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#21 Ixiguis

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:18 AM


 



"And I really don't get it why people are getting so nervous about it?"



 


Because I already spent over $500 in WFRP 3e products… if they have a new/revised edition coming, I hope it's at least compatible with 3e components.


 


 



#22 Doc, the Weasel

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:37 AM

Other than threads like these, there are no rumors of 4ed. It's a total forum fabrication.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:32 PM

Doc, the Weasel said:

Other than threads like these, there are no rumors of 4ed. It's a total forum fabrication.

Very true!

But consdering that FFG are not saying anything at all, and considering their previous form in this area with 2nd / 3rd edition, it cannot be surprising that these threads exist.

Personally I think, apart from the occassional POD, that WFRP is essentially dead as far as FFG are concerned. I suspect that they do not need to have WFRP for the license to be very profitable. We will probably only see something new when FFG gives up or loses the license, which won't be for a few years yet. Only GW, I suspect, could force something to happen and that will only happen if they are that bothered about WFRP. Depressing but true.



#24 LordoftheMilk

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

Actually, it isn't even a forum rumor.

It's a Beren Eoth rumor.

The dude is constantly chirping additional slander on 3e and suggesting a new edition looking like star wars.

Go away and play Star Wars Beren and stop disturbing this forum!

 

We are here to talk about 3e, not some underaged's wet dream.

 

Now if we could just get some dice and a simple announcement for the next couple boxes, we could put all the babies to bed and continue developing additional fan material.

 

TYVM

 

 



#25 AM_Odin

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:46 PM

Aside from the astonishing and ridiculous lack of dice for the game, I wouldn't be too quick to say FFG is not developing add-ons. Just to be sure I made a quick list (using publications dates listed on The Book Depoistory site). This is what has been published and when:

25 november 2009 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay
2 december 2009 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay Dice Set
21 december 2009 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: The Adventurer's Toolkit 

18 may 2010 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: The Gathering Storm
18 may 2010 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: Game Master's Toolkit
10 august 2010 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: The Winds of Magic
12 october 2010 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: The Edge of Night
7 decemmber 2010 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: Signs of Faith 

11 january 2011 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: Player's Guide
11 january 2011 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: Game Master's Guide
25 january 2011 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: The Creature Guide
11 january 2011 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: Player's Vault
11 january 2011 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: Game Master's Vault
25 january 2011 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: The Creature Vault
5 april 2011 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: The Witch's Song
27 december 2011 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: Omens of War 
 
10 january 2012 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: Black Fire Pass
10 january 2012 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: Lure of Power
12 june 2012 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: Hero's Call
4 december 2012 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: The Enemy Within 
 
That''s three products in 2009 (including the now missing dice). Five products in 2010. A huge glot of products in 2011 (although the vault/guide cominations should only count as one each. And four products last year. That is excluding the POD titles and the dice app that is only usable on Apple telephones and tablets. I wouldn't call that too shoddy, although I have to add that a lack of any january release this year is a bit odd, why not hold the complaints and the random rumormongering if they also miss a publication in may?


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:23 PM

LordoftheMilk said:

Actually, it isn't even a forum rumor.

It's a Beren Eoth rumor.

The dude is constantly chirping additional slander on 3e and suggesting a new edition looking like star wars.

Go away and play Star Wars Beren and stop disturbing this forum!

 

We are here to talk about 3e, not some underaged's wet dream.

 

Now if we could just get some dice and a simple announcement for the next couple boxes, we could put all the babies to bed and continue developing additional fan material.

 

TYVM

 

 

Actually he is not the only one by a long way. This has been going on ever since GENCON last year. I suggest using the word slander is both a bit strong and possibly legally actionable, so mind your language. You may not agree but he has every right to voice an opinion that is also had by others. FFG could put this all to bed very easily, but they choose not to, and I personally don't think they care enough to do so.



#27 LordoftheMilk

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:42 PM

Not legally actionable in this form.

Threads such as this one only hurt the game.

We should be promoting it if we love it, or stay away from here if we don't.

I am therefore asking Beren to leave, for I find his threads both offensive and non-constructive.

Right or wrong has nothing to do with it.

 



#28 Beren Eoath

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:30 AM

I will stay here and I'm going to write all my opinions. FFG should klnow what players think of there games. This rumour is not from me but it shows on fiorums all over the world from GenCon 2012. All of aus can say what they want and I just want to know what's FFG up to. I'm not a 3e hater or any other such thing. I've played WFRP 3e from the oment it come out and liked it but now I'm  disapointed by the FFG policy. Other RPG that will have anything in 2Q 2013 got there announcements and WFRP got nothing. If the rumour is true then I would like to know it if not then why we don't get any new products? Those are the questions that need anwsers. That's why I started this treat to let FFG know that players still want this game to expande by new products on this or a new edition.

Every year WFRP is getting fever expansions. In 2011 we got Guides & Vaults and that does not count - those were reprints from other previous expansions and did not give nothing new. Some one sauid that this game could be ending not by a new edition from FFG but with the drop of the licence and I just hpe that this will not happen. I want WFRP to stay and expande and I don't care wich edition will it be - 3e, 3.5 e or 4 e. I just want to have more new products that will bring more information about the universe and that will give me more options to play.

I really believe that if FFG would do a new/revised edition with backward compatibility players would get new products, maybe even some fans of 1e or 2e would come back to this game.

So I'm here to show FFG that we still want to play WFRP and I just want to get some news or annoucements. For me the worst scenario would be the end of  WFRP from FFG and the news that they droped the licence. I'm a huge fan of Warhammer Fantasy and as a fan I want to see more great products comming that will make my game bigger and better.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:50 AM

LordoftheMilk said:

I am therefore asking Beren to leave, for I find his threads both offensive and non-constructive.

Right or wrong has nothing to do with it.

 

If you do not like free speech I suggest you go to North Korea. I may not agree with everything he says but I defend his right to say it. If FFG are OK with him to continue, then I suggest you leave well alone and avoid reading any of his entries, if they offend you so much. Not too difficult a task I would say. 

There are a number of people on this forum who care very much about WFRP, whatever edition, and over the years have done much for it including third edition. These people also share Beren's at leat some of worries and speculations, at least partlly because they would like to know whether they are writing fan material for an edition that has a future.

If you want to have a go at anybody, I sggest you have a go at FFG over what is happening with the dice. Without those nobody who buys just the books can play the game. And not everybody wants to get a smartphone, just so that they can use the dice app. it might be a more constructive use of your time.



#30 LordoftheMilk

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:54 AM

This forum is about the existing game: WFRP 3e.

 

If you want to express desideratas about another game (like a new edition or some such), go and post them elsewhere.

 

In any case, I do not believe that your strong statements indicating that 3 e is dead or that a new edition is foreshadowed are anything but unfounded rubbish, and it only creates disorientation to newcomers.

 

I, for one, would like newcomers to the game to find in this forum to find what they need to enhance their gaming experience. Not throw them away from the game before they even purchase in it.

 

If you continue on your stance, I shall continue to point out how completely inappropriate to your goals (if supporting FFG's license it is) your behaviour is.

 

 



#31 LordoftheMilk

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:59 AM

I am very happy that you are allowed to continue to express your discontent on whatever you wish.

 

I would be even happier if you went off and expressed it elsewhere.

 

I personally express my own discontent on destructive behaviour, which I believe this thread is, on this forum.

 

 



#32 ragnar63

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 02:06 AM

Fine, but I coud make the same suggestion to you. I support 3rd edition, I have written 3rd edition fan material and am presently writing large amount of fan material that is useable by both 2nd and 3rd edition. I and many others feel that the inability to get enough dice for the game among other things is a bigger detriment to the game than anything we say here.

Until FFG gives us some answers we will keep asking the questions



#33 Beren Eoath

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 02:47 AM

This forum is foreveryone to say how they feel about this game and I feel that it does not get enough support from FFG. There are very few newcomers  and there will be less of them if FFG will do nothing about it. They should do something to bring WFRP back to it's glory. I want new products and I don't care if it will be 3e , 3.5 e or 4e - I just want that they expanse the universum of WFRP.

I know that some may not like the idea of a new/revised edition but it the law of the market, a game that is not selling well always ends. Remeber what happened to WFRP 2e? Fans of 2e also did not liked that the 3e is comming but it's not up to those few rude persons to say if a new editions will come ort not. If FFG says we need more money so lets make a new.revsed editon to sell more and get fack fans of prevoius editions then they weill do that. Fo me the casde is that WFRP should get more love from the publisher that's all.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:39 AM

If you want more content for the game, why are you advocating a new edition?

A new edition would only cause the republishing of already existing content in one form or another.

Let's just lobby for more content. And a reissue of the dice packs.



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:43 AM

Of course I will find it a bit sad once FFG discontinues this system, but I am pleased with what FFG has produced so far.

I believe that it is a good baseline for me and my friends to produce adventures for many years to come.

If I ever need more fluff, I can find 2nd edition books or dust off my 1st edition tome.

I can create my own material thanks to Fan contributions and free software like Strange Eons (or me not being lazy and doing a bit of work in Photoshop).

My only hope is that if they make a new edition, they include a "conversion kit" or something for us 3rd ed players. That would be pretty sweet.

 



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 04:33 AM

LordoftheMilk said:

If you want more content for the game, why are you advocating a new edition?

A new edition would only cause the republishing of already existing content in one form or another.

Unfortunately it is a rule of thumb with WFRP and many other systems that it is the Rulebook and other books likes the magic ones which sell well. Adventures are always lousy sellers because (hopefully) only the GM buys them. Many setting or fluff books are also the same unfortunately. If a line has not been selling brilliantly and the fact that FFG are off loading the Core rules cheap is not a good sign, then further 'fluff' supplements are a non starter. 3rd Edition is a bold experiment but if it has not been making enough money, and the production costs are high, then FFG have two choices really. The first is to let WFRP die or the second is a new edition. Also the fact that freelancers who have successfully written for 3rd edition have not been asked to write anything for nearly 18 months and playtesters nothing to playtest, suggests that there is very little going on with WFRP. My guess, and it is just that, is that until the Star Wars RPG is finished in 2015 we will see virtually nothing but POD's, if that. I hope I am wrong, but the signs are not good.



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:32 AM

They managed to it wrong on both accounts after jL left.  Players don't want to have to buy the core set (which is the only way to get dice) and that's $60, hence only the GM buys the core.  PLUS, only the GM is going to buy the other sets.

 

The players guide would be great if you could buy dice.

 

..oh..and there's this:  http://rpggeek.com/a...550012#11550012

 

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:26 AM

I think this is one of those "guys chill out" moments. If you look at the upcoming page you will see that there is 3 starwars products (one being dice) and 3 other products slated for 2013, by this logic it would mean that FFG is either overhauling all of it's games or are going to stop producing rpgs alltogether. I doubt that is the case considering how much longer they have the WFRPG/40K liscences with GW and how much star wars must have cost them.

I think we will see a lot more big POD's alá "From the Grave" (which btw doesn't include Amethyst magic, I need that dammit :P). I would be very surprised if we didn't get an elf and/or an empire box this year, with a bretonnia and a kislev coming. As for the dice, they will come back, until then I suggest the app, it's decent.

 

That said I would love to see a reviced players guide etc that takes "Lure of Power" and "Omens of War" into account so I can run a base game away from home without having to haul all the chits and tokens with me (I love them, but transport is an issue).



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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:10 AM

I would love to see that WFRP would explore more of the Old World like UnkleArkie said Bretonnia and Kislev would be great. Of course I wouldn't mined something more for elves. And I really miss a good Empire box with all the stuff like Sigmar's Heirs for 2e had - something similar for 3e would ge great to see.

Besides this does anyone know who now is the leading designer for WFRP? First was Jay Little then Daniel Lovat Clark, and now? Who's in charge of the line?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:54 AM

IF (big if) Fantasy Flight decide (or have decided) to revamp WFRP for a 3.4/4th edition, my only hope is for at least 80% backwards compatibility. If they do away with or replace/tweak some of the components, I'd be happy with stuff like Party Sheets & Nemesis Sheets going away, but Gods forbid they change anything like the dice or Action Cards!

I'd personally love to see a revised Core Rulebook (ala Edge of the Empire) that includes all material from the various expansions (Winds of Magic through Hero's Call), plus the streamlined examples from the Player's Guide. I'd also love to see a GM's Guide get similar treatment, with perhaps some random tables for generating adventures/plots and the like.

If the component bloat is too much for some people, and perhaps too expensive for FF to continue dishing out with every new release, they could go with making all the cards, chits, and the like into POD. Or make it all into optional "Vaults".






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