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#21 rugal

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 01:27 PM

The only bad idea was to sell them one by one.

So the price is more than a box with the 6 of them (maybe around 20%)

 

That's a shame.

 

And Personnaly I prefer buy lieutenants and no other games, than the opposite



#22 thitan

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 01:34 PM

i prefer one box with all of the core set and another with the other of the the expansion lieutinents



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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:32 PM

The only bad idea was to sell them one by one.

So the price is more than a box with the 6 of them (maybe around 20%)

 

That's a shame.

 

And Personnaly I prefer buy lieutenants and no other games, than the opposite

 

They will be getting more money for the lieutenants as singles (and per marketing -- you can only use one agent deck per campaign), so it's smarter for them this way. And you can fault them for wanting to make more money. You're paying for quality. Gawd I feel like I should be an FFG representative.


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#24 rugal

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:39 PM

I would, if the wiz-war expansion wasn't so ... disapointing. So, i'm not sure my money is well used



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 10:14 AM

I'm sure we'd also run into people complaining if they boxed them all together: "But all I really want is the Belthir deck. I don't really care about the other lieutenants and can't afford to spend $40 now. I'd rather be able to just pick up the ones I want when I want them."

 

I think if it was something where they were each useable in a campaign, it might be a different story. But as is, someone could spend $8 to get one for one campaign, and when that was approaching completion, they could pick up another one. So maybe $40 now, versus $48 spread out over a year (depending on how long it takes them to play a campaign).



#26 Lord_Daxl

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 02:13 PM

I find it offensive that I have to shell out $40+ dollars to get figures that should have been included in the original game!

 

I don't mind paying money for additional content.  But this seems really gimicky.  Package up additional content with a plastic figure, so people who just want the plastic figure don't feel totally ripped off.

 

If they're going to force me to buy figures that should be included in the original game, they could have at least stuck with the premium pewter ones.


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Posted 13 September 2013 - 02:58 PM

...? They're not forcing you to buy anything?


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Posted 13 September 2013 - 04:14 PM

I find it offensive that I have to shell out $40+ dollars to get figures that should have been included in the original game!

 

I don't mind paying money for additional content.  But this seems really gimicky.  Package up additional content with a plastic figure, so people who just want the plastic figure don't feel totally ripped off.

 

If they're going to force me to buy figures that should be included in the original game, they could have at least stuck with the premium pewter ones.

 

Has it occurred to you that maybe designing the lieutenants this way was an after thought?  I'd be pissed at FFG if they released these figures on the opening day of the 2nd edition box set.

 

FFG did not pull a fast one like EA / Bioware did for Mass Effect 3.

 

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 06:37 PM

I find it offensive that I have to shell out $40+ dollars to get figures that should have been included in the original game!

 

I don't mind paying money for additional content.  But this seems really gimicky.  Package up additional content with a plastic figure, so people who just want the plastic figure don't feel totally ripped off.

 

If they're going to force me to buy figures that should be included in the original game, they could have at least stuck with the premium pewter ones.

 

I don't think this was a gimmick at all. I'm sure FFG thought of adding in these figures back when they were first designing the core set, but I'm betting that cost made it prohibitive. The core set already came with a great deal of material, so I have always been able to see why these were not included - especially if FFG wanted to keep it all in a certain price range.

 

Furthermore, I'm glad they didn't use pewter, as it would have messed with the look too much.

 

If anything I commend FFG for going back and providing us with these add-ons.



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 07:42 PM

 

I find it offensive that I have to shell out $40+ dollars to get figures that should have been included in the original game!

 

I don't mind paying money for additional content.  But this seems really gimicky.  Package up additional content with a plastic figure, so people who just want the plastic figure don't feel totally ripped off.

 

If they're going to force me to buy figures that should be included in the original game, they could have at least stuck with the premium pewter ones.

 

I don't think this was a gimmick at all. I'm sure FFG thought of adding in these figures back when they were first designing the core set, but I'm betting that cost made it prohibitive. The core set already came with a great deal of material, so I have always been able to see why these were not included - especially if FFG wanted to keep it all in a certain price range.

 

I disagree.  I believe the figures were intentionally kept out, with the idea of selling them to us later.  This is how it was done when they were originally released for Road to Legend.  I'm not saying it's wrong, FFG is all about its add-on products and it is to be expected.  Six addition minis might have raised the cost of each game a dollar or two, at most.  But they can make a lot more doing it this way.  Not that there's anything wrong with it; they have a business to support and speciality products charge a premium.



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 08:26 PM

They're forcing indirectly for us to buy, because every time you play you get angry with that damn token and want them to be a miniature. it feels incomplete game. this is the marketing game. If we are not being forced, why don't  they provide the decks to download??

  The fantasyflight is famous in the gaming industry and part is because of that. I was impressed that they distributed on the Internet manual revised edition of runewars.

runewars is and always will be a game full of expansions that you never really know what buy. because the curve of balancing it leans to one side and to the other side in every Expansion, and you're trying to fix that with expansions. hoping to go one sick freak expansions so good when the road of legend that had the descent first edition, in this second edition. that's a need to buy.

who lives in the United States is still possible to buy in a shop easily. but who is not still have to pay high prices to import. Shipping and fees when I buy something only spent $ 50 in shipping. several boxes I break my legs and stick my pocket.


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#32 rugal

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 05:08 AM

I understand your way of thinking, but you can also buy and use another mini for lieutenant

 

and FFG is here to do money, so , it may sometimes be frustrating

 

I also don't live in USA (france), and I know some places to buy import stuff not so pricey. So, why can't you ? And with the internet, with good seach, you can find good prices.



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Posted 14 September 2013 - 05:34 AM

You are not forced to buy them, so if you don't want them, don't worry. It's cool. They are giving you a whole addition to the game. It's like mini campaigns, really. The twist with the game will make the game more worthy to play again and again. Come on. They aren't twisting our arms to by the expansions either. Should be we upset that they planed out the expansions as well without adding them into the core set? That's ridiculous.


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#34 Lord_Daxl

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 07:07 AM

You are not forced to buy them, so if you don't want them, don't worry. It's cool. They are giving you a whole addition to the game. It's like mini campaigns, really. The twist with the game will make the game more worthy to play again and again. Come on. They aren't twisting our arms to by the expansions either. Should be we upset that they planed out the expansions as well without adding them into the core set? That's ridiculous.

This is completely different from an expansion.  An expansion is an add on to the base game, I still have a complete game if I choose not buy an expansion.  However, in order to have a complete base game with all of the game pieces, I have to buy the miniatures.  The original box did not advertise "46 of 54 miniatures you need included", it advertised 46 miniatures which I assumed was all you needed.

I realize this is now the norm for most publishers when selling any sort of game, whether it be a box game or a video game.  However, I've always held in high regard the ones that stuck to the model of selling a complete game, and trying to make money off of true additional content.  It just shocks me that FFG has sunk to the level of Electronic Arts.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 08:41 AM

 

You are not forced to buy them, so if you don't want them, don't worry. It's cool. They are giving you a whole addition to the game. It's like mini campaigns, really. The twist with the game will make the game more worthy to play again and again. Come on. They aren't twisting our arms to by the expansions either. Should be we upset that they planed out the expansions as well without adding them into the core set? That's ridiculous.

This is completely different from an expansion.  An expansion is an add on to the base game, I still have a complete game if I choose not buy an expansion.  However, in order to have a complete base game with all of the game pieces, I have to buy the miniatures.  The original box did not advertise "46 of 54 miniatures you need included", it advertised 46 miniatures which I assumed was all you needed.

I realize this is now the norm for most publishers when selling any sort of game, whether it be a box game or a video game.  However, I've always held in high regard the ones that stuck to the model of selling a complete game, and trying to make money off of true additional content.  It just shocks me that FFG has sunk to the level of Electronic Arts.

 

 

Sunk? As pointed out before, they did this with D1 as well. We should have expected it! Have you ever played Pathfinder? You have to buy a book (and more then one book in time). And then dice. And then a mini for your character. They are not sold together for the sake of money for them and for verity for the player. I don't think this too much different aside from the fact that the LT are all the same.

 

I am also under the strong assumption that they PLANED on making the LT minis only, but then heard an outcry from the form community. OL wanted a hero for themselves to buff instead of or with their current deck. So FFG said, let's give it to them with their minis! And so they did it, and they are proud to make their fans happy, and we all feel good about it. Or so we should.

 

Has this become a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" kind of moment?


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#36 Redkeghead

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 08:48 AM

I guess they should have added a familiar mini to and not a token. So you guys would have a "complete" game.

#37 Lord_Daxl

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 09:25 AM

 

 

You are not forced to buy them, so if you don't want them, don't worry. It's cool. They are giving you a whole addition to the game. It's like mini campaigns, really. The twist with the game will make the game more worthy to play again and again. Come on. They aren't twisting our arms to by the expansions either. Should be we upset that they planed out the expansions as well without adding them into the core set? That's ridiculous.

This is completely different from an expansion.  An expansion is an add on to the base game, I still have a complete game if I choose not buy an expansion.  However, in order to have a complete base game with all of the game pieces, I have to buy the miniatures.  The original box did not advertise "46 of 54 miniatures you need included", it advertised 46 miniatures which I assumed was all you needed.

I realize this is now the norm for most publishers when selling any sort of game, whether it be a box game or a video game.  However, I've always held in high regard the ones that stuck to the model of selling a complete game, and trying to make money off of true additional content.  It just shocks me that FFG has sunk to the level of Electronic Arts.

 

 

Sunk? As pointed out before, they did this with D1 as well. We should have expected it! Have you ever played Pathfinder? You have to buy a book (and more then one book in time). And then dice. And then a mini for your character. They are not sold together for the sake of money for them and for verity for the player. I don't think this too much different aside from the fact that the LT are all the same.

 

I am also under the strong assumption that they PLANED on making the LT minis only, but then heard an outcry from the form community. OL wanted a hero for themselves to buff instead of or with their current deck. So FFG said, let's give it to them with their minis! And so they did it, and they are proud to make their fans happy, and we all feel good about it. Or so we should.

 

Has this become a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" kind of moment?

 

I don't know what you're talking about as far as D1.  I played D1 and it had every thing I needed to play the game (what miniatures was it missing???).

As far as the comparison to RPGs.  The only thing you need to play an RPG is dice and paper and pencil.  Paper and pencil are a bit of a given that people are going to have, and they typically have a disclaimer on the book stating that dice aren't included and that certain other necessary books are needed to play.

Say what you may, you're not going to convince me that this wasn't a cheap marketing ploy to sell more product.  There's absolutely no reason not to include the necessary miniatures in the base game.  Want to sell bonus little extra content cards to go with them?  Fine, do it, but let them stand on their own merit.  Don't force me to buy it, just so I have real miniatures to use for key characters when playing the base game.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 12:52 PM

If you played Road to Legend, you should know that ALL of the lieutenants (about 17 with seas of blood) were sold separatedly in pewter around 9$ each, and the expansion gives instead of minis only tokens (same logic as descent 2)

 

So, this is not from today. Now, if you don't want to buy them, don't !

If it's not cheaper enough, too bad for you.

Now, if you think the base game should have the minis, somewhere, I think I too wished for less lieutenant and minis inside instead.

 

But, whatever, they could have sold the minis like they do now, and they would be cheaper. Furthermore, you can't really blame FFG to try to make money. Or, in the first place, don't buy the game 'cause it's "uncomplete"



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:31 PM

Let's see the chronology about the lieutenant figures

 

1) FGG does only provide cardboard tokens for the lieutenants in the base game.

2) Many were asking for lieutenant figures - there was speculation about their being in metal (as the D1 lieutenants were) or in plastic

3) FFG then produces them with nice additional options.

 

This opens to different attitudes :

 

a) Those who asked must be reasonably happy.

b) Some who didn't ask may be interested - especially as there are those plot cards added.

c) Others don't care.

d) Some just see another occasion to accuse FFG of unproven hidden motives ("I tell you, there is a conspiration!") and complain about the price of optional items that are not essential to have fun playing the game.

 

Now, let's have a real life perspectiveOur world goes spinning around, with 70'000 people (= 20 Twin Towers) silently dying of hunger every day.

 

So, whether one only plays with the basic game or adds the new lieutenants, we are in the domain of futility anyway.

 

Whining about the price of the lieutenants is at the best a storm in a teacup.


Edited by Robin, 16 September 2013 - 02:32 PM.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 04:16 PM

d) Some just see another occasion to accuse FFG of unproven hidden motives ("I tell you, there is a conspiration!") and complain about the price of optional items that are not essential to have fun playing the game.

 

For me,

Lieutenants pack increases the overall fun of the OL ...

In the current state: OL fun <<< Heroes fun


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