 200-250 Space Marines at any given time. They often operate in Kill-Teams of other Daughters with a Watch Captain accompanying then should they need it. When the need arises, Battle-Sisters may be selected to serve in various other Deathwatch Kill Teams as necessary.

Battle Cry:

"Onward, Sisters! For Glory, For Joan, For the Emperor!"

Heraldry:

The Daughters of Death wear no personal chapter heraldry. Instead, they wear two identical Deathwatch Shoulder Pauldrons on each arm. If a Sister gains particular renown, it is not unknown for their right pauldron to be removed and replaced by a custom fitting depicting something dear to that particular Sister or a specific enemy bested. Chapter Commander and Chief Apothecary Mariana Cleo is an example of such a case, with a likeness of an angel in prayer adorning her right shoulder pauldron. Other notable designs have been mythological beasts from the Sister's homeworld or visages of the Emperor himself.

Livery:

As permanent members of the Deathwatch, the Daughters of Death have no livery to speak of. Their armor is jet black, as are their helmets. Their shoulder pauldrons and left arms are always completely silver, just as all Deathwatch. Their Apothecaries, however, bear one solid white line down the middle of their helmets, and a pair of white twisted snaked on their right knee pad. They may also take a white stud on their chest armor for every century of service.

Chapter Advance Table:

Xenos Bane (pg. 42, RoB). Trained extensively in the art of Xenos hunting, the Daughters of Death excel at purging the galaxy of the most vile alien threats to humanity.


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#12 Kshatriya

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 04:54 PM

Yes, fluff issues. The vast majority of Chapters rejects the Emperor's divinity - including the Black Templars. They see him as the greatest man who ever lived, and in a very real way their grandfather. They see him as a genius. Only a couple of Chapters buy into the Imperial Creed; the vast majority venerate the Emperor in a wholly different way - a model to look up to, like their Primarchs, but not a god. The Chapters, for the extreme most part, have little interest in the political power struggles of the Adeptus. They're almost wholly self-contained, choose their own missions, and don't care who is a High Lord so long as nothing heretical is happening over there. Consider how long it took them to get involved in the Reign of Blood and the Plague of Unbelief.

 

By contrast, the Sororitas gain their powers through deep abiding faith in the Emperor's divinity. They adhere to the Imperial Creed. They believe the Emperor is a god. Further, they're members of an organization (the Adeptus Ministorum) that actively seeks to gain power within the Imperium, despite its clashes with the Adeptus Terra. The Ministorum gains power using faith as a tool and as a weapon.

 

That in itself provides fluff reasons that the SoB (and the Ecclesiarchy in general) clash ideologically with the Space Marines. Yes, the Templars crusade hard like the Sororitas, but the 6e org chart doesn't obviate all the fluff issues the two groups have had in previous editions.



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 09:19 PM

Ouch ... I have to say, now it reads even more like a rip-off of the (real) Battle Sisters. Matter of preferences, of course, but Jeanne d'Arc is pretty much one of the main inspirations for the Adepta Sororitas. The fleur-de-lis comes from her, as does the name of the Sisters' original homeworld (San Leor <-> Orleans).

 

As for Inquisitors, I may have another recommendation there. Don't do stuff like "every Inquisitor is tasked with [...]" - the Inquisition doesn't work like this (or rather, there would be a special Ordo just for this), and is far more like a complex web of connections and internecine rivalries, than a real organisation with a solid hierarchy and structure.

How about letting a single Inquisitor or Lord Inquisitor "take charge" of this Chapter, using his or her own resources to support them, whilst simultaneously trying to gain sway over them? This would allow you to come up with one or more additional NPCs that are of note for the background, and you could even use Inquisitorial infighting as a further plot-element - for example, not every Inquisitor might agree that this Chapter is worth supporting, or indeed, worth being left in existence.

 

 


The vast majority of Chapters rejects the Emperor's divinity - including the Black Templars.

 

Actually ...

 

"Unlike other Chapters, who venerate the Emperor as their creator and the rightful ruler of Imperium, the Black Templars believe him to be a divinity to whom they offer worship. It is unknown when in the Chapter's history the belief of the Emperor's divinity began to take root or how such ardent faith could so totally grip the warriors of the Chapter. All that is known for sure is that for several millennia, the Black Templars have offered prayers and service to the Master of Mankind as a god and they see themselves as his chosen warriors, enforcing his divine will in a dark and troubled galaxy with the edge of a sword. [...] Though they are under no obligation to offer any aid, the Black Templars often find common purpose with the Ecclesiarchy. Many times in their glorious history, the Black Templars have gone to war alongside the devout Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas, and a complex web of mutual obligation and honour has evolved."

- 6E Codex Space Marines

 

And honestly, this comes to little surprise to me. All their past studio fluff was heavily laced with religious terms such as "praying to the Emperor" or their "holy zeal", not to mention the Champions with their visions or the very name and insignia of the Chapter (I doubt these things are chosen randomly). This is pretty much just a coming-out, and the claim that the Templars would not be adherents to the Imperial Creed was always nothing more than a theory amongst some fans, though it may have also found its way into a BL novel or two.

 

The Allies Chart made little sense back then (and my arguments against it seem vindicated in light of the above quote), and the BT-SoB combo is, unfortunately, by far not the only example of silliness there...

 

In the Templars' last Codex, they had a battle banner honouring Sebastian Thor's forces and the Sororitas for their actions during the Siege of the Ecclesiarchal Palace. During the Vinculus Crusade, High Marshal Ludoldus fought side by side with Canoness Jasmine against cultists and daemons. And on Armageddon, High Marshal Helbrecht personally recovered important Ecclesiarchy relics from the ruins of a shattered cathedral.

 

But, of course, Codex fluff is not binding - there is no canon, after all - so in theory one could disregard this "coming out" of the Templars in GW's newest Marine 'dex. Emperor knows, lots of Codex fluff is dismissed in this RPG.  ;)

 

Still, the Sisters kind of "fit in" with the other Marine Chapters in that they like some Chapters and dislike others. The above is not the only example of Battle Sisters fighting alongside Astartes in the new Marine Codex, and the general fact that they do is also not new fluff as well, but has been consistent in studio material ever since 2nd Edition.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 03:05 AM

 

Ouch ... I have to say, now it reads even more like a rip-off of the (real) Battle Sisters. Matter of preferences, of course, but Jeanne d'Arc is pretty much one of the main inspirations for the Adepta Sororitas. The fleur-de-lis comes from her, as does the name of the Sisters' original homeworld (San Leor <-> Orleans).

 

 

I wouldn't know. I haven't read up much of anything at all on the Adeptus Sororitas. And I really have a thing for Milla Jovovich, especially in The Messenger. In fact, I named my AR-15 Joan because of this. Oh well, that is just a really easy name change. Since the only thing I noticed from your critique was a problem of similar Matronly character. ;) But hey, if you can save the "ouch" snobbery in the future, it would be appreciated Haha. Thanks.

 

 

 

How about letting a single Inquisitor or Lord Inquisitor "take charge" of this Chapter, using his or her own resources to support them, whilst simultaneously trying to gain sway over them? This would allow you to come up with one or more additional NPCs that are of note for the background, and you could even use Inquisitorial infighting as a further plot-element - for example, not every Inquisitor might agree that this Chapter is worth supporting, or indeed, worth being left in existence.

 

 

Now that is a very good idea. That does make more sense and I love the opportunities it opens up. Thank you.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 05:58 AM

It certainly wasn't intended to come across snobbish - you have to understand that, from the looks of it, you are basically plundering my favourite faction for terms and aspects of style (even if coincidentally?), whilst simultaneously expressing the idea of it "not being good enough" for you. So I do feel somewhat "hurt".
 
I apologise if it sounded aggressive or condescending.
 
(I agree about Ms. Jovovich and that movie, though!)

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:13 AM

I don't understand how my idea is plundering anything. Female Astartes don't exist and however much people want to believe the SoB are a similar alternative, they just aren't. There is nothing superhuman about them. I could say that Diet coke is a great alternative to regular coke, but I would be lying being diet coke is moose piss.

 

I just learned from you that the SoB have a founder that is similar to Joan of Arc. I should have assumed that, but didn't (in retrospect it makes sense that they would pull from such a figure). But that was all based on a character I created after my original post, which aside from not being canon, which is kind of the point, shouldn't really matter. I wanted to know if this could work mechanically. The original critiques of the Primarch's curse have been noted and these have been adjusted.

 

edit: Don`t trip, Lynata. I still like you and I think this relationship will work. Hahaha. It was a long day yesterday, I apologize as well if I came across a tad more douchey than necessary. Your input has been very helpful.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 09:33 AM

[...] diet coke is moose piss.


[...]

I will be liking this one post. But I want to make it clear that I'm only doing so because of this single line.

That is all.


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These things are dumb and do not exist. This is non-negotiable and undebatable.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 05:07 PM

and I want to make it clear that I will be reading way too far into that and assume that we have a bromance of immense scale happening right under our noses. Good luck and godspeed.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:45 AM

I would like to go on record as liking both Diet Coke and Moose Piss.  But mostly because I don't like coffee and need something low-calorie to wake me up in the morning (or sometimes in the middle of the afternoon).  Given a choice between Diet Coke and Mosse Piss, I'll take the Diet Coke everytime.  Both will wake you up, but only Diet Coke is appropriate in polite company. 

 

I don't know that there was a need to change any of your mechanical issues from the first post.

 

I also agree that tying the chapter to a single Inquisitor offers some really good opportunities.  I could see it tying well into any number of themes from 'Three Musketeers'.  You've already got a bit of a 'all for one, one for all' vibe, and having the organization taken over by an inquistor that WANTS THEM DESTROYED gives you some interesting story options.  Follow their orders, or refuse? 

 

Since I take it that won't be the focus of this particular campaign, you can keep that in your back pocket as background issues.  Your player might end up having to take out the Inquisitor to save her chapter - since she would be with the Deathwatch she would be outside of his direct command. 


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:06 AM

I am not going to lie, I may be sexually attracted to you DDMW, just based on your posts alone.






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