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#21 GM Chris

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:13 AM

Okay… so now I'm totally convinced.  Also, I was emailing Jay Little last night, and asked him (regarding the 10 xp per session guideline), how long he envisioned a "session" to be.  His response?  About 4 hours.

 

So there you go.

 

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#22 gribble

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 10:46 AM

GM Chris said:

 

So what's the problem?  What's the solution?

Clearly, the Edge designers either intended for character advancement to be MUCH slower than in Saga; or they don't consider character power levels to be as high as they do in Saga.  (Either option is probably, though I tend to side with Option 2, considering everything we've seen.)

Any thoughts on this rambling of bad math, poor assumptions, and unsanwered questions, guys???

 

 

I think the problem is that you're falling into the trap of thinking that 1 XP at 1st level and 1 XP at 20th level are equivalent in Saga Edition.

The spine of the d20 system (which Saga is based on), assumes 3 encounters per session, 4 sessions, equals a level. XP progression in Saga is non-linear, meaning that XP values for opponents, and to achieve the next level, increase as level increases. I.e.: at 1st level, your character will earn maybe 200-300 XP per session. At higher level, you'll be earning thousands of XP per session.

EotE on the other had has a flat (linear) progression - regardless of how much XP your character has, they will usually only be earning 10-15 XP per session.

Given that, I think the only way to really compare the characters is to break it down by number of sessions played. So a 5th level Saga PC, with the assumed rate of progression, will have played roughly 4 (number of levels gained) x 4 (assumed number of sessions per level) - 16 sessions. An equivalent EotE character will have earned 160-240 (average 200) XP during that same amount of play time. Obviously, if you have more or less encounters than the asumed default per level in Saga you'll have to tweak those numbers, but it's encouraging to see that it's bang on what people say "feels" right in play.

Note this means your average 20th level Saga PC is equivalent to 19 x 4 = 76 sessions of play, or 760-1140 (average 950) XP in EotE, and gives us the following tables of equivalence:

Saga Level; Saga XP; Average Edge XP
1; 0; 0
2; 1000; 50
3; 3000; 100
4; 6000; 150
5; 10000; 200
6; 15000; 250
7; 21000; 300
8; 28000; 350
9; 36000; 400
10; 45000; 450
11; 55000; 500
12; 66000; 550
13; 78000; 600
14; 91000; 650
15; 105000; 700
16; 120000; 750
17; 136000; 800
18; 153000; 850
19; 171000; 900
20; 190000+; 950+

I.e.: 50 XP per level gained (above 1)

 

 

 


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#23 darkrose50

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:47 AM

Award them 12 experience per session played.  In my experience this ends up being every 3 sessions or so.  I would think 150 (round up from 144) points would be reasonable. 



#24 EngageEight

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:25 AM

Darnit, for a second i thought this thread was about converting saga players but no such luck haha.



#25 GM Chris

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:08 AM

EngageEight said:

Darnit, for a second i thought this thread was about converting saga players but no such luck haha.

 

Force them to prep for and GM a 6-hour Saga game with 4 encounters, for a 6-person party of level 12 or higher characters.  That might do it.


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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:31 AM

Sounds good. And I will remind them that they can't use Threats of the Galaxy since it is more errors than accuracy.



#27 DarthGM

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:14 AM

GM Chris said:

EngageEight said:

 

Darnit, for a second i thought this thread was about converting saga players but no such luck haha.

 

 

 

Force them to prep for and GM a 6-hour Saga game with 4 encounters, for a 6-person party of level 12 or higher characters.  That might do it.

 

Where's the +1 button…?

 

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#28 willmanx

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 10:04 AM

We played around 60 4h sessions to go through the Saga Campaign Dawn Of Defiance, from level 1 to level 17.

 

Trying to convert that to 15xp per session and dividing by the number of levels gives 50xp per level,

 

(15 x 60)/17 = 900/17 = around 50

 

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 12:02 PM

4 hours per session?  Man, I am fortunate if I get 2 hours per session... Jealous.


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#30 willmanx

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:03 AM

4 hours per session?  Man, I am fortunate if I get 2 hours per session... Jealous.

 

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