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#21 RogueCorona

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 11:40 PM

No its you go too close to a Mass shadow, or an Interdictor which generates a false mass shadow and the hyperdrive's safety system is supposed to drop you out a safe distance from the mass shadow because if your ship actually flies into the shadow it will badly damage or destroy the ship depending on what is generating he mass shadow.

 

Lets say there is a star generating a mass shadow at section B2. Your ship  is flying through hyperspace on a course that would take it from B9 to B1.Normally the ship's sensors will pick the mass up and the safety system will drop you out at B3 but some people disable those safeties. And if they fly into B2 while still in hyperspace very, very bad things will happen to their ship



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 11:49 PM

 

Hedge, that is assuming people actually FLY through hyperspace actively, which would open up human error at super high speed. Humans couldn't even podrace, but they could actively guide a ship through hyperspace? And what exactly are you doing with the navicomputer if you are steering anyway?

 

You aren't flying the ship with a joystick, the navicomputer is doing the actual flying and collision avoidance.

 

No, I think hyperspace is something that gets pre-programmed in, set, jumped, and the ride itself is wholly automated. 

 

You have to be able to explain how Obi Wan follows Jango in AotC. Obi Wan had to enter hyperspace without knowing Jango's final destination.

 

Obi-wan Stuck a tracer beacon on Jango's ship after their fight. It is also possible that the beacon is able to determine the probability of a destination quickly, or do so through analytics crunched after the data is sent elsewhere (Jedi Temple), or by slicing the astrogation computer wirelessly? This would be similar to what Fett does to the Falcon, arriving at Cloud City BEFORE Han Solo does, to set a trap. Taking a vector and extrapolating a likely destination seems perfectly reasonable.

 

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The other alternative here is that Obi-Wan jumps after him, and is making course corrections on the fly to follow Jango? That would create a situation that makes you question why the Falcon wasn't followed into hyperspace when leaving Tatooine by some sort of armed shuttle or gunboat with a hyperdrive, if they could simply jump after it. If that threat is real, why would the death star escapees on the falcon rest immediately once they jumped into hyperspace? Wouldn't they still have to be on guard? For that matter, why wouldn't Imperial's deploy tracking ships to follow the Rebel transports after Hoth?


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:14 AM

For the Tantivie IV being followed by the Devastator, and Obi-wan following Jango.  Both had the aid of tracking devices.  There is nothing that says the beacons could work and transmit while in hyperspace.  Which would allow another ship to follow the beacon, but at a certain point you would know where they were headed, and just let the Navicomp take you the rest of the way and not worry about the beacon

 

For Boba Fett getting to Bespin, it think it had to be more of a case of "where is the falcon headed" and then since the Falcons main hyperdrive is out, it is easy to jump ahead and let vader know, and set up a trap.  Supposedly, by some accounts, it took The M.Falcon a few months to get to Bespin.  There is no frame of reference whether or not they went sublight, or used a backup hyperdrive


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 08:17 AM

Isn't the Straw Wars Science: You are in hyperspace and go too close to a mass you drop out of hyperspace?

 

In TCW S1E4 a ship in hyperspace crashes right into a planet. Also, in S1E13, a ship enters hyperspace inside the atmosphere of a planet then later (their navicomputer was damaged) is about to crash into a star. The ship has to cut off all power to exit hyperspace. So, it appears to me that being dragged out of hyperspace due to a mass shadow has been retconned away. However, in that same episode, the ship was able to detect the star far in advanced of crashing into it, so should have been able to avoid it if their navicomputer was working. 

 

 

Taking a vector and extrapolating a likely destination seems perfectly reasonable.

 

Except Obi Wan exits hyperspace in the exact same spot that Jango did. He couldn't have predicted that. 

 

That would create a situation that makes you question why the Falcon wasn't followed into hyperspace when leaving Tatooine by some sort of armed shuttle or gunboat with a hyperdrive,

 

The Falcon was followed into hyperspace. However, since the Falcon didn't have a homing device on it, the Star Destroyers had to follow closely, allowing Han to realize he was being chased and evade/outrun them. Hence the line, "I told you I'd outrun them." 

 

if they could simply jump after it. If that threat is real, why would the death star escapees on the falcon rest immediately once they jumped into hyperspace? Wouldn't they still have to be on guard? For that matter, why wouldn't Imperial's deploy tracking ships to follow the Rebel transports after Hoth?

 

Leia knew they were being tracked yet still let them straight to the base. 

 

As far as Hoth goes, I don't think the transports went straight to the rendezvous (at least according to the Tie Fighter game :) ). However, any tracking ship would have had to been powerful enough to defeat the two X-Wings escorting the transport. If the X-Wings detected that they were being followed, they'd drop out of hyperspace and fight their pursuers. 


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 08:23 AM

For the Tantivie IV being followed by the Devastator, and Obi-wan following Jango.  Both had the aid of tracking devices.  There is nothing that says the beacons could work and transmit while in hyperspace.  Which would allow another ship to follow the beacon, but at a certain point you would know where they were headed, and just let the Navicomp take you the rest of the way and not worry about the beacon

 

Except the Tantive IV changed course while in hyperspace (radio drama episode 3). If the homing device didn't work in hyperspace, the Devastator would have ended up at the wrong place. 



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:00 AM

I always loved the fact that Leia says "Our escape was too easy. They're clearly tracking us. So anyway, here are the coordinates to the super-secret Rebel base, let's go there immediately!"

 

I understand she didn't have a lot of options at that point, but it's still kinda funny :)


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 04:15 PM

Except Obi Wan exits hyperspace in the exact same spot that Jango did. He couldn't have predicted that.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 12:21 AM

I'm not a huge Star Wars buff, but from what I understand - objects that are too small to cast a significant mass shadow do not effect hyperspace travel. Even aside from that, hyperspace lanes are huge - the odds of two ships being in the same space at the same time are so remote that they're practically impossible. 

I'd bet that the far greater, but still mathematically remote, possibility of a collision occurs when the ship is accelerating/decelerating to/from hyperspace, in the immediate orbit of a planet. Even still, you could fit 12,700 Star Destroyers side-by-side across the Earth's diameter. Even if hundreds of large ships are arriving every hour, the odds of them colliding are extremely remote.



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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:31 PM

I'm not a huge Star Wars buff, but from what I understand - objects that are too small to cast a significant mass shadow do not effect hyperspace travel. Even aside from that, hyperspace lanes are huge - the odds of two ships being in the same space at the same time are so remote that they're practically impossible. 

I'd bet that the far greater, but still mathematically remote, possibility of a collision occurs when the ship is accelerating/decelerating to/from hyperspace, in the immediate orbit of a planet. Even still, you could fit 12,700 Star Destroyers side-by-side across the Earth's diameter. Even if hundreds of large ships are arriving every hour, the odds of them colliding are extremely remote.

 

There's actually a scene in the preview of the upcoming Luke Skywalker novel where a Star Destroyer comes out of hyperspace right on the inner edge of a solar system's designated safe hyperspace drop out zone and has the equivalent of a fender bender with a freighter that is part of an outbound convoy as it decelerates.

 

 

 

Isn't the Straw Wars Science: You are in hyperspace and go too close to a mass you drop out of hyperspace?

 

In TCW S1E4 a ship in hyperspace crashes right into a planet. Also, in S1E13, a ship enters hyperspace inside the atmosphere of a planet then later (their navicomputer was damaged) is about to crash into a star. The ship has to cut off all power to exit hyperspace. So, it appears to me that being dragged out of hyperspace due to a mass shadow has been retconned away. However, in that same episode, the ship was able to detect the star far in advanced of crashing into it, so should have been able to avoid it if their navicomputer was working. 

 

 

Taking a vector and extrapolating a likely destination seems perfectly reasonable.

 

Except Obi Wan exits hyperspace in the exact same spot that Jango did. He couldn't have predicted that. 

 

That would create a situation that makes you question why the Falcon wasn't followed into hyperspace when leaving Tatooine by some sort of armed shuttle or gunboat with a hyperdrive,

 

The Falcon was followed into hyperspace. However, since the Falcon didn't have a homing device on it, the Star Destroyers had to follow closely, allowing Han to realize he was being chased and evade/outrun them. Hence the line, "I told you I'd outrun them." 

 

 

1  As I mentioned before there is nothing preventing a ship from traveling through Hyperspace in a mass shadow. However there is a safety system built into hyperdrive and nav systems that usually prevent such activities.

 

The Malevolence's Nav system had been sabotaged and reasonably disabling the safety would have been part of that sabotage. The Consular had been damaged so its not unlikely that the safeties had been disabled on it as well.

 

2: Perhaps the courses of Slave One and Kenobi's Delta-7 were plotted to point at Genonosis then they just let the safeties pull the ships out when they got too close to the planet's mass shadow.or that of the star. Legends/EU implies that this isn't an uncommon means of plotting hyperspace jumps to systems.

 

3: Nothing in the movie confirms that the Falcon was followed into hyperspace. Yes Han mentions losing the Imperial ships but that could just as easily refer to having escaped the Star Destroyers by jumping to hyperspace. And I know that he stayed in the cockpit for a while after the jump but A: Perhaps rather then jumping straight for Alderaan he jumped to a waypoint either seeking to shake off any pursuers, or just because the course to the waypoint was simpler and thus faster to plot then a direct route to Alderaan. or B: He was concerned about the possibility of Interdictors being deployed to cut their route off and said that after he felt that they were a safe distance away from any likely points for such craft to be deployed.



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Posted 03 September 2014 - 09:15 PM

On the same episode S1E13, after the 'tantive'-like ship jumps the Gal. order a trooper to "Plot every course along their trajectory" reinforcing the idea that they cannot pinpoint something in hyperspace and use prediction to determinate the destiny.

 

Also, on othe note of collisions jumping in/out of hyperspace, on the 2D clone wars animation, during a scene of the Battle over Coruscant you can see a republic star destroyer coming out of hyperspace and ramming a CIS command ship.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 09:25 PM

Of course you know... the real question is why would you want ships to be able to collide in hyperspace? How will this tell a better story?



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Posted 03 September 2014 - 11:17 PM

Of course you know... the real question is why would you want ships to be able to collide in hyperspace? How will this tell a better story?

 

 

Yeah honestly all I can think allowing such a thing to happen could add to the story is a way to make a ship or ships disappear in a way that tey can never ever be found, or killing off the party, or perhaps some allies of the party en masse with no way for the PCs to prevent it.






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