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#21 Yepesnopes

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:45 AM

D&D, D&D, D&D, D&D, D&D, D&D, D&D, D&D…

When the other rpgs were erased from your minds?


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#22 Emirikol

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 06:00 PM

I'm interested to see it and the index of cards.  Just looking abak a tthe old spells from 2e, it doesn't seem

that in prior editions, even lip service was given to non-combat spells.  At least 3e has all of the social action

cards. (below the picture)

 

 

 

Hyper Convenient List of Social Actions

Basic:  Perform Stunt (social): Card difficulty is one purple, plus whatever the opposed check is (if applicable)  Green/Red and recharge time are coded.

 

(highlighted are influencers)

 

CORE/Player's Guide (p274+) (Green/Red) Purple/black

1.        Big City Bravado (G/R)b-red social bonus white

2.        Conundrum (G/R)-delay one ability one round

3.        Devious Manoeuvre (G/R)-target gains one bonus or penalty

4.        Exploit Opening (G/R)b-ally gets a free maneuver

5.        Fake Out (G)-®b-influence

6.        Fear Me! (G/R)bb-influence and fear1

7.        Fluster (G/R)bb-green white bonus to social

8.        Formal Diplomacy/Informal Carousing (G)bb®P-influence

9.        Honeyed Words (G/R)--influence

10.     I Thought We Were Friends (G/R)b-green gets penalty to social

11.     Inspiring Words (G/R)bb-inspired and influence

12.     Scrutinize (G/R)b-learn fact

13.     Staring Contest (G/R)-influence

14.     Steely Gaze (G/R)-influence

15.     Trivial Knowledge (G/R)-bonus white

16.     Twisting Words (G/R)-bonus white and penalty black

17.     Winning Smile (G/R)-influence and being attacked delayed by one round

Lure of Power

18.     Bad/Good Witch Hunter–LoP- (R/G)-influence

19.     Berate/Belittle –LoP- ® bb- (G)b- stress + influence or reckless

20.     Blather –LoP- ®Pb (G)P-add 1p to opponent

21.     Bolster–LoP- (R/G)Pb –target increases shame threshold

22.     Bribery–LoP- (R/G) b- Influence on bribe

23.     Compose Yourself–LoP- (both)PP-Recover shame

24.     Crack a Joke –LoP- (R/G) b-modify stealth/skullduggery

25.     Don't you know who I work for? –LoP- (R/G)b-influence

26.     Feel for the Moment –LoP- (R/G)PPb-recharge other card & roleplay

27.     Flirt –LoP- ®bb(G)b-influence

28.     Impersonate-LoP ®PP-Guile(G)guile or social

29.     Incite/Calm down –LoP-®P-target reckless(G)target conservative

30.     Intuit Intention –LoP- (R/Gb-opponent gets penalty to guile

31.     Me First (R/G) Reaction interrupt

32.     Obfuscate/Elucidate –LoP- (R/G)P-influence

33.     Perfect Gift –LoP- (R/G)PP-influence

34.     Quip –LoP- (R/G)-reaction add 1 white to social

35.     Sage Advice –LoP- (R/G)-Add 1 white to social for target

36.     Sermon –LoP- (R/G)PP-Influence

37.     Skeleton in the Closet –LoP- ®P(G)-Influence

38.     Style and Grace –LoP- ®PP(G)Pb-bonus white to social

39.     Twist the Knife –LoP- (R/G)-target’s shame turns one to insanity

40.     Teller of Tales –LoP- (R/G)PP-influence

Black Fire Pass

41.     Litany of Grudges -BFP-Dwarf only- (G)PP(R4)-Influence on 1+

42.     Social Drinking –BFP- (G!)PP-influence on 3+-(R5)P-Influence on 1+

43.     Dwarf Stubbornness -BFP- Dwarf only (G4/R4)-/- =-Reaction bonus

Liber Fanatica #8 (pull-out section)

44.     Solemn Glance /Indignant Glare–LF8-(G)Pb®Pbb-Fel 2 white or purple

45.     Putting it As it Is/Verbal Fireworks–LF8- (G)PP®P-influence

46.     Debater/Trained Voice –LF8-(G/R)--enhance

47.     Look At'em Mommy's Boys! –LF8- (G)Pb®Pbb-Inspired

48.     Pulling the Plug/Tongue Lashing –LF8- (G/R)P-target move more neutral

49.     Scrimshank/Not Bothered –LF8- (G)P®Pb-guile or ignore

50.     Reading the Crowd/Chat'em up! –LF8- (G)bb®P-white to social

DLSS/Creature Guide

I’ll Make You Such A Deal-DLSS-move target one back to neutral add recharge

How Dare You Talk To Me Like That!-DLSS-bonus Fel and target penalty

Imperious manner-stress or cow

Pronouncements of doom-demoralize

Resist the lure **defense

 

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#23 Yepesnopes

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 07:29 PM

Nice list Emirikol, it may come handy.

Then, from your list and taking into account the NPC action cards, there is a total of 48 clearly Social or non combat oriented action card (although some can be used in combat, which is good).

For comparison, there is a total of 161 clearly Combat oriented action cards, and this is without taking into account NPC action cards neither spells (it may be that in my list there are a few NPC action cards like Whip strike and Death Volley, but no more than 3 or 4)… it is more than a factor 3.

As a side note, from this 161 cards, 41 come from the Support type, nearly as much as the Social type cards found under the Support type of cards.

 

Cheers,

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#24 Jicey

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 09:03 PM

Yepesnopes said:

D&D, D&D, D&D, D&D, D&D, D&D, D&D, D&D…

When the other rpgs were erased from your minds?

Just comparing what is comparable (in term of marketshare, in heroic fantasy setting) and using as reference something that a lot of people know.

Could have said Pathfinder (though Pathfinders adventures are munch less "encounter" driven).

But we are digressing from the topic.



#25 Yepesnopes

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:21 AM

Jicey said:

Just comparing what is comparable (in term of marketshare, in heroic fantasy setting) and using as reference something that a lot of people know.

Could have said Pathfinder (though Pathfinders adventures are munch less "encounter" driven).

 

 

 

 

I agree on that, of course D&D is well known.

The point I am trying to make clear here is that is not a fair comparation, actually I would say is not a good camparision at all.

It is like saying that Star Wars the Phantom Menace is a great movie because it is much more epic than Taxi Driver. Well, of course it is more epic!

D&D is a dungeon crawler oriented rpg. An rpg? Yes, but a dungeon crawler sort, like Dungeon World, or Dungeon Crawler Classics

Warhammer 3 (or any other of the editions) is not a dungeon crawler, the mechanics of the game will hardly suport a dungeon crawl type of scenario. Therefore, it must be compared with another type of rpgs. There are many fantasy themed rpgs out there which are not intended to be dungeon crawlers; very old ones like RuneQuest, Ars Magica or Rolemaster; or new ones like The One Ring, the Burning Wheel, Legends of Anglerre, The Legend of the Five Rings… Is with these kind of rpgs that Warhammer has to be compared with. In these games (and in many more) story is what matters.

Cheers,

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#26 gmanjkd

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:16 PM

Just think, at the rate that the pods are being released, 1 wiz, 1 priest, 1 Mic, every 3 months……(calculator keys clicking)….in only 4.25 years, we will have all of the Colleges and Cults expansions!!!  :-) lol



#27 Emirikol

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:14 AM

lol

 

It is certainly a sure-fire way for them to say that they are putting product out..as well as lose money on every-single-one because only a hard-core collector is going to purchase a bunch of over-specialized cards for wizards and priests.  The design model is that no other career can use those actions.  What are they going to put out next?   The special action cards for the Zoat?  (I didn't want to say Fimir, b/c I knew everybody would be "I'd be all over that!").

 

That would be an interesting release however.  They could do a From the Grave size release with the three kinds of fimir, special actions, a short bestiary paper entry/description.

 

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