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#1 OggDude

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 01:55 AM

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Hi everyone.  Thought I’d let you all know that I’ve been working on a SW:EOTE character generator for the past month.  It is very close to completion; I’m mainly still adding data (some descriptions are not in place yet).  It pretty much allows you to create any character you can possibly create from the Core Rulebook.  It also supports special talents such as Jury Rigged, Dedication, etc., and allows you to add any weapon or armor attachment you want.  I’ve created a four-page character sheet that you can print, based around the design concept from the characters in the Basic Game (which I thought was cleaner than the sheet found in the Core Rulebook).

 

Future additions will include starships/vehicles, group sheets (including obligation tables), and NPC and encounter group generator.

 

I've written this in .NET using C#, so it'll be for the Windows platform and will require the .NET 4.0 framework.  The data files are all in XML, so they can be easily modified if you want to add your own piece of equipment, new skills, etc.  I currently do NOT have a data editor in the works, but I may write one if I get enough requests.

 

I’m including some screen shots here so you can take a look at how the screens are laid out and what the character sheets look like.  I'd appreciate feedback on how the layout could be improved, features I may have missed, requests for new features, organization of the character sheets, etc.  If you have any specific questions concerning how features are implemented, just ask!

 

Again, I'll be releasing the actual product for testing shortly, so please bear with the screen shots for now.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

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Screenshots:

 

Character load screen

Description

Description with portrait selection

Background

Obligations

Species

Species (human with skills option)

Career

Characteristics

Specializations

Specializations with Dedication talent

Motivations

Skills

Equipment

Force Powers

Attachments

New attachment example

Character sheet page 1 (Stats/Skills/Weapons)

Character sheet page 2 (Description/Motivations/Obligations/Background)

Character sheet page 3 (Features/XP/Talents/Force Powers)

Character sheet page 4 (Encum/Money/Equipment)


Edited by OggDude, 27 August 2013 - 01:34 PM.

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#2 Kainrath

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 01:59 AM

wow!
this looks incredible, man...
good work!


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 02:03 AM

This is awesome, I can't wait to see the end result.
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Posted 24 August 2013 - 04:28 AM

New talent tree added... Character creation thing builder....
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#5 Donovan Morningfire

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 04:45 AM

A fair warning, but if you're including the material for the core rulebook, don't be surprised if you one day see a Cease & Desist letter from FFG or Lucasfilm/Disney.

 

Back in the day, a chap over on the Holonet Forums by the handle of Balrog created a pretty kick-ass program/application for the OCR/RCR version of Star Wars that included everything, from class abilities to feats to gear, and was set-up to allow folks to add their own custom elements.  After several months of this program being around, he got a C&D letter from WotC, since he was infringing on various copyrights by having a dedicated program (LucasArts) and material from the rulebooks (WotC & Lucasfilm Publishing).  Thing was, WotC only issued the C&D letter because Lucusfilm told them to do so; pretty sure WotC was aware of the program, as JD Wiker even planned to talk to his boss about making it an officially-sponsored WotC app but was let go before that conversation could happen.

 

Bren_Waynero's Excel spreadsheet gets around this by being an Excel spreadsheet rather than a custom-built program as well as not including the full text on the various talents and gear.

 

That said, what you've got looks pretty cool.  But I'd be remiss if I didn't at least provide a note of caution based on what I've seen in the past with similar instances.  FFG might not have an issue themselves, but if Lucasfilm or Disney (both of which can be pretty intense about protecting their IP, especially if they think that you're costing them sales) catch wind of it, you might find yourself in a similar boat as Balrog did.


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 04:50 AM

It might be best to leave the database blank and have people fill it in themselves.

Yes, this will be a pain to people using it, but I can really see this being shut down super fast if released as is.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 04:54 AM

It might be best to leave the database blank and have people fill it in themselves.

Yes, this will be a pain to people using it, but I can really see this being shut down super fast if released as is.

There's a chap by the handle of jasonjrr over on the d20 boards that has a chargen program that does just that.  The format for the system is there, but you've got to enter all the information yourself.  I've not used it, so I've no idea what the format or final character sheet looks like.

 

it's annoying, but it beats getting into legal trouble with the license holders.


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#8 OggDude

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 05:30 AM

A fair warning, but if you're including the material for the core rulebook, don't be surprised if you one day see a Cease & Desist letter from FFG or Lucasfilm/Disney.

 

Thanks for the warning.  What exactly do they beef about?  The flavor text?  Names and terms?  You'd think that they'd be happy someone is promoting their game and not receiving any money for it.

 

I could take out all of the descriptions.  Heck, they were a pain to enter in anyway :)  But it'll be kind of hard to remove terms like "Brawn" or "Soak"...

 

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 05:38 AM

Also, just to add so I'm not just coming in here doom and gloom: the generator itself looks really nice! Though I personally don't see a need for a generator for EotE that is really some snazzy design you came up with.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 05:41 AM

If you can build a character without the need of the book, then there will probably be problems.

 

BTW... That looks awesome!


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 05:54 AM

I don't think you need to remove titles, but details such as Talent descriptions and other game mechanics. Make sure, as noted above, that you still need the book to create a character.



#12 OggDude

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 06:19 AM

So, you think removing the flavor text and, say, putting reference page numbers in their place for where to find the information in the Core Rulebook would do the trick?  I could do this for pretty much all of the descriptions, such as for obligations, characteristics, motivations, skills, attachments, weapons and gear, etc.  I don't add any long-winded descriptions to the character sheet, only short synopses of a few things, such as talents and force powers.  And, of course, the entire purpose of a character generator, when it comes down to it, is creating a character sheet :)  So as long as the sheet doesn't get affected, the generator is still serving its main purpose.

 

The only other things, I suppose, are the logo (easily replaced) and pictures of equipment, which are cool, but optional.

 

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 10:30 AM

Thanks for the warning.  What exactly do they beef about?  The flavor text?  Names and terms?  You'd think that they'd be happy someone is promoting their game and not receiving any money for it.

 

I could take out all of the descriptions.  Heck, they were a pain to enter in anyway :)  But it'll be kind of hard to remove terms like "Brawn" or "Soak"...

 

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As others have said, if your char-gen app replaces the need for the books at all, then you're probably going to be in trouble (as was the case with the Okina-Rdae program), especially if you're announcing your intent to create said program right on the company's forums.

 

Removing the descriptions of the talents (namely, what they do) and equipment (leaving just the hard mechanical numbers and quality names) should alleviate most of that concern.  But I'm not a legal expert, so even just the fact that you have the species, talents and specializations included could be to "too much" form where the companies involved are concerned.


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#14 OggDude

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 10:48 AM

If anyone from FFG would chime in on this, it would be helpful :)

 

In the meantime, let me know what you all think about the app.

 

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 11:12 AM

I often wonder why more RPG companies dont invest in the tech side of things, like a simple character builder.  The character builder that WOTC had for 4e for awhile was incredibly helpful, especially for newer or less experienced players.  Its also less of a headache for GM to double check every thing is legal/correct math when a player makes a character.

 

I look forward to giving your app a shot, get crackin!


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#16 OggDude

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:05 PM

Here's an example of what I did with the flavor text (in this case, for motivations).  I've removed all descriptions and replaced them with page numbers.  Talents and force powers, however, have a shortened version of the flavor text that shows up on the character sheet.  This is the text that appears in the spec tree, as opposed to the text in the talents (or force) chapter.  If I eliminate this, it affects the character sheet.

 

But... if that's the way they want it, I'll take out the talent and force power text as well.That means I'll have to create an editor so you can put them in yourself.  The special dice and symbols, as well as bold, italic, various headers, etc., can be added to straight text using substitution fields.  For instance, a threat symbol would be entered as "[THREAT]", ability dice as "[ABILITY]", bold as "[B]" and "[b]", level 4 header as "[H4]", etc.  So, if someone else wants to enter in the flavor text, copying it from their own copy of the book, for their own personal use, blah blah blah, they can :)

 

Just for giggles, here's all of the embedded codes that I support for descriptive text:

 

Dice and Symbols:

 

[ABILITY]

[ADVANTAGE]

[BOOST]

[CHALLENGE]

[DARK]

[DESPAIR]

[DIFFICULTY]

[FAILURE]

[FORCE]

[LIGHT]

[PROFICIENCY]

[SETBACK]

[SUCCESS]

[THREAT]

[TRIUMPH]

 

Other tags:

 

[B] [b]  Bold on/off

[I] [i]     Italics on/off

[H1] [h1] Header 1 on/off (large blue/gray header)

[H2] [h2] Header 2 on/off (dark brown header)

[H3] [h3] Header 3 on/off (olive right-justified header)

[H4] [h4] Header 4 on/off (smaller lighter brown header)

[P] New paragraph

[BR] Break/new line

[S] [s] Small text (such as for talents)

[T] [t] Talent text for the character sheet

[TA] [ta]  Talent text for alternative lines (lt brown background)

[W] [w]  Weapon text for the character sheet

[WA] [wa]  Weapon text for alternative lines (lt brown background)

 

Plus, you can put in HTML if you want, as I'm rendering descriptive text using web browser controls using an embedded style sheet.

 

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#17 lupex

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 01:07 PM

I think you should be fine with the text that is on the trees as we are allowed to photocopy them for use.

I also don't necessarily think you need any additional text for the obligations/motivations, just leave it as page numbers and also a space for notes about the details of the specifics in relation to the character.
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Posted 24 August 2013 - 02:41 PM

You are probably fine (if they end up allowing this) with keeping the basic numbers (encumbrance, damage, etc) for gear along with their names.



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Posted 24 August 2013 - 04:37 PM

In regards to Force Powers and Talents, you're probably good with just using the names and a page number.  It's what I did for my Ways of the Force fan supplement when listing talents from the core rulebook.

While we can photocopy the talent trees for personal use, loading them onto a freely available program that anyone can download falls outside of "personal use."

 

For some of the Control Upgrades, I'd suggest coming up with some kind of descriptive name to tag onto them, such as "danger sense" for the Sense Control Upgrade in the left-hand column of Row 2 and "sense thoughts" for the right-hand column Control Upgrade in the same row.


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:54 AM

so what type of program is it going to be? is it going to be excel or what type?






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