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#1 Darth Ruin

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:13 PM

Fat Falcons have ruined the small ship meta; when 6 out of 8 top lists at any given tournament and 25-30% of the player base are carbon copies of the same silly Falcon build utterly killing diversity it's time we had some action from FFG. 

 

I vote that C3P0's text be errata'd to Huge Ship Only. 


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#2 Julio

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:16 PM

They do not have ruined anything, and it is easy enough to develop lists countering that, which will significantly decrease the use of Fat Falcons down the road. And, C3P0 is good, but not THAT good, since it only works ONCE per round. Therefore, if you have a swarm as an opponent for example, C3P0 will not change much. 

 

Bottom line: it does not need to be banned and is not OP in any way.


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:16 PM

And I thought today was going to be a slow day on the boards...

 

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:18 PM

And correct me if I am wrong... but its a guess??? You guess first and if you're right you get an extra... am I missing something here about the sooopa OP 3PO lol?


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:19 PM

This one again?  So after we ban C3P0 and Advanced Cloaking Devices, where will that put us?


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:20 PM

if you guess 0, you either get your natural evade and not c3po's, or you get c3po's. Combined with falcon title thats 2 100% evades per turn.


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:20 PM

No.


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#8 JFunk

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:21 PM

The sky is falling... again?


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:22 PM

if you guess 0, you either get your natural evade and not c3po's, or you get c3po's. Combined with falcon title thats 2 100% evades per turn.

 

Ok this makes more sense to me... but as stated above if you're facing Howl with a bunch of TIEs thats 14 shots coming at you, some of which will get to re-roll a miss... yeah don't see that as being OP.


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Imp: 8 TIE Fighters, 4 TIE Bombers, 12 TIE Interceptors, 3 TIE Advanced, 4 TIE Phantoms, 3 TIE Defenders, 1 Lambda Shuttle, 2 Firesprays
Reb: 3 A-Wings, 3 B-Wing, 6 X-Wings, 3 Y-Wings, 3 E-Wings, 2 HWK-290, 5 Z-95s, 1 YT-1300, 1 GR-75


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:22 PM

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OMG everything is so OP, we should just ban all ships and upgrades and to make it fair we can all just play as asteroids.


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#11 RogueLieutenant

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:25 PM

OMG everything is so OP, we should just ban all ships and upgrades and to make it fair we can all just play as asteroids.

Exogorth OP


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#12 RogueLieutenant

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:26 PM

3PO isn't much use on huge ships though is he? Since it'd only happen if being shot at at range 3 or through an asteroid right? 

 

P.S. no need to ban anything. 


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#13 nikk whyte

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:30 PM

Also, we held a pre-rebel aces store tourney in north atlanta yesterday. I believe I only saw 2 falcon lists, out of 20 total players.
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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:31 PM

Rock - TIE Swarm
Paper - TIE Phantom
Scissors - Fat Falcons w/3P0 and MF title

3P0 is good, but had some hard counters, just like TIE Phantoms do, just like Swarms do...


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:34 PM

I've suggested two possible fixes in other threads but I'll post them again here.

 

1) Can't guess 0 for evades

2) Can't be used on a ship with MF title

 

The second option doesn't make much sense lore wise, so option 1 is probably better. 


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IMPERIAL: 1 Advanced, 1 Bomber, 2 Defenders, 3 Fighters, 3 Interceptors, 1 Phantom, 2 Firesprays, 1 Shuttle

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:41 PM

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Fat Falcons have ruined the small ship meta; when 6 out of 8 top lists at any given tournament and 25-30% of the player base are carbon copies of the same silly Falcon build utterly killing diversity it's time we had some action from FFG. 
 
I vote that C3P0's text be errata'd to Huge Ship Only.


You know, I'm trying to construct a logical response to this, but I'm tired and grumpy and I just can't. Maybe we could we all just agree that I composed some lengthy post explaining in detail why this is crazy, and proceed on that basis?
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#17 Sithborg

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:44 PM

Because the only thing better than banning a card is errata'ing it into near uselessness.


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#18 Darth Ruin

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:44 PM

Why is it crazy? Do you have some vested interest in playing only two lists ever in tournaments, Fat Han/ Phantom Miniswarm? 



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:45 PM

I would prefer it to be changed to 1 or more dice not when rolling more than 0 dice.  But putting it on a huge ship is nearly useless because they can roll 0 dice unless at range 3+ against primary attacks



#20 Blail Blerg

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:45 PM

The problem is that both of those lists are massive extremes and winning one might mean losing to the other.


Here's a question. Who actually can fight a phantom with a suboptimal build against it? What build did you use (and why it's bad against the phantom)? And how did you fly to overcome that?
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