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#1 noodles

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:41 PM

Sorry if this has already been asked but if I recall correctly, some of the D1 lieutenants are the same as the D2 lieutenants.  Does that mean the old metal minis will work?



#2 Robin

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:58 PM

Those that correspond with D2 lieutenants will.


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#3 Steve-O

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:36 PM

Yes, the old D1 LTs for the Farrows are perfectly well suited to D2E as well.  The scale of the spaces has not changed, so they'll still fit.

 

In fact, I suspect that if FFG ever does get around to releasing D2E LTs, the Farrows will just be the same figures in a new package.



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:12 PM

Yes, the old D1 LTs for the Farrows are perfectly well suited to D2E as well.  The scale of the spaces has not changed, so they'll still fit.

 

In fact, I suspect that if FFG ever does get around to releasing D2E LTs, the Farrows will just be the same figures in a new package.

 

I really hope they do release them... my LGS had almost all of the first edition lieutenants for as long as I can remember, but right when I decided to buy the Farrows (I was reluctant because I prefer plastic over metal, plus they're pretty pricey), they were all gone. I'm still bitter about it.

 

They didn't even have a Siren as a consolation prize (who isn't second edition, but darnit, I wanted a lieutenant mini!).



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Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:49 PM

I much prefer a plastic LT then pewter. It's cheaper and this isn't a Games Workshop game! For a game like this just make it all plastic! Ill paint it if I need it more special.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:46 PM

I much prefer a plastic LT then pewter. It's cheaper and this isn't a Games Workshop game! For a game like this just make it all plastic! Ill paint it if I need it more special.

 

Actually, from what I understand, metal is cheaper than plastic if you're making individual figures.  It's part of the reason why the D1E LTs were released in pewter in the first place.  Plastic is only cheaper in bulk.  The lion's share of a Descent box's sticker price is the plastic inside.



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Posted 20 July 2013 - 01:36 PM

I used to work as a figure sculptor for a few different minis companies including Grenadier Models back in the day, and I can tell you What Steve-O says is true. The making of the stainless steel molds used for making the plastic minis such as the ones used for the minis here is a complicated process that can cost many thousands of dollars to make, the molds for metal miniatures, made with a much simpler process, cost maybe a couple of hundred at the most to make. Overall, metal is way cheaper for miniatures in the much smaller runs that they will be doing for the LT minis. The expense of making the plastic minis is only financially viable in the large number of them made that are included in each game or expansion.


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Posted 20 July 2013 - 03:26 PM

And if the figures are never painted then the metal with give the Lt some stage prassents, maybe? I think so.


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#9 BatHead

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

Well, I personally plan to paint every Descent mini I have or will have, metal and plastic, from both D 1 and D2. Whether that actually happens or not is another story, LOL.


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#10 Kunzite

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 07:13 PM

Well, I personally plan to paint every Descent mini I have or will have, metal and plastic, from both D 1 and D2. Whether that actually happens or not is another story, LOL.

 

I would LOVE to paint them. It's not my set, but I think they would let me. the problem is I feel like I need someone to hold my hand with the first one or two and then I could do the rest. I can be told what to do till I'm blue in the face and still not get it. I do best shown.


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:17 AM

I used to work as a figure sculptor for a few different minis companies including Grenadier Models back in the day, and I can tell you What Steve-O says is true. The making of the stainless steel molds used for making the plastic minis such as the ones used for the minis here is a complicated process that can cost many thousands of dollars to make, the molds for metal miniatures, made with a much simpler process, cost maybe a couple of hundred at the most to make. Overall, metal is way cheaper for miniatures in the much smaller runs that they will be doing for the LT minis. The expense of making the plastic minis is only financially viable in the large number of them made that are included in each game or expansion.

And what about resin ?



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:24 PM

 

I used to work as a figure sculptor for a few different minis companies including Grenadier Models back in the day, and I can tell you What Steve-O says is true. The making of the stainless steel molds used for making the plastic minis such as the ones used for the minis here is a complicated process that can cost many thousands of dollars to make, the molds for metal miniatures, made with a much simpler process, cost maybe a couple of hundred at the most to make. Overall, metal is way cheaper for miniatures in the much smaller runs that they will be doing for the LT minis. The expense of making the plastic minis is only financially viable in the large number of them made that are included in each game or expansion.

And what about resin ?

 

Resin is a whole other thing. While making a mold for resin is relatively cheap, the problem comes in with the fact that, If you get  a bad casting with metal, you can just toss the piece back into the pot to be remelted, the plastic minis such as those in the Descent game can be chopped up and remelted also, Resin figures cannot be recycled, if you get a bad casting, they can only be thrown away, the material used in that casting is wasted. The number of bad castings that would occur in the amount of figures required would be financially infeasible. Also, casting would require a vacuum chamber to reduce air bubbles in the piece. All of this would limit the number of figures you could cast up in a certain amount of time, again, negatively impacting the cost/benefit ratio. One last thing, resin is way to brittle to be used for small gaming figures that will be constantly handled, it's much more suitable for casting up larger scale model kits and statues in somewhat limited runs, These are the reasons that resin cast figures are so expensive and it would be even more so for gaming minis. The cost would be way to prohibitive, for both the company and the gamer.


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#13 Kunzite

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:35 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Resin really soft as well?


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Posted 24 July 2013 - 05:19 AM

thanks for the answer

 

too bad ! :(

 

I hate so much metal minis, it's heavy, ugly, a real trouble with glue.

I really like plastic, and resin.

 

So, I will have to find my own lieutenants, in plastic



#15 Ringskipper

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 07:44 PM

I wonder if other first edition lieutenants will end up popping up in the second edition expansions somewhere down the line. I'd love it if the siren was featured in a water-themed small set.



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Posted 28 July 2013 - 08:23 AM

Well i know last year at Gencon they where selling the all three of the Farrows and by the end of con i believe they where out of them. The one good thing about them is the only assembly is to glue to the base.



#17 BatHead

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 09:32 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Resin really soft as well?

No, it's actually somewhat brittle. One reason its not really suitable for small minis, anything long and thin like a sword or arm, will snap right of with little effort. It's better suited for much larger figures like statues and such.






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