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Do surge:stun abilities need to do damage?

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#1 Vejita00



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 06:58 PM

On many maces and such, it lists things like Surge:Stun. Does this require actual damage to be done for the stun to apply even with a surge? A lot of monster abilities that list the same, actually require damage to be done.

is this the same for hero attacks as well?

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#2 mustardayonnaiz



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:31 PM

page 15 talks about conditions.


Stun is a condition. 


You need to deal at least 1 heart after defense die are rolled to apply any condition.


Other abilities like, Knockback, do not require the damage to be dealt. 

#3 Steve-O



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 06:33 AM

To be clear, you can spend the surge on that ability whether you're dealing damage or not, but the affected figure will not receive the Stun condition unless at least one point of damage is also dealt.  This can be important for things like AoE attacks where each affected figure rolls defense dice separately - some may receive the condition while others do not, based on their defense rolls.


Also note that there's a shield (Iron Shield?) that allows you to Stun a different figure than the one you were attacking.  FFG has said that this shield may still apply the condition even though it didn't hurt the figure that Stun was being placed on.  That's an exception to the general rules, though.

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