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#1 Skie

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 12:36 PM

So I've been wondering - from the films we get the impression that the whole Rebellion consists of perhaps several thousand people - we actually see only a handful. Sure, I know the films follow the heroes' story but...

 

To crew a capital ship (a Nebulon, since they're main capitals in the Alliance) you need 900 beings, even if we assume that it's not fully crewed (2 shifts instead of 3) that gives around 600 per ship. MC-90s need thousands, plus the troops, tech personel etc. How can you recruit so many without alerting the Empire?

 

That brings my next question - how can Rebel planets stay rebellious. I do understand there aren't enough ships in the Galaxy to guard every planet (that's why the Emperor needed the Death Star) but still - if a planet tries to shake the yoke, those Star Destroyers will eventually come... 

I'm asking these question since I'm not that well versed in the SW theory ;) and I'm genuinely curious, especially about recruitment process that produces so many rebels. Thanks for contributing! 



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 01:17 PM

That brings my next question - how can Rebel planets stay rebellious. I do understand there aren't enough ships in the Galaxy to guard every planet (that's why the Emperor needed the Death Star) but still - if a planet tries to shake the yoke, those Star Destroyers will eventually come... 
I'm asking these question since I'm not that well versed in the SW theory ;) and I'm genuinely curious, especially about recruitment process that produces so many rebels. Thanks for contributing!

The AoR Core covers this a bit, in the sections about The Galaxy and The Rebellion, but the short version is that the Galaxy is huge, and the Empire cannot be everywhere. On the Core Worlds, a Rebel-to-be might have to carefully seek out like-minded beings in the underground, and risk being caught in an Imperial sting operation. On some Outer Rim planets, the Alliance might open a recruiting booth, and then be gone by the time the next Imperial patrol comes through. Further, planets can be pro-Alliance, while their government is (or claims to be) loyal to the Empire.

As for only ever seeing a few thousand Rebels in the films, Legends has long explained that as being part of Alliance military doctrine. As a guerilla force, they keep their forces separated most of the time, so that even if one part falls (like Echo Base), the rest can carry on. The films only focus on the part with the heroes.
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Posted 01 September 2014 - 01:27 PM

It's a question of perspective.

There are several planets in the SW universe (especially the Legends EU) that have a far higher population than our current earth. We still have warbands in the size of hundreds of people that manage to avoid detection (for some time),

with millions of sectors, tens of thousands of planets, thousands of colonies ... if one colonie with over 10.000 people decides to go rogue and take what they can get from the Planetary Security Forces that can be quite something.

And then there are cases of a complete ship to go rogue.

 

Ultimatly it comes down to numbers.

1 System with 3 habitated planets/colonies each harboring 1 billion people in average ... let's say 1 in every ten thousand is fed up with the Empire ... 3.000.000.000 / 10.000 = 300.000

if just 1 percent of those goes and take up arms  it would be 3.000 people.

Now put a little pressure on that system, so that more people are fed up or take up arms.

The numbers just go up.

 

And planets with a billion or more sapient beings are not rare.

Then you add the ones in the Mid and Outer Rim where Imperial presence is scarce.

Plus the ones that are in open rebellion.

 

Compare that to how difficult it is to get a traveling arrangement to hop around the galaxy? 80k Credits and up, sound scomparable to a high-end car or half a one-familiy house.

 

It seems harder to get your rebels on a warship to steal.


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 02:16 PM

That brings my next question - how can Rebel planets stay rebellious. I do understand there aren't enough ships in the Galaxy to guard every planet (that's why the Emperor needed the Death Star) but still - if a planet tries to shake the yoke, those Star Destroyers will eventually come... 
I'm asking these question since I'm not that well versed in the SW theory ;) and I'm genuinely curious, especially about recruitment process that produces so many rebels. Thanks for contributing!

I'm generally loathe to bring Real World PoliticsTM into rpg message board discussions, but...

 

 

In the real world Saudi Arabia "secretly" funds and supplies Al Qaeda (by this I mean individual people living in Saudi Arabia) even though ostensibly the Saudi are friends with America.  There is little to nothing America can do (not being a) an evil Empire and b) the sole great power in the world) aside from asking their government nicely to stop doing this.

 

A Star Wars version would be Alderaan secretly funds and supplies the Rebellion even though Alderaan is peaceful and a member of the Empire (and mostly depowered Galactic Senate).

 

Though only Alderaan is destroyed for this, undoubtedly many, many more worlds secretly fund, supply, train, and probably house the Rebellion.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 04:00 PM

Though only Alderaan is destroyed for this, undoubtedly many, many more worlds secretly fund, supply, train, and probably house the Rebellion.

 


And while Star Destroyers can still make a planet uninhabitable through massive bombardment, the Empire is probably hesitant to do so now, as each atrocity just pushes more worlds into open rebellion.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 05:38 PM

And there are very few openly Alliance allied worlds. Dac, and its sector which has enough of a defense force to hold its own against any force the Empire can afford to send to attack it, and Imperial fears of other worlds revolting if an attack were launched and the attack force was repelled keep the Imps away from Mon Cal space for the most part, Plus I wouldn't be surprised if some of the few worlds and regions of known space that were never part of the Republic or Empire have managed to resist Imperial takeover attempts are openly allied with the Alliance though many probably stick to clandestine support to avoid becoming higher priority targets.

 

I wonder if Contruum openly supports the Alliance or just does so covertly? (In Legends Contruum's guerrilla forces and militia managed to inflict enough damage that the local Moff decided the planet wasn't worth the trouble to hold and pulled the Imperial forces off world. If I were in the Moff's shoes I would be trying to avoid letting the Empire realize that Contruum isn't under Imperial control and I imagine Contruum's government would be fine with the Empire thinking Contruum is under the Empire's thumb while its really free.)


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 09:44 PM

If you look at the Galaxy section of the rules, only a small portion of the inhabited worlds are part of the Empire.


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 11:17 PM

What RogueCorona said.  While there are many sympathetic planets and sectors, few can formally declare their allegiance to the Alliance.  Even the Mon Calamari technically declared "neutrality" after their revolution.  It was an obvious lie to anyone with half a brain, but allowed the Empire to save face while preserving the planet's shipyards for the Alliance.

 

This is the pattern from the early days of the Rebellion up until the Battle of Endor, really.  Only after the Emperor's death could the Alliance formally liberate planets, as the various warlords who succeeded him tore the fleet apart with their power struggles, and no individual Imperial could muster the forces necessary to go on the offensive against the Alliance for long.



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:35 AM

Eye-openers, the posts above, are :). I knew there were regions of the Galaxy that were outside the Empire- like the Hutt space, but I've always thought the Empire was everywhere (I guess their propaganda was successful with me!) else, essentially every world under occupation. 

And yes, I was wondering about Dac - how they can be free and why hasn't the Emperor sent his fleets to pulverize the sector? Once again - I see the reason for the Death Star.

But now the Civil War and its scale make more sense and are more reasonable for me - so thanks for claryfing it for me.



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 04:18 AM

And while Star Destroyers can still make a planet uninhabitable through massive bombardment, the Empire is probably hesitant to do so now, as each atrocity just pushes more worlds into open rebellion.

And - more importantly - the planet doesn't pay taxes anymore.


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 04:36 PM

And - more importantly - the planet doesn't pay taxes anymore.

Also... Tarkin may have bit just a wee power mad. Just a wee bit.
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Posted 02 September 2014 - 04:42 PM

Tarkin gets his own novel soon enough. I'm interested in seeing him fleshed out a bit.


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 05:43 PM

 

And - more importantly - the planet doesn't pay taxes anymore.

Also... Tarkin may have bit just a wee power mad. Just a wee bit.

 

 

 

That's an understatement. Only an utter madman would use a strategic weapon like a planet killer on a populated world during an internal conflict like a civil war. And that's completely discounting any moral or ethical issues from its use. Can you imagine the results if the Death St was turned on the homeworld of some of its engineering personnel? Bye, bye Death Star. Plus using it on one world will leave the leaders and populations of some otherwise loyal worlds thinking the Empire and its Death Star need to be done away with before the Death Star gets turned on them!






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